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I just got off the phone with the california apologist Osso so I had to post this;

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The government tells us what medicines we may take and what recreational substances we may ingest, but when it comes to food, we decide what goes down our gullets. Gun-owning barbecuers coexist peacefully with Humane Society vegans. To paraphrase the old adage, your freedom ends where my stomach begins.

But not everyone is keen on emancipated eating. Public health puritans, appalled at the spread of excess weight, think the government should forcefully guide our dining choices. And when it comes to policy, they are getting a place at the table.

Last week, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors voted to hose the Happy Meal. No longer would McDonald's (or any other restaurant) be allowed to provide a free toy with a meal that exceeds specified amounts of fat, sugar and calories. If the folks at the Golden Arches want to offer a Batman action figure, it will have to be flanked by fruits and vegetables.

how freaking stupid is this? My mother ate at McDonalds about 2 x year and always got a "happy meal" because she liked the toys, she collected them and put them on a shelf in her kitchen but according to numbnuts in california toys lead to obesity. the state that is bankrupt because they vote in services they can't afford and vote out taxes to pay for them. (like higher education).

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@dyslexia,

I agree
http://able2know.org/topic/163561-1

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@hawkeye10,

I apologize, I missed your thread.

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My daughter worked in publishing for nearly two years. Text books have to meet CA and TX standards. California forbids the mention of pizza, as CA deems pizza to be fattening. That means, math problems can not include dividing a 12 inch pizza among four children.

What is the difference between a pizza and grilled cheese and tomato sandwich? Format. Nutritionally, they are the same.

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@dyslexia,

I agree - pure stupidity. So what is next, they are going to prevent selling by any business of any item that is not good for you? No more candy stores will be next!

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Well, we elected Jerry Brown as governor (again). What else do you expect?

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@georgeob1,

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Well, we elected Jerry Brown as governor (again). What else do you expect?

Yeah Jerry "moonbeam" Brown, somehow I think he's an appropriate governor for California. I have not idea how the state has functioned with the capitol split between Venice Beach and Disneyland.

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@dyslexia,

Venice Beach and Disneyland are hard core reality compared to Sacramento ! the Inmates (in our case state employees unions) run the asylum.

California did, however pass ballot propositions expanding the role of citizen's commissions in resistricting state and Federal legislative districts. With some luck this will reduce the artfully gerrymandered districts that have given us a worthless collection of career legislators in Sacramento (nearly all in the pocketsd of the AFT & state empluyees unions) and in the Federal Congress.

Sadly we reelected Barbara Boxer. Perhaps there is no hope for us.

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(peeks up from drain grate, hides again)
It is crazy here.

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Grandmas are writing snippy Letters to the Editor about their rights to buy Happy Meals with toys for their grandkids...and the word Nazi appears in few of these letters...as it should.

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the fat and sugars would NOT be such a big issue if they got rid of those damn chemicals.
The additives in that so called FOOD stop our groth, slow our brain, reduce our ability to digest, cause direct organ damage.. the list goes on and on and on and on

Our bodies can HANDLE high calorie diets.
they can HANDLE high fat . In fact high fat from the right sources is a necessity.

we CANT handle the chemicals. Those are what is causing the morbid obesity. our bodies can not digest it

but it is easier for the drug companies and food industry to pass it off as if it is our own lack of responsibility and shaming us for being over weight, yet its their products that are CAUSING the issue.
You would not become morbidly obese on eating a REAL piece of ground meat and some yeast and wheat bread. Simple ingredients. Easy digestion.

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For decades our government has financially encouraged the creation and marketing of unhealthy foods which has lead to a nation that over eats and craves cheap calories. Both political parties are guilty with the history going back to the farm policies of the Nixon years (remember Earl Butz?) and the policies have continued strongly to this day. For decades our tax money has subsidized BigArga and the worst of their products, and now we are looking for obesity scapegoats in the form of little plastic toys. Maybe we should stop the subsidies that make it possible to buy a hamburger, fries, drink and trinket for under $3.

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@shewolfnm,

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Our bodies can HANDLE high calorie diets.

Not if we sit on our asses all day - and most people do nowadays.

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@Green Witch,

Actually the agricultural subsidies and quotas came in with the Democrat New Deal and FDR. Like most government giveaways these subsidies create their own collections of organized beneficiaries who lobby assiduously for the continuation and expansion of the subsidies that sustain them. Apart from raising your taxes and increasing the government deficit, the only effect they have on the food we consume is to make the prices a bit higher than they would have been without them.

I don't think it is fair to blame the government for the growing cadre of fat people in the country. That is a result of individual choices to eat too much and exercise too little. The last thing they need is an external excuse for the self-destrucvtive choices they have made on their own.

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@georgeob1,

Earl Butz = high fructose corn syrup. We didn't have so much cheap, high calorie food until his policies came on the scene. Our entire system of farming was changed by ending the smaller diverse farm and creating the corporate factory farm. I agree people make bad choices, but we are manipulated by what we are told by both the government and the corporate obsession to make a profit over the welfare of the customer. I've worked with people who are food insecure for years. It's hard to tell them to spend $4 on one loaf of whole grain bread when they get four loaves of pasty white for the same money. It's made even worse when companies like Coke and Hostess are given big tax breaks for donating cartons of their junk to food pantries.

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@georgeob1,

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Venice Beach and Disneyland are hard core reality compared to Sacramento !

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!

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@Green Witch,

Nutritionally high fructose corn syrup is no different from granulated sugar derived from cane or beets. You are suscribing to a delusional myth.

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@georgeob1,

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Nutritionally high fructose corn syrup is no different from granulated sugar derived from cane or beets. You are suscribing to a delusional myth.

We dont know yet....we do however know that the body does not react the same way to all sugars, the claim that HFCS is worse than sucrose for us is entirely plausible.

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@georgeob1,

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Nutritionally high fructose corn syrup is no different from granulated sugar derived from cane or beets. You are suscribing to a delusional myth.

This is untrue. Testing has shown that rats fed HFCS grow fat at a much higher rate than those fed cane sugar:

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A sweet problem: Princeton researchers find that high-fructose corn syrup prompts considerably more weight gain
Posted March 22, 2010; 10:00 a.m.
by Hilary Parker

A Princeton University research team has demonstrated that all sweeteners are not equal when it comes to weight gain: Rats with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained significantly more weight than those with access to table sugar, even when their overall caloric intake was the same.

In addition to causing significant weight gain in lab animals, long-term consumption of high-fructose corn syrup also led to abnormal increases in body fat, especially in the abdomen, and a rise in circulating blood fats called triglycerides. The researchers say the work sheds light on the factors contributing to obesity trends in the United States.

"Some people have claimed that high-fructose corn syrup is no different than other sweeteners when it comes to weight gain and obesity, but our results make it clear that this just isn't true, at least under the conditions of our tests," said psychology professor Bart Hoebel, who specializes in the neuroscience of appetite, weight and sugar addiction. "When rats are drinking high-fructose corn syrup at levels well below those in soda pop, they're becoming obese -- every single one, across the board. Even when rats are fed a high-fat diet, you don't see this; they don't all gain extra weight."

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The first study showed that male rats given water sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup in addition to a standard diet of rat chow gained much more weight than male rats that received water sweetened with table sugar, or sucrose, in conjunction with the standard diet. The concentration of sugar in the sucrose solution was the same as is found in some commercial soft drinks, while the high-fructose corn syrup solution was half as concentrated as most sodas.

http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/

Who here is subscribing to the delusional myth? I submit that it is yourself. You should try googling stuff like this before posting. This information took less than 30 seconds to find.

Cycloptichorn

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of course its not true.

No one would work SO hard to attempt to defend something if it really were safe for you.

You dont see commercials 'defending broccoli' or telling you that broccoli in moderation is ok for you.
You dont ever see marketing like that in place for something safe, only when something isnt and you need to be convinced otherwise.
hfcs is dangerous to the human body. Period

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