@fresco,
Quote:are you saying you are "a believer" in (a) a deity
Gimme a break fresco. First you put words into my mouth which are not true and now you're asking daft questions. How would I know anything about a deity in the sense you mean it? It must be easy thinking where you work.
I think there's is a necessity for social discipline in any culture that goes by the name of "a civilisation". For sure. I don't believe it--it's a fact.
And I don't think divine authority is the best way to provide social discipline. Which is the best way is a matter of the circumstances. I would only argue that it is the cheapest on a bang for bucks basis and the most humane in its modern form. I'm not interested in its old fashioned forms in this context.
And it is breaking down. The question is how far to let it break down, and it is good fun I'll admit, before circumstances change enough to require building it back up again. We seem, as a collective, to be somewhere near a balance point. Those who support the religious think, possibly unconsciously, that once it falls to the breakdown side it keeps going all the way. Science making eight armed chocolate packing operatives to free up funds for more jobs in science, if you don't mind my fanciful metaphor. Some sense of the heebie-jeebies which you will know from your reading has dogged the heels of science since the beginning. Not strong. Not paranoid or anything. Just a funny sense of something Quatermassy lurking in the shadows.
It has nothing to do with other species. They **** where they are. They get eaten. I've heard that cows have social discipline but I'm not thinking along the lines of a herd of cows. As soon as they fall short of the economic milk quota they shoot them and can them. And I'm surprised an English gentleman would even hint at such a thing never mind suggest it. What about the dung beetle? That's seriously discplined.
When power is sought only absolute power satisfies. Hey--that's as good as Lord Acton's remark. Better, now I think about it. Greatness should be thrust upon one. the Science/Philosophy/The Paperwork Party/The Lower Middle Class/Mass Media coalition envies the power of the Church. It will envy it until the Church has been stripped of all power. Not just some of it. It wants all power. And what it has won since the so called Age of Enlightenment is the battlefield of its internal power struggles which we like to think are neatly balanced.
I know it isn't true in your case fresco but I often wonder if the wizard sophistry of the anti-religious first took flight on the back row of a cinema or in a bathing hut at Bognor Regis.