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JACK HORNER IS BUILDING A DINOCHICKEN: U WANT ONE?

 
 
Reply Sun 26 Dec, 2010 11:55 pm

JACK HORNER IS BUILDING A DINOCHICKEN:
U WANT ONE?


I had chickens, as a boy in Arizona,
but not Dinochickens. I don 't believe that
his intended creation will be very large;
not take up too much space.
Thay will have hands, instead of wings.
I dunno about their personalities.

He says fruition is expected in the next 5 years.

Maybe he can train them to work in his movies.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 12:25 am

I wonder what Col. Saunders woud think about that.
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Pemerson
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 12:26 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Pray, tell us, what is a dinochicken?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 02:15 am
@Pemerson,
Birds are genetic descendants of the dinosaurs.
Thay have inactive dinosaur DNA from their ancestors.

By turning on old, residual genes,
the old characteristics can be atavisticly manifested again.
Jack Horner is gonna DO it.




David
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 07:23 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Thay have inactive dinosaur DNA from their ancestors.

JAck Horner is an amateur paleontologist and is not a genetcisit. He seems to miss the point that there has never been any evidence of any dinosaur DNA to even make a scientific proposal. ALL is mere conjecture from a bunch of "What ifs".
We have lots of evidence that chickens, when certain alleles are "turned off" will grow teeth via the embryos ontogenic development .
Any genetic reference is purely speculation at this point. I wish Horner would be more careful about his arm waving.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 08:03 am
@farmerman,
I give him credit for trying. Even if all he gets is a modified chicken, if it has any morphological similarity to a dinosaur the media (and therefor the general public) will consider it a success. And we'll have learned something more about genetics in the process.

PETA may not like it, but if we let a herd of pseudo-dino-chickens loose in their house to bite 'em it'll be fun anyway.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 09:40 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
Thay have inactive dinosaur DNA from their ancestors.

JAck Horner is an amateur paleontologist
He 's a pretty GOOD one.


farmerman wrote:
and is not a genetcisit.
He seems to miss the point that there has never been any evidence of any dinosaur DNA to even make a scientific proposal. ALL is mere conjecture from a bunch of "What ifs".
That used to be true; I 'm not sure that it still is.



farmerman wrote:
We have lots of evidence that chickens, when certain alleles are "turned off" will grow teeth via the embryos ontogenic development .
Any genetic reference is purely speculation at this point. I wish Horner would be more careful about his arm waving.
Either he will come up with a dynochicken, or he won 't; we'll see what happens.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 09:45 am
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:
I give him credit for trying.
BRAVO! WELL SAID!!!



rosborne979 wrote:
Even if all he gets is a modified chicken, if it has any morphological similarity to a dinosaur the media (and therefor the general public) will consider it a success. And we'll have learned something more about genetics in the process.
Of course; Rome was not built in a day.

rosborne979 wrote:
PETA may not like it, but if we let a herd of pseudo-dino-chickens loose in their house to bite 'em it'll be fun anyway.
We'll do it on April Fool's Day!
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 10:02 am
@farmerman,
Do you discount the findings of Mary Higby Schweitzer?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 10:03 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
That used to be true; I 'm not sure that it still is.

Then youd be wrong . Theres no dino DNA out there. NOONE has found any. The stories of some "near hits" are abut a substance called Osteocalcin which is not really close.

My disdain for Horner is based on his clownlike activities in recent years. If you are so taken by this news and didnt know that the concept of "back engineering" a birds DNA has been done numrous of times , then I dont know how to convince you.
Remain ignorant, I care not.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 10:42 am
@farmerman,
David wrote:
That used to be true; I 'm not sure that it still is.

farmerman wrote:
Then youd be wrong. Theres no dino DNA out there. NOONE has found any.
U know that for a fact!


farmerman wrote:
The stories of some "near hits" are abut a substance called Osteocalcin which is not really close.
I find no need to pre-judge the success or failure of his results today.




farmerman wrote:
My disdain for Horner is based on his clownlike activities in recent years. If you are so taken by this news and didnt know that the concept of "back engineering" a birds DNA has been done numrous of times , then I dont know how to convince you.
Remain ignorant, I care not.

I was ignorant that it was done; with what results ??
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 05:51 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Ha, Ive seen a precis and this entire line is Horner hawking his new book "How to Build A Dinosaur". He is trying to establish personbal cred by invoking work by larsen (who was the most recent to turn off chicken beak genes, and MAry SChweitzer who found red blood cells in soft tissue of a T Rex. His book is merely a survey of where paleo has gone in the last several years.

I doubt if Horner is equipped to "back engineer" a dinosaur.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 05:55 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Ha, Ive seen a precis and this entire line is Horner hawking
his new book "How to Build A Dinosaur".
Maybe he coud do it with a hawk.




farmerman wrote:
He is trying to establish personbal cred by invoking work by larsen
(who was the most recent to turn off chicken beak genes,
and MAry SChweitzer who found red blood cells in soft tissue of a T Rex.
His book is merely a survey of where paleo has gone in the last several years.
Sounds good.



farmerman wrote:
I doubt if Horner is equipped to "back engineer" a dinosaur.
Maybe we 'll find out.





David
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 09:15 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
JACK HORNER IS BUILDING A DINOCHICKEN:
U WANT ONE?

I had chickens, as a boy in Arizona,
but not Dinochickens. I don 't believe that
his intended creation will be very large;
not take up too much space.
Thay will have hands, instead of wings.
I dunno about their personalities.
Perhaps asking those typws of questions earlier? You sounded convinced that Horner was going to actually do it no? I have some really nioce land for sale, at low tide its unsaturated
rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 09:22 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
I doubt if Horner is equipped to "back engineer" a dinosaur.

All he really needs to be equipped is to have enough money to hire someone to tweak the right eggs. Maybe he'll get that from his book?

Anyway, I don't care if he recreates a real dino, or if all he gets is a bald chicken with a tail and fingers, that alone would be pretty cool :-)
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 11:05 am
@farmerman,
David wrote:
JACK HORNER IS BUILDING A DINOCHICKEN:
U WANT ONE?

I had chickens, as a boy in Arizona,
but not Dinochickens. I don 't believe that
his intended creation will be very large;
not take up too much space.
Thay will have hands, instead of wings.
I dunno about their personalities.
farmerman wrote:
Perhaps asking those typws of questions earlier?
Earlier than WHAT ??




farmerman wrote:
You sounded convinced that Horner was going to actually do it no?
No. I sounded like I was gonna wait n see.
That 's what counts.



farmerman wrote:
I have some really nioce land for sale, at low tide its unsaturated
Great! Have fun with it, Farmer.
Plant rice, if u wanna.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 11:11 am
@rosborne979,
farmerman wrote:
I doubt if Horner is equipped to "back engineer" a dinosaur.
rosborne979 wrote:
All he really needs to be equipped is to have enough money to hire
someone to tweak the right eggs.
CLEARLY. I don 't think he's a geneticist.




rosborne979 wrote:
Maybe he'll get that from his book?
He' ll rake it in.


rosborne979 wrote:
Anyway, I don't care if he recreates a real dino,
or if all he gets is a bald chicken with a tail and fingers, that alone would be pretty cool :-)
Some of them had feathers.





David
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 12:13 pm
@rosborne979,
Quote:
All he really needs to be equipped is to have enough money to hire someone to tweak the right eggs. Maybe he'll get that from his book?

Anyway, I don't care if he recreates a real dino, or if all he gets is a bald chicken with a tail and fingers, that alone would be pretty cool :-)
If you read the article in WIRED, I dont think he has ANY plans to back engineer anything. I believe its only book sales hype.

DAvid then spake

Quote:
CLEARLY. I don 't think he's a geneticist.


Are you even in the same conversation as I am Dave? I said that at the beginning of your thread. Horner is acting just like an investigative reporter and is sending you information that he knows is of an elementary nature. You seem to want to give him credit for something that hes technically unequipped to even propose.
Maybe ,LArsen , Sean Carroll or Craig Venter can play with this





farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 12:23 pm
@farmerman,
What annoyse the hell out of me is how the inyernet trivializes an act as complex as "back engineering" a progenitor species from a daughter species. This isnt mere "tweaking". Im afraid that the internet has robbed us of the scope of what this represents.

'OK, in order to travel to the stars

1Build a machine that can fly at the speed of light
rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 12:32 pm
@farmerman,
I won't be putting my life on hold waiting for him to succeed.

I was just happy that we had a thread with an interesting premise that didn't revolve around Spendi being an idiot.
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