Indecency ?

personally, i don't care what's on tv, i'm just glad that i'm down to a few canadian channels i still get with an antenna and don't have to be bothered with watching most of the crap on tv

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@Night Ripper,

Night Ripper wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Yes, those are natural behaviors. I don't know who you think suggested they aren't.

Well it seems like you're arguing that we shouldn't treat things as taboo if they are natural. You also claim that everything humans do is natural. Therefore, nothing humans do should be treated as taboo. Correct me if I'm wrong and that's not what you're arguing.

Yeah, that's an Appeal to Extremes.

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If it is though, I disagree. I think rape and murder should definitely be treated as taboo.

And yet, Murder is not taboo. As I pointed out, we show it on TV all the time. And most people don't have much of a problem with that.

Appealing to Extremes doesn't remove the fact that sex is a natural part of life, that people engage in it, that people enjoy watching others do it, and there's no real benefit in treating it as a 'taboo' subject.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

And yet, Murder is not taboo. As I pointed out, we show it on TV all the time. And most people don't have much of a problem with that.

That's not murder. That's acting. We were talking about porn which is "real sex" therefore the proper analogy would be talking about "real murder".

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Appealing to Extremes doesn't remove the fact that sex is a natural part of life, that people engage in it, that people enjoy watching others do it, and there's no real benefit in treating it as a 'taboo' subject.

It does demonstrate that being "natural" isn't enough. I think you nailed it when you said that there's no real benefit to treating it as taboo. It has nothing to do with being natural or not.

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@Night Ripper,

Night Ripper wrote:

We were talking about porn which is "real sex"

really, cause i've had some pretty decent sex in my life and none of it looked like porn

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@djjd62,

djjd62 wrote:

Night Ripper wrote:
We were talking about porn which is "real sex"

really, cause i've had some pretty decent sex in my life and none of it looked like porn

That's a shame. However, the point is, porn is people actually ******* while shoot 'em ups aren't people actually murdering. To compare the two doesn't really make sense from that perspective.

I can show my kids violence and tell them that it's just pretend that's why it's ok. I can't do the same with snuff films.

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@Setanta,

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Oh for Chrissake . . . there's nothing indecent about that vibrator ad. I suspect that the only people getting worked up over this are people suffereing from an excess of Protestantism. Trojan has been running jokey radio ads for years and years--and as the case with the vibrator ads, if you don't alreay know what's going on, there's no way to tell from the ads. Get a grip, people.

I find myself in unfamiliar territory. Usually I am for quite open free speech and free expression. I am not offended by bad language or explicit lyrics, etc. They are just words, after all. I also don't care about extreme art. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Live and let live is my general attitude.

But,

I welcome television into my home. It sits in the living room and gets our attention as a family. When I am watching a family appropriate show on TV I don't expect commercials for female masturbation products to suddenly appear. That is exactly what happened. I don't want to be put into a position of trying to explain to a 12 year old young lady what those ladies want with the vibrator and why they are getting their hair blown back. You are right, the commercial was fine, in the right time and place. I'd say after 10pm, or in a playboy or playgirl magazine. Timing is everything.

BTW - I have a grip.

How would you suggest I explain the purpose of that product? Oh, it's ok dear, ladies pleasure themselves with that. Ask your mother.

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@IRFRANK,

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How would you suggest I explain the purpose of that product? Oh, it's ok dear, ladies pleasure themselves with that. Ask your mother.

I understand that this is probably a tough thing to do, given the fact that we all have grown up in a very puritanical society; but would that really be all that bad? I mean, is it going to wreck this poor girl? I doubt it. In a short period she'll know exactly what that thing is all about... what's better, to hide a truth or to discuss it?

I haven't had much success hiding truths in my life.

Cycloptichorn

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@IRFRANK,

IRFRANK wrote:

When I am watching a family appropriate show on TV I don't expect commercials for female masturbation products to suddenly appear. That is exactly what happened. I don't want to be put into a position of trying to explain to a 12 year old young lady what those ladies want with the vibrator and why they are getting their hair blown back.

If you're paying for a service that you don't like then complain to the service provider about it or cancel it. What else exactly do you expect to be done? You're an unsatisfied customer, what else is owed to you other than a refund?

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@Arella Mae,

Sure, as long as they are identified. There is nothing wrong with anything on TV. After all there are what, 200 channels.

Keeping them away from children is a parents responsibility.

But, don't put advertisements for them in the middle of a family show.

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@Night Ripper,

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If you're paying for a service that you don't like then complain to the service provider about it or cancel it. What else exactly do you expect to be done? You're an unsatisfied customer, what else is owed to you other than a refund?

That's a valid point. And probably will result in me avoiding that particular channel when grandchildren are present. I don't need a refund, I can change the channel.

And you're right, Cycloptichorn, if it results in an appropriate mother / daughter conversation that is ok too.

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@Cycloptichorn,

What about people like Ted Bundy? He thought it perfectly normal what he did. It was "part of him" as he would say. Same with the Green River Killer. Pedophiles will say they "love" the children and it's perfectly natural so yeah, I think it applies to the conversation.

Some people have a compulsion to steal. It's perfectly normal for them. So, who gets to decide what is normal or what is not in these cases?

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@Cycloptichorn,

Are you familiar at all with how porn plays a part in the roles of certain serial killers?

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@Arella Mae,

Arella Mae wrote:

What about people like Ted Bundy? He thought it perfectly normal what he did. It was "part of him" as he would say. Same with the Green River Killer. Pedophiles will say they "love" the children and it's perfectly natural so yeah, I think it applies to the conversation.

Bundy's attraction to pretty college women was natural. His penchant for murdering them? Not so much. It's not considered kosher in our society to do such things, in public OR in private. It's not a question of decency.

Once again, you are Appealing to Extremes in order to try and uphold your end of the convo. Please don't do that. It doesn't follow logically and doesn't help your argument.

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Some people have a compulsion to steal. It's perfectly normal for them. So, who gets to decide what is normal or what is not in these cases?

There's a difference between 'normalized' behavior and what any one person considers 'normal.' But I'm sure you already understood that distinction before you wrote this last post.

To get back on topic: female masturbation is a normal and healthy thing, and we'd all be better off if people would just accept that, and stop acting like sex is somehow evil, wrong or off-limits to discuss or show on TV.

Cycloptichorn

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@Arella Mae,

Arella Mae wrote:

Are you familiar at all with how porn plays a part in the roles of certain serial killers?

I'm familiar with how some people can't stop Appealing to Extremes in every post.

Cycloptichorn

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@Arella Mae,

The general thought is that it becomes wrong when it hurts other people.

There is nothing natural about child sex abuse. Physical abuse has nothing to do with love. I suppose a wife beater will say they are showing affection? BS

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@Cycloptichorn,

Wait a minute, was it not you calling things normal behavior? Didn't you say they may not be typical but still normal? I'm paraphrasing there so don't hold it against me if I'm wrong.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Arella Mae wrote:

Are you familiar at all with how porn plays a part in the roles of certain serial killers?

I'm familiar with how some people can't stop Appealing to Extremes in every post.

Cycloptichorn

Fine, end of discussion then.

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@IRFRANK,

IRFRANK wrote:

The general thought is that it becomes wrong when it hurts other people.

There is nothing natural about child sex abuse. Physical abuse has nothing to do with love. I suppose a wife beater will say they are showing affection? BS

I'm with you on this! I think all that stuff is totally not normal and there are things that our kids need to be guarded from.

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@Arella Mae,

Arella Mae wrote:

Wait a minute, was it not you calling things normal behavior? Didn't you say they may not be typical but still normal? I'm paraphrasing there so don't hold it against me if I'm wrong.

If you look, you'll see I used the word 'natural' not 'normal.' Big difference.

Everything humans do is Natural; within our nature. Rape, murder, killing, pillaging, theft, lying, cheating and everything else we find repugnant about human behavior is perfectly natural.

But not everything is Normal.

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Fine, end of discussion then.

That'll certainly cut down on the number of logical errors in the thread.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

I think it depends on the year. I still remember asking my mother about napkins that seemed to be in the wrong aisle. I think I remember this from her being totally flustered. (We never did have the talk.)

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