I KNOW God does not exist

@Arella Mae,

Being a Christian is not knowing God exists, its being a member of a God club. What I would say is that if I had any doubts at all, no matter how small about the non existence of God then I would not be an atheist, and I am simply applying the same rules I apply to myself to you. Perhaps that is wrong and as a Christian you should be excluded from such self examination. I think everyone seems to see agnostic as a bad word, the majority of people in the world are agnostic on religion and all are agnostic about everything else, we are all looking for proof about something, does he/she love me, is Elvis dead, Was Princess Diana killed by the Royal Family. It's knowing when to stop looking and make a decision that matters.

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@bob600,

I really don't like it when others try to tell me what I mean or what I am saying. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other how you see it. I explained my position and that's the end of that.

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@Arella Mae,

I agree there is nothing to be gained in continuing this thread, but consider that one of your posts read "You cannot prove there is God anymore than I can prove there is not God." And I agree with you "I really don't like it when others try to tell me what I mean or what I am saying"

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@bob600,

I was referring to your.....................God club statement. I should have made that clear. I apologize for not doing so.

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@bob600,

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Of course to KNOW something is not the same as being correct, I would never say that, in fact I would say that in most cases to KNOW something means you are wrong in your understanding of what you KNOW. However, to be wrong does not mean that you don't KNOW

You are using the street definition of know here. That's fine in general conversation with people who aren't going to look into things too deeply.

However, when you enter into any sort of productive discussion on an intellectual level, the word know, means to have knowledge of. And all knowledge is true.

What you would have us believe, by you're use of the word know, is that when you win a coin toss, it's because you knew the out come.
You are placing a bet with a 50% chance of being right or wrong.
Fine enough , on the street. Just don't expect to get a pass from academia on that.

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Frankly, i see Bob here being hammered for his foolishness, and backpedaling furiously.

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@Setanta,

Is that what I am doing? It does not feel like that to me, I thought I was trying to enlighten the logically challenged, but perhaps your right, so back on my bike....

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@wayne,

The "street" definition suits me well as I am from the mean streets of Belfast and would never claim to any sort of intellectual grandeur.

"An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." Dwight D. Eisenhower or even "Intellectual property has the shelf life of a banana." Bill Gates

So you suggest the "intellectual" level means to have COMPLETE knowledge off, I don't think so. Actually at the "intellectual" level the only thing to KNOW is that you know very little and what little you know is most likely wrong, so in that context "all knowledge is" suspect.

So everything you KNOW is just a bet with a 50% chance of being right, you must have difficulty in getting through life or any examination pass with those odds

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@Arella Mae,

No apology necessary, but if my God club statement offended, then I apologise to you for my insensitivity. Please also understand, I have no axe to grind with theists/Christians I genuinely admire their commitment to their views and the peace of mind and the companionship of like minded souls their unified belief in God brings them. Unlike a lot of misguided atheists/agnostics who think they must be some form of lower life form to attack at every turn.

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@bob600,

bob600 wrote:

. . . to enlighten the logically challenged . . .

With an ego like that, i suggest that the most passive form of suicide for you would be to jump from the top of your ego. You'll starve to death before you ever hit the ground.

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@Setanta,

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With an ego like that, i suggest that the most passive form of suicide for you would be to jump from the top of your ego. You'll starve to death before you ever hit the ground.

One hell of a great insult is it one that you created yourself?

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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With an ego like that, i suggest that the most passive form of suicide for you would be to jump from the top of your ego. You'll starve to death before you ever hit the ground.

One hell of a great insult is it one that you created yourself?

Do you appreciate creativity, Billy?

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@Setanta,

Don't worry I can use your hot air to coast down gently.

And to Quote Golda Meir "Don’t be so humble - you are not that great."
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@Setanta,

He had to know it would happen, why else capitalize the I KNOW.
Direct challenge maybe.

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@bob600,

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"Intellectual property has the shelf life of a banana." Bill Gates

Are you sure you know what this means?

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@wayne,

Lets see

"intellectual" = engaging the intellect

"property" = that which a person owns. So Intellectual property is the product of the intellect.

"Shelf life" = the length of time that food, drink, medicine, chemicals, and many other perishable items are given before they are considered unsuitable for sale, use, or consumption.

"Banana" = a genus of tropical herbaceous plants, and the fruit they bear, that does not have a very long "shelf life"

Put it all together and what do you get, any produce of the intellect is likely to have the lifespan of a mayfly.

"Mayfly" = insects which belong to the Order Ephemeroptera (from the Greek ephemeros = "short-lived", pteron = "wing", referring to the brief lifespan of adults).

I hope this helps, but don't worry, given the lack of intellectual product, none of the above is likely to apply to you.

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@wayne,

I must admit you are very predictable.
Given my experiences with wannabe atheists they all react the same. In my world there are atheists, theists, apathists and agnostics, I have no problem with atheists, theists, or apathists, its the agnostics who irritate. Why can't they assess all the information and just make a decision and move on. However, my assessment of what that entails gets up the noses of those so called atheists who talk round the subject with great intellectual prose, and who are not prepared to make a similar decision that they would normally make in everyday life and state that given all the against (considerable) and all the for (none) sorry one (faith) that God does not exist and that is something that you KNOW just like you KNOW fairies and leprechauns don't exist despite all the folklore and so called evidence for their existence. Why is God so different. (that is not a question, as I happen to know why)

Well I have just wasted more of my time and "intellect" trying to persuade the un-persuadable

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@bob600,

bob600 wrote:

I must admit you are very predictable.
Given my experiences with wannabe atheists they all react the same. In my world there are atheists, theists, apathists and agnostics, I have no problem with atheists, theists, or apathists, its the agnostics who irritate. Why can't they assess all the information and just make a decision and move on. However, my assessment of what that entails gets up the noses of those so called atheists who talk round the subject with great intellectual prose, and who are not prepared to make a similar decision that they would normally make in everyday life and state that given all the against (considerable) and all the for (none) sorry one (faith) that God does not exist and that is something that you KNOW just like you KNOW fairies and leprechauns don't exist despite all the folklore and so called evidence for their existence. Why is God so different. (that is not a question, as I happen to know why)

Well I have just wasted more of my time and "intellect" trying to persuade the un-persuadable

Perhaps it would be prudent to take your own advice and move on?

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@bob600,

bob600 wrote:

Please, even God can't prove something does not exist, all that can be done with things that don't exist is to KNOW they don't exist. If they do, then someone will prove they do and one can be suitably surprised and foolish looking.

Wrong!
We can indeed prove that the x such that (Fx and ~Fx) does not exist.
If the predicate of a described thing is contradictory then that thing cannot exist.
Do you want or need proof?

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@Arella Mae,

"You can't prove he doesn't exist anymore than I can prove he does."

I don't agree.
We can prove that 'God does exist', if we can show at least one true proposition that has God as its subject.
If the description/definition of "God" has some confirmable property then that God exists.

If the description/definition of "God" is contradictory, then we can prove that, that God does not exist.

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