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Appropriate innuendo and crass sexual content?

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husker
 
Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 11:32 am
Appropriate innuendo and crass sexual content?
While I enjoy on occasion some of the above - it seems that posts of these types are more frequently surfacing in topics that really have no place for them.
I'm wondering:
Is this what A2K is about?
Where is the line drawn?
Is this a problem them needs to be addressed?

It seems that there's becoming a higher presence of younger minor people here and I'm wondering about the community of A2K responsibility.
Does there needs to be better moderation or self-control by users?
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Piffka
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 11:48 am
I'm with you, Husker, but I'm reminded of what a student of human nature pointed out to me... the person who talks about it is the one who isn't getting nearly enough action.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 11:49 am
Innuendo . . . is that a gay thing?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 11:50 am
Re: Appropriate innuendo and crass sexual content?
husker wrote:
I'm wondering:
Is this what A2K is about?


Freedom of expression? I think so.


Quote:
Where is the line drawn?


Is there really a need for a line?


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Is this a problem them needs to be addressed?


No.

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It seems that there's becoming a higher presence of younger minor people here and I'm wondering about the community of A2K responsibility.
Does there needs to be better moderation or self-control by users?


No -- to both questions.


Of course, this is just my opinion.
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husker
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 11:51 am
Sometimes it can spoil the whole topic - change the direction and derail the topic.
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husker
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 11:55 am
Piffka wrote:
I'm with you, Husker, but I'm reminded of what a student of human nature pointed out to me... the person who talks about it is the one who isn't getting nearly enough action.

Let them get there atttention on an appropriate topic - but not at someone elses expense - kind of like being a bully - with a sexual theme in my opinion.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 11:56 am
I personally don't mind sexual innuendo. But I do think gratuitous use of it is on the rise here. It's not offensive to me, but is frequently a TMI. It makes the forum look like a group of horny teenagers IMO.

And as to whether it needs to be addressed my answer is yes. And recently it has been and will continue to be. It's because of the increasing use of vulgarities by a select few that the word censor was activated.

Self-control is prefferable, but seemingly absent in some cases.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 11:57 am
husker wrote:
Sometimes it can spoil the whole topic - change the direction and derail the topic.


I agree. A teenager earnestly asks a question about relationships and surprisingly it's the adults who can't answer without the sexual jokes.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 11:59 am
Craven de Kere wrote:
I personally don't mind sexual innuendo. But I do think gratuitous use of it is on the rise here. It's not offensive to me, but is frequently a TMI. It makes the forum look like a group of horny teenagers IMO.

And as to whether it needs to be addressed my answer is yes. And recently it has been and will continue to be. It's because of the increasing use of vulgarities by a select few that the word censor was activated.

Self-control is prefferable, but seemingly absent in some cases.



Sounds disturbingly like the kind of reasoning (perhpas rationalizing would be a better word) that censors have used throughout history.

Hey, they may all have been right.

But I don't think so.
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willow tl
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 12:01 pm
I agree with Frank, cause his Avatar is soooooo sexy.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 12:03 pm
Given the difficulties which would arise with hosting this site, and links from other sites, if vulgarities came to be considered the ordinary content of this site, I think CdK's take is appopriate. In the marketplace of ideas, one can be appropriately censored in places such as this which are, for practical purposes, privately-owned public places. If you began loudly making vulgar remarks in a bar or coffee shop, and the management considered that unacceptable, it would be both legal and ethically justifiable for management to tell you to shut up or get out.

The freedom of which Frank speaks exists almost nowhere--perhaps in some homes, unless and until the homeowner becomes offended.

I think CdK does a good job here, and he knows, if no one else does, that i'm not butt kissing here.
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chatoyant
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 12:04 pm
Glad to see something is being done about this. I was afraid this site was beginning to go down the Abuzz road.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 12:05 pm
Frank,

This is a censored site. That's nothing new. You said you think there should be no line. Do you mean that?

For example, should people be allowed to post kiddy porn?

It's not the same thing and not even comparable, but just an effort to illustrate that I don't think it's a question of a line or no line, but rather where the line is.

I am required by law to censor illegal material (such as kiddy porn).

I am required by law not to host pornography without reasonable efforts to determine the age of the visitors.

There are lines, and some of them we have no choice about.

I think a more accurate position would be to say you disagree on where the line should be, not whether there should be a line at all. Because by law there already are some lines.

Sentanta,

Thanks, and more so because yes, I do know. Embarrassed
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husker
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 12:08 pm
I don't want A2K to be sterile (remember I said I enjoy it in the right place), but maybe there needs to be some sense that a topic could have mature
or offending content? Maybe that's a path to not go down.
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husker
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 12:12 pm
Here's an example for the Jokes area
Quote:
Share those jokes and other internet pearls here. Some jokes might be offensive to you so enter at your own risk. ;-)
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 12:42 pm
I don't sense there is a problem. I can't remember much that I wouldn't let my pre-teen kids see (maybe I only read the "boring" threads ?).

Can you give examples of what you think is inappropriate?
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husker
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 01:10 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
I don't sense there is a problem. I can't remember much that I wouldn't let my pre-teen kids see (maybe I only read the "boring" threads ?).

Can you give examples of what you think is inappropriate?


Would rather not bring that specific attention on anyone or subject and some may have already been adjusted.
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colorbook
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 01:17 pm
Setanta wrote:
Given the difficulties which would arise with hosting this site, and links from other sites, if vulgarities came to be considered the ordinary content of this site, I think CdK's take is appopriate. In the marketplace of ideas, one can be appropriately censored in places such as this which are, for practical purposes, privately-owned public places. If you began loudly making vulgar remarks in a bar or coffee shop, and the management considered that unacceptable, it would be both legal and ethically justifiable for management to tell you to shut up or get out.


A few guide lines to follow would be nice. In today's world, what is considered appropriate and what is not?
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Heeven
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 01:17 pm
Blast! Have I missed them? Where are these gratuitous and sexually crass postings? I've never noticed one! I like a bit of hanky panky now and again when it's meant in a fun way that people find amusing. I haven't found any threads that disturbed me and wondered where you are all seeing this.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 01:19 pm
I am not offended by much but I get bored easily by needy
- ahh, gratuity. I agree on Craven's thoughtfully drawn line, re gratuitous use, in large part because the site needs to remain a thoughtful discussion site for reasons Setanta mentioned, and further in that I don't want the site to proliferate with gratuitous usage because it can weaken discussion, which I like, indeed love.

I'm a big fan of wit, though, and sometimes vulgarity usage is part of that, or fits in a story, so I am on the side of the gratuitous-list being short.

On thread hijacking with vulgarities, that is either boring or annoying, possibly very annoying, depending on if the thread was a serious question. In that case the thread author can request it stop and get back to topic - sometimes. But in the case of new people who might be surprised by it, or a young person asking an important question, maybe some of us veterans here could bring the topic back by example.

Plus, there is the red check to alert moderator.
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