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The worlds first riddle!

 
 
markr
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 11:20 am
Tryagain wrote:

Actually, the answer is A W.
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whimsical
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 11:22 am
Quote:


But you set the question. What is the original answer then, try?
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markr
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 11:26 am
[size=7]PATH
valley

FAIR
1 (you)

BEES
THere is one 'b' in buzzing.

ATTIRE
The same thing I'm wearing today.
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markr
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 11:31 am
whimsical wrote:
Quote:


But you set the question. What is the original answer then, try?


Tryagain wrote:
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 12:26 pm
markr wrote:
Tryagain wrote:

Actually, the answer is A W.
Shocked Shocked Shocked Embarrassed


Why, Y o'why. Oh gawd, will this damn answer haunt me thru time? Laughing


I agree with DP's simple weighing answer.


For anyone interested in this type of problem - the ultimate guide:


In the November 1997 College Mathematics Journal, Mario Martelli and Gerald Gannon of California State University, Fullerton address the following question: What is the largest number, m, of otherwise identical coins among which a single odd coin can be detected using a balance scale n times?

Suppose that the odd coin weighs less than the others. If there are three coins, you can find the light one by putting one coin on each side of the balance while holding the third. With four or more coins, one weighing isn't enough because two coins must be either held or set on both pans. Hence, the largest number of coins among which it is possible to detect the lighter one using the scale twice (n = 2) is 3^2. You place three coins on each pan and hold the remaining three. If neither pan rises, the coin is among the three in your hand. Otherwise, the pan that rises contains the light coin. In either case, a second round of weighing detects the counterfeit.

In general, 3^n is the largest number of coins among which a lighter one can be detected using the balance n times.
Martelli and Gannon go on to demonstrate that, in general, n weighings are needed to detect the counterfeit one among (3^n - 3)/2 coins. For example, four weighings will detect the odd one among 39 coins. You divide 39 by 3 to get 13. Setting aside 13 coins, you divide the remaining 26 equally between the two pans of the scale. If the pans remain level, the odd coin is among the 13 set aside.

You can then choose a test coin of the correct weight from the 26 coins that balanced. To find the odd one among the remaining 13 coins, set aside four, put five on the left pan and the other four together with the test coin on the right pan. Suppose the right side is lighter. Taking away the test coin, the odd coin is either among the five on the left (heavier) or the four on the right (lighter).

With two more tries, it's possible to detect the counterfeit coin and determine whether it is lighter or heavier than the others. Call the five coins on the left "red" and the four on the right "black." Set aside one red coin and two black coins, leaving four red and two black for the balance. Put two red and a black on each pan. If the right rises, the counterfeit coin is among the two red on the left or it is the black on the right.
With just three coins, two red and one black, just put a red on each pan and keep the black in your hand. Whatever the outcome of the weighing, you can pick out the counterfeit.

Variations of that method produce the required result in the other possible cases.
Martelli and Gannon note that their approach "demonstrates the strategic value of the old principle divide et impera: to solve a difficult problem, break it into simpler problems." Cool



Talking of small numbers:
Alan, Bill and Chris dug up 9 nuggets. Their weights were 154, 16, 19, 101, 10, 17, 13, 46 and 22 kgs. They took 3 each. Alan's weighed twice as much as Bill's. How heavy were Chris's nuggets Question


The product of 3 brothers' ages is 175. Two are twins. How old is the other one Question


A man has 2 bankcards, each with a 4 digit number. The 1st number is 4 times the 2nd. The 1st number is the reverse of the 2nd. What is the first number Question
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markr
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 12:42 pm
16 COINS
An irregular coin can be detected from a set of 27 in three weighings on a 2-pan balance. Surely, it won't take three weighings to detect an irregular coin from a set of 16 on a 3-pan balance!
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markr
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 12:45 pm
I believe we recently solved that last batch of three.
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 01:35 pm
Mark wrote, "Surely, it won't take three weighings to detect an irregular coin from a set of 16 on a 3-pan balance!"

I will review my earlier position. - And don't call me Shirley! Laughing

"I believe we recently solved that last batch of three." Shocked


ArrrrrrrraaaH

Hum, I think we did.

MIT entrance exam: (You must score %100)

Twenty seven ducks are going to the pond. Five of them got lost, thirteen of them are staying home, nine of them are at the pond. Where are the rest of them Question


Tara has $29.00 dollars. She bought 4 coloring books that cost $3.00 each, 4 boxes of crayola crayons that cost $2.00 each. She spend the rest of her money on markers. How much money did she spend on markers Question


There is a pink house made of bricks, a blue house made of bricks, an orange house made of bricks. What color bricks is a greenhouse made of Question

If a rooster laid 11 eggs and the farmer took 5 of them and another rooster laid 14 eggs and 5 of them were rotten, how many eggs were left Question
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 03:15 pm
What is the alternative?

[size=7]4 4 4 on scales 4 withheld.

If all are equal weight the counterfeit is in the 4 withheld then 1 1 1 (one held)

Select either the heaviest or lightest pan (odd pan out.) Or, if even, one in hand - Two weightings.

If not, select either the heaviest or lightest pan (odd pan out.)
Repeat: 1 1 1 and one in hand. Zingo - Two weightings.[/size]

Send very BIG prize to; Bloody lucky (thanks for the clue) c/o A2K (cash only - no cheques). Razz
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markr
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2005 04:52 pm
Tryagain wrote:
What is the alternative?

[size=7]4 4 4 on scales 4 withheld.

If all are equal weight the counterfeit is in the 4 withheld then 1 1 1 (one held)

Select either the heaviest or lightest pan (odd pan out.) Or, if even, one in hand - Two weightings.

If not, select either the heaviest or lightest pan (odd pan out.)
Repeat: 1 1 1 and one in hand. Zingo - Two weightings.[/size]

Send very BIG prize to; Bloody lucky (thanks for the clue) c/o A2K (cash only - no cheques). Razz


Bingo! I never send cash through the mail - too risky.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 02:52 am
Thanks for the correction folks. that deaerves a beer i believe.
http://images.google.com.au/images?q=tbn:mGis0FdS5s0J:www.satriani.com/gallery/2005
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 06:16 am
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 10:16 am
Mark:

PATH
valley Cool

(-v = alley)


FAIR
1 (you) Cool

BEES
There is one 'b' in buzzing. Cool

(Damn, I thought that one was a banker)

ATTIRE
The same thing I'm wearing today. Cool

Mark wrote, "I never send cash through the mail - too risky."

What! You don't not got Fed Ex? A2K Towers is just along the road from you call by. I hear they have a sauna and give free back rubs. Rolling Eyes


No MIT material I see. Shocked


True or False
If an integer which ends in a 3 is divided by 17, the remainder is non-zero Question


True or False
To divide a number x by 213, we can first divide x by 200, then divide x by 13, and add the two answers Question


A wizard was asked, "As my ink is running out, can you reduce the following to lowest terms:

(4*3)3 /6 and (27*8)1000/(16*9)2000 Question


Is it correct or incorrect to cancel the 3's to get:

(3*7-3*78)/(3*41)=(7-78)/41 Question


Three busloads of students drove off on a field trip. Fifty students rode on the first bus. The ratio of boys to girls on this bus was 2:3. The ratio of boys on the first bus to boys on the second bus was 5:6, though the ratio of girls to boys on bus 2 was 50:50. The ratio of girls on the third bus to girls on the second bus was 7:8. Boys comprised 40% of the students on the third bus.

What was the total number of students aboard the three buses Question
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markr
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 01:02 pm
[size=7]TRUE OR FALSE (DIVIDE BY 17)
not necessarily (recent repeat)

TRUE OR FALSE (DIVIDE BY 213)
true: 0/213 = 0/200 + 0/13
Oh, x can stand for any number?!
Then, false, of course.

WIZARD
6 and 3/4

CANCEL 3'S
it is correct

BUSES
bus 1: 20 boys, 30 girls
bus 2: 24 each
bus 3: 14 boys, 21 girls
total students: 133
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markr
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 01:05 pm
[size=7]MIT
DUCKS
They all seem to be accounted for.

TARA
$9

HOUSES
Greenhouses are made of glass.

EGGS
Roosters don't lay eggs.
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 03:30 pm
Mark:


MIT
DUCKS
They all seem to be accounted for. Cool - OK

TARA
$9 Cool -YUP

HOUSES
Greenhouses are made of glass. Cool - Damn again

EGGS
Roosters don't lay eggs. Cool - So now you are a veterinarian Laughing


Welcome to MIT. You start Monday if you know the password, which you can find with:



How many six digit numbers are there which DO NOT contain a 5 Question
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markr
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2005 08:58 pm
[size=7]PASSWORD
8 choices for the first digit (can't be 0 or 5)
9 choices for each of the other five digits (can't be 5)
8 * 9^5 = 472392
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Tue 4 Oct, 2005 08:58 am
Mark:


PASSWORD
8 choices for the first digit (can't be 0 or 5)
9 choices for each of the other five digits (can't be 5)
8 * 9^5 = 472392 Cool Cool Cool


Assuming numbers with six digits where the first digit is 0 (e.g. 000001) don't count, the answer is (n-2)x(n-1)^5 (the first digit cannot be 0 or 5, and the others cannot be 5), if we are working in base n(>5). In base 10, the answer is 472392.


Never in the field of human conflict has one person achieved so much. To the winner goes the spoils. Please note, the same number also opens the door to the executive bathroom suite. Razz



How many red fish are there in the pond of the building?
Thus one evening, I discreetly caught with a net 12 red fish which I marked with green paint. The following day, I returned at the same hour, and I still caught red fish with my net. This time, I had 11 of them, of which 4 had green paint. I easily deduced from the number of red fish caught the approximate number in the pond.

How many are in there Question

(No fish were hurt in the making of this riddle.)
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Tue 4 Oct, 2005 03:31 pm
Fish free zone.

What number comes next in this sequence:
8 5 5 3 4 4 Question


After the autumn harvest there were nine ears of corn left in the farmer's field. Each night a hungry rabbit sneaked into the field and took three ears home with him.

How many nights did it take to get all the corn Question



The words in the following list follow a logical progression:
SUNKEN, MONASTICISM, TUESDAY, WEDGE, THUMB, FRIVOLITY.

Which of the following words would most logically be next in the list above Question

SQUANDER, SATIATE, MINE, TABLE
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markr
 
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Reply Tue 4 Oct, 2005 07:46 pm
[size=7]FISH
33

CORN
3 (awfully easy, or I missed the gotcha)

WORDS
(sat)iate
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