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The worlds first riddle!

 
 
DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 01:39 pm
MIDAS:
I get coins divided equally at least through room 930 (Excel started complaining after that).

Solution:
Let number of rooms = x
Let number of coins = y
y=x^3 (number of rooms times boxes per room times coins per box)
The number of coins after one box removed for the barber: x^3-x.
If x^3-x modulo 6=0 then coins are divided equally among the six sons.

Example:

1. If # of rooms = 5 then total coins=125 (5 rooms, each with 5 boxes, each with 5 coins).
2. Removing one box results in 120 coins.
3. Each son gets 20 coins.
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markr
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 01:57 pm
MIDAS
Yep. I misread 'one box to the barber' as 'one coin to the barber.'

X^3 mod 6 = X Therefore, X^3-X mod 6 = 0.

A fair division is always possible.

FARMER
36 days
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 04:34 am
As promised:

The Question: How much was left of the small snowball, when half of the volume of the large snowball had melted?

Solution to: Melting Snowballs
Let r1(t) be the radius of the smallest ball (ball 1) at time t.
Let r2(t) de the radius of the largest ball (ball 2) at time t.
Let r0 = r1(0).
Then holds r2(0) = 2 × r0. The surface Ai(t) of ball i at time t is equal to
4 × pi × (ri(t))2 and the volume Vi(t) of ball i at time t is equal to
4/3 × pi × (ri(t))3.
Then holds:
d Vi(t) / dt = - k × Ai(t)
so
d [4/3 × pi × (ri(t))3] / dt = - k × [4 × pi × (ri(t))2]
for a certain melting factor k independent of i. This gives
4 × pi × (ri(t))2 × [d ri(t) / dt] = - k × 4 × pi × (ri(t))2
so
[d ri(t) / dt] = - k
and
ri(t) = ri(0) - k × t.
Suppose that at time th half of the volume of ball 2 has melted, then
4/3 × pi × (r2(th))3 = 0.5 × 4/3 × pi × (r2(0))3
so
(r2(th))3 = 0.5 × (r2(0))3
and
(2 × r0 - k × th)3 = 4 × (r0)3.
Then holds:
k × th = 2 × r0 - 4(1/3) × r0.
At that time th holds for the small ball (ball 1):
r1(th) = r0 - k × th
= r0 - (2 × r0 - 4(1/3) × r0)
= 4(1/3) × r0 - r0
= (4(1/3) - 1) × r0.
The volume of ball 1 is at that time:
V1(t) = 4/3 × pi × (r1(t))3
= 4/3 × pi × ((4(1/3) - 1) × r0)3
= (4/3 × pi × r03) × (4(1/3) - 1)3
= (4(1/3) - 1)3 × V1(0)

So the volume of ball 1 at that moment is only (4(1/3) - 1)3 × 100% of the original volume. This is approximately 20.27%.


Mark on triangles.
"144, 192, 240" Cool

Looks easy, anybody could do it! Well, I think not!

Let the sides of the triangle be a, b, and c, with c=240 being the hypotenuse.
The triangle has the minimal circumference when a=1 and b=sqrt(c2-12) (approximately 240.0). The circumference in that case is approximately 480.0.
The triangle has the maximal circumference when a and b are equal: a=b=sqrt(1/2×c2) (approximately 169.7). The circumference in that case is approximately 579.4.
The only two squares of whole numbers that lie in the interval [480.0, 579.4] are 529 and 576.
Now we know that a+b=529 or a+b=576. In addition, a2+b2=c2, so a2+b2=57600.
Suppose that a+b=529. Then b=529-a, and when we fill that in a2+b2=57600, we get a2+(529-a)2=57600, so a2-289×a+12960.5=0. This equation has no solutions if a must be integer.
Suppose that a+b=576. Then b=576-a, and when we fill that in a2+b2=57600, we get a2+(576-a)2=57600, so a2-336×a+27648=0. This equation has solutions a=192 (b=144) and a=144 (b=192).
Therefore, the sides of the triangle are a=144, b=192, and c=240.

Mark on farming:
"36 days " Cool

How did he know that? Here is a clue.

The Question: For how long can the three animals graze on the field together?

Some assumptions:
• The horse, the goat, and the goose eat grass with a constant speed (amount per day): v1 for the horse, v2 for the goat, v3 for the goose.
• The grass grows with a constant amount per day (k).
• The amount of grass at the beginning is h.
There is given:
• When the horse and the goat graze on the field together, there is no grass left after 45 days. Therefore, h-45×(v1+v2-k) = 0, so v1+v2-k = h/45 = 4×h/180.
• When the horse and the goose graze on the field together, there is no grass left after 60 days. Therefore, h-60×(v1+v3-k) = 0, so v1+v3-k = h/60 = 3×h/180.
• When the horse grazes on the field alone, there is no grass left after 90 days. Therefore, h-90×(v1-k) = 0, so v1-k = h/90 = 2×h/180.
• When the goat and the goose graze on the field together, there is also no grass left after 90 days. Therefore, h-90×(v2+v3-k) = 0, so v2+v3-k = h/90 = 2×h/180.
From this follows:
v1 = 3 × h/180,
v2 = 2 × h/180,
v3 = 1 × h/180,
k = 1 × h/180.
Then holds for the time t that the three animals can graze together: h-t×(v1+v2+v3-k) = 0, so t = h/(v1+v2+v3-k) = h/(3×h/180+2×h/180+1×h/180-1×h/180) = 36. The three animals can graze together for 36 days.


Merlin, who has now been nominated to join the Hall of Fame Very Happy (aka ?'The Labyrinth of Zzqeue) for his contribution;

MIDAS:
"I get coins divided equally at least through room 930 (Excel started complaining after that)." Laughing

"Solution: Cool
Let number of rooms = x
Let number of coins = y
y=x^3 (number of rooms times boxes per room times coins per box)
The number of coins after one box removed for the barber: x^3-x.
If x^3-x modulo 6=0 then coins are divided equally among the six sons."

A fair division of Midas' coins is indeed possible. Let the number of rooms be N. This means that per room there are N boxes with N coins each. In total there are N×N×N = N3 coins. One box with N coins goes to the barber. For the six brothers, N3 - N coins remain. We can write this as: N(N2 - l), or: N(N - 1)(N + l). This last expression is divisible by 6 in all cases, since a number is divisible by 6 when it is both divisible by 3 and even. This is indeed the case here: whatever N may be, the expression N(N - 1)(N + l) always contains three successive numbers. One of those is always divisible by 3, and at least one of the others is even. This even holds when N=1; in that case all the brothers get nothing, which is also a fair division!



483 623 S56 023
6A7 224 368 F8
276 545 T621 45
82E 857 339 Y75

A well known phrase or saying.
Hint: The answer is in the numbers. (not the numbers themselves)


During the final round of New York's All-State Chess Tournament, the eventual top 4 finishers in the tournament played their final game against 4 different opponents. The tournament boards were numbered from 1 to 50 to facilitate location and identification of games. Each of the top 4 finishers played a different opening in this last game. Use the clues below to determine the first and last names of the first through fourth place winners of the tournament, the chess opening each used in his last game, and the number of the chess board on which he played his final game.

1. Mr. Hart played the King's Indian Defence.

2. Steve placed ahead of the one who used the Ruy Lopez opening.

3. The top 4 players were Larry, Mr. Korn, the contestant who opened with Queen's Gambit, and a player who played on an even-numbered board.

4. Mr. Rose finished exactly 2 places ahead of the player on board 31.

5. The number of the 3rd place winner's board is at least 10 higher or at least 10 lower than that of Mr. Baird.

6. The number of the board of the contestant who placed immediately after Bert is exactly 15 higher than the number of the board played by the one who placed immediately before Tom.

7. The lowest board number of the top 4 finishers was exactly half the number of the board played by the one who placed immediately after the one who played the Giuoco Piano opening.

8. The highest board number was exactly 8 higher than the board number of the man who finished exactly two places after Bert.



Something a little different: Sets of Concrete Propositions, proposed as Premises for Sorties. Conclusions to be found.

Example:

1. Babies are illogical;
2. Nobody is despised who can manage a crocodile;
3. Illogical persons are despised.

Conclusion: Babies cannot manage crocodiles


If you are with me so far, try:

1. My saucepans are the only things that I have that are made of tin;
2. I find all your presents very useful;
3. None of my saucepans are of the slightest use.



1. No potatoes of mine, that are new, have been boiled;
2. All of my potatoes in this dish are fit to eat;
3. No unboiled potatoes of mine are fit to eat.



1. There are no Jews in the kitchen;
2. No Gentiles say "shpoonj";
3. My servants are all in the kitchen.



Knights (who always tell the truth), Knaves (who always lie) and Normals (who sometimes lie and sometimes tell the truth). On this island, a man and a woman may only marry if they are both Normal, or one of them is a Knight and the other one is a Knave. Now you meet Mr. and Mrs. A who tell you the following:

Mr. A: "My wife is not normal"

Mrs. A: "My husband is not normal"

What types of persons are Mr. and Mrs. A Question
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DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 06:56 am
1. There are no Jews in the kitchen;
2. No Gentiles say "shpoonj";
3. My servants are all in the kitchen.

My servants do not say "shpoonj."
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whimsical
 
  1  
Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 08:35 am
483 623 S56 023
6A7 224 368 F8
276 545 T621 45
82E 857 339 Y75



There is Safety in numbers


Whim
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markr
 
  1  
Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 09:06 am
DIFFERENT
Your presents are not made of tin.

The potatoes in this dish are old.

MR. & MRS. A
Both are normal because neither can be a Knave.
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DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 10:14 am
whimsical wrote:
483 623 S56 023
6A7 224 368 F8
276 545 T621 45
82E 857 339 Y75

There is Safety in numbers


Nice. I was looking for something about fate (F8).
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Tryagain
 
  1  
Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 10:38 am
Merlin comes up with the first answer,

"My servants do not say "shpoonj." Cool


Whim cracks unsolvable riddle: Cool
483 623 S56 023
6A7 224 368 F8
276 545 T621 45
82E 857 339 Y75



There is 'Safety' in numbers. But then if it was unsolvable he would not have been able to solve it. Confused


I thought these were going to be a problem. However, Mark proved me wrong. (again)

DIFFERENT
Your presents are not made of tin. Cool

The potatoes in this dish are old. Cool

MR. & MRS. A
Both are normal because neither can be a Knave. Cool



1. No ducks waltz;
2. No officers ever decline to waltz;
3. All my poultry are ducks.


1. Every one who is sane can do Logic;
2. No lunatics are fit to serve on a jury;
3. None of your sons can do Logic.


1. There are no pencils of mine in this box;
2. No sugar-plums of mine are cigars;
3. The whole of my property, that is not in the box, consists of cigars.


killer-diller ditloids Twisted Evil (With a little clue)
:wink:
17 I T CR O 4913 - is the 4913

SL T 8 M A 14 S T R T E - Sun#Earth

T RN I 4145 M L - 4145 miles

12 I A H O T BS - 12 Scale

206 B I T H B - (last)body

20 B I A N - bottles

4 F O A P - 4 faces

176 V I T L P (I T HB) - 176 (in the Holy Bible)

300 C W T L O T A - 300 cubits
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DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 11:27 am
SL T 8 M A 14 S T R T E - Sun#Earth
Sunlight takes 8 minutes and 14 seconds to reach the Earth.

206 B I T H B - (last)body
206 bones in the human body

20 B I A N - bottles
20 bottles in a Nebuchadnezzar

"Sure, you're not going to have much occasion to bust out the Nebuchadnezzar, but at least you now know that those oversized bottles in vintners' windows aren't just hokey advertising gimmicks."

4 F O A P - 4 faces
4 faces of a pyramid?

300 C W T L O T A - 300 cubits
300 cubits was the length of the ark
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DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 11:32 am
1. Every one who is sane can do Logic;
2. No lunatics are fit to serve on a jury;
3. None of your sons can do Logic.

None of your sons are fit to serve on a jury.
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whimsical
 
  1  
Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 12:29 pm
17 I T CR O 4913 - is the 4913
17 is the cuberoot of 4913

T RN I 4145 M L
The river Nile is 4145 miles long


whim
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markr
 
  1  
Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 01:15 pm
DUCKS
None of my poultry are officers.

BOX
None of my sugar plums are pencils.
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Tryagain
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 04:02 am
Merlin:

"None of your sons are fit to serve on a jury." Cool


SL T 8 M A 14 S T R T E - Sun#Earth
Sunlight takes 8 minutes and 14 seconds to reach the Earth. Cool

206 B I T H B - (last)body
206 bones in the human body Cool

20 B I A N - bottles
20 bottles in a Nebuchadnezzar Cool

"Sure, you're not going to have much occasion to bust out the Nebuchadnezzar, but at least you now know that those oversized bottles in vintners' windows aren't just hokey advertising gimmicks." Shocked

4 F O A P - 4 faces
4 faces of a pyramid? Cool

300 C W T L O T A - 300 cubits
300 cubits was the length of the ark Cool



Whim:

17 I T CR O 4913 - is the 4913
17 is the cuberoot of 4913 Cool

T RN I 4145 M L
The river Nile is 4145 miles long Cool


Mark:

DUCKS
None of my poultry are officers. Cool

BOX
None of my sugar plums are pencils. Cool


O/S killer-diller ditloids
12 I A H O T BS - Beaufort Scale
176 V I T L P (I T HB) - 176 verses (in the Holy Bible)


Tricky-to-impossible loids

4 S O A DB - 4 strings

6 P O T SOD - 6 points

400 M A A A T - 400 metres

8 T O A S O A O - 8 tentacles

5 P F A T I R U - 5 points

6 P O A ST O A PT - 6 pockets

8 F A 2 T O A P O H - 8 fingers

6 B I A O I C - 6 balls

K 3 T B D F T O - 'Knock Three Times'



1. No experienced person is incompetent.
2. Jenkins is always blundering.
3. No competent person is always blundering.


1. No terriers wander among the signs of the zodiac.
2. Nothing, that does not wander among the signs of the zodiac, is a comet.
3. Nothing but a terrier has a curly tail.


1. No one takes the NYTimes, unless they are well educated.
2. No hedgehogs can read.
3. Those who cannot read are not well-educated.


A small pick-up truck is deposited in the desert beside three 50-gallon gas drums, all full. The truck's gas tank holds 10 gallons and is empty. The truck can carry one drum, whether full or empty, on its bed. It gets 10 miles to the gallon.

How far away from the starting point can you drive the truck Question
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whimsical
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 06:35 am
4 S O A DB - 4 strings
Strings on a Double Bass

6 P O T SOD - 6 points
Points on the star of David

8 T O A S O A O - 8 tentacles
Tentacles on a Squid or a Octopus

6 P O A ST O A PT - 6 pockets
Pockets on a snooker table or a pool table

8 F A 2 T O A P O H - 8 fingers
Fingers an two thumbs on a pair of hands
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DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 07:12 am
Tryagain wrote:
How far away from the starting point can you drive the truck Question


Is it a standard or an automatic?
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markr
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 08:53 am
Jenkins is not experienced.

No comets have curly tails.

No hedgehogs take the NY Times.
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markr
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 08:55 am
400 meters around an athletic track?
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DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 10:00 am
6 B I A O I C - 6 balls

6 balls is an over in cricket

Not bad for a Yank, eh? Very Happy
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Tryagain
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 12:06 pm
I chanced to pass by hoping to find my questions sans answers. However, reality is a cruel master.


Whim

4 S O A DB - 4 strings
Strings on a Double Bass Cool

6 P O T SOD - 6 points
Points on the star of David Cool

8 T O A S O A O - 8 tentacles
Tentacles on a Squid or a Octopus Cool

6 P O A ST O A PT - 6 pockets
Pockets on a snooker table or a pool table Cool

8 F A 2 T O A P O H - 8 fingers
Fingers an two thumbs on a pair of hands Cool

(How you thought of such things I do not know)



Merlin wrote, "Is it a standard or an automatic?" Shocked

a) It gets 10 miles to the gallon.

b) It's a stick shift.

c) It is painted green, green is its color. Green.



He then ?'landed on the moon' with;

6 B I A O I C - 6 balls

6 balls is an over in cricket Cool

Not bad for a Yank, eh? ( You sure know how to bowl a ?'Maiden' over) Oh, how I miss those silicon hills. Embarrassed


Mark, who has never played cricket in his life and therefore still has all his ?'marbles' writes:

400 meters around an athletic track? Cool


Jenkins is not experienced. Cool

No comets have curly tails. Cool

No hedgehogs take the NY Times. Cool

Sharp.



1. All puddings are nice;
2. This dish is a pudding;
3. No nice things are wholesome.


1. My gardener is well worth listening to on military subjects;
2. No one can remember the battle of Waterloo, unless he is very old;
3. Nobody is really worth listening to on military subjects, unless he can remember the battle of Waterloo.


1. All humming birds are richly coloured;
2. No large birds live on honey;
3. Birds that do not live on honey are dull in colour.


One day Wendy meets the Lion and the Unicorn in the Forest of Forgetfulness. She knows that the Lion lies on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays, and tells the truth on the other days of the week. The Unicorn, on the other hand, lies on Thursdays, Fridays, and Saturdays, but tells the truth on the other days of the week. Now they make the following statements:

Lion: Yesterday was one of my lying days.

Unicorn: Yesterday was one of my lying days too.

What day is it Question
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markr
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 01:35 pm
This dish is not wholesome.
My gardener is very old.
Humming birds are not large birds.

WENDY
Thursday - lion told the truth, unicorn lied
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