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Fact Check The Election Season

 
 
littlek
 
Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 07:27 am
It's that time again. Politicians running for mid-term elections are attacking their opponents and in doing so, stretching truths where ever they may be found. I want to get a list of fact check websites going. It'd be interesting to see if different sites come up with the same facts....

NPR: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130266954&sc=fb&cc=fp
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 07:30 am
i figure someone should just start a website called They All Lie dot com and just post pics of all the candidates, that would certainly make it easier
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 07:33 am
true dat.
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failures art
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 07:43 am
I'm kind of cynical that fact even matter anymore. We've left the information age, we are well into the opinion age. That idiotic GOP "Pledge to America" was ripped to shreds by Factcheck.org, but it won't matter because those who believe it (or at least believe in the idea of it) won't ever dare venture near a fact checking source.

I think we need a new web service that fact checks, but also tracks who comes and reads the facts.

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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 07:47 am
@failures art,
Regardless of what individual people out THERE believe, I am interested in whether facts are indeed facts. I mean, if three different fact-check sites report on an ad, I believe they will come up with three different perspectives and three different spins on those perspectives.

Well. I guess I am agreeing with your opinion statement.
littlek
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 07:48 am
I think we should have a meta-fact-check site. One site that collects data from major fact-check sites to see if they can make sense of the data - or use them to make a fact-check trend.
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failures art
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 07:49 am
@littlek,
Sorry. Don't mind me. I'm grumpy this morning. I think my mood is a vote for tea instead of coffee.

Yes, I'm interested in fact checking as well.

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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 07:51 am
@failures art,
I wasn't offended.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 07:53 am
http://www.factcheck.org/
http://politifact.com/
http://www.snopes.com/politics/politics.asp
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-02-fact-check_N.htm
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failures art
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 09:37 am
I think this piece is particularly a good read: Did the Stimulus Create Jobs?

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Fact Check wrote:
The economic stimulus package is a favorite target of Republican candidates and groups, but more than a few ads falsely claim it did not create or save any jobs. Some recent examples:

* Republican House candidate Dan Debicella charges that Democratic Rep. Jim Himes failed Connecticut’s families because he voted for a "stimulus package that has done nothing to reduce unemployment."
* Rick Scott, the Republican candidate for governor in Florida, says Democrat Alex Sink "backed the failed stimulus bill, which created debt, not jobs."
* Similarly, Sink — who never served in Congress and didn’t vote on the bill — is attacked by the Republican Party of Florida in an ad that says the stimulus "gave us big debt and no jobs."
* Americans for Prosperity, a conservative group that does not have to disclose its donors, aired an ad against Democratic congressional candidate Denny Heck of Washington that claimed the "$787 billion stimulus … failed to save and create jobs." The group has launched similar ads against other Democrats.
* Kristi Noem, a Republican House candidate from South Dakota, calls the measure a "jobless stimulus."

The truth is that the stimulus increased employment by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million people, compared with what employment would have been otherwise. That’s according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

I've had my tea now.

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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 10:01 am
Wow, that must be hard to quantify!
dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 10:20 am
@littlek,
economics is not an exact science.
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ccdemuth
 
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Reply Mon 4 Oct, 2010 06:33 am
Building a new majority in the House of Representatives is the most direct route to bringing balance to a government that is spinning out of control on spending, taxes, and regulation. Jim Himes is part of the problem who consistently votes with Nancy Pelosi whenever she needs him. Dan Debicella is part of the solution because he is challenging a vulnerable freshman in a pivotal district in one of the most competitive election battles in the country. Whether or not you live and vote in Fairfield County, the vote in this district could have a big impact upon your family and your country.

Dan has a different set of values – in his own words, he is running for Congress "to restore the values of free enterprise and individual liberty to Washington. Fairfield County families want practical solutions on the economy, healthcare, and transportation. I will use my background as a businessman and a State Senator to implement new ideas to get our economy growing again and create jobs for our families".

Over vocal opposition from voters, the current Congress has pushed measures that are making our country poorer, more vulnerable, and less free. It is time to push back. If you are interested in learning more about Dan, check out his website:

http://www.debicella.com
Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 4 Oct, 2010 06:56 am
@ccdemuth,
You must have been reading the Pledge to America, in which the GOP promises to return the country to failed Bush policies of borrow and spend and the elimination of oversight and regulation. It was his policies that brought us a net job loss over ten years (first in history), banks that became, in essence, hedge funds, sleazy sub-prime mortgage loans, torture, corruption, etc. Moreover, privatizing social security and Medicare is a prescription for disaster. (Check with the Brits who went through this relative to their version of social security.)
rabel22
 
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Reply Mon 4 Oct, 2010 12:43 pm
@Advocate,
ccdemuth must be a republican operative or able to add 2+2 and come up with 5.
failures art
 
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Reply Mon 4 Oct, 2010 01:08 pm
@rabel22,
...only for large values of 2.

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