JTT
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 05:55 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
I will search for it and find it ...


The onus is on you, Ionus. I'll look for it when I see pigs arcing across the sky.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 06:02 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
[Afghanistan] also ran more terrorist camps than the rest put together.


Quote:

America’s Terrorist Training Camp
Posted October 30, 2001
What’s the difference between Al Qaeda and Fort Benning?

By George Monbiot. Published in the Guardian 30th October 2001

“If any government sponsors the outlaws and killers of innocents,” George Bush announced on the day he began bombing Afghanistan, “they have become outlaws and murderers themselves. And they will take that lonely path at their own peril.” I’m glad he said “any government”, as there’s one which, though it has yet to be identified as a sponsor of terrorism, requires his urgent attention.

For the past 55 years it has been running a terrorist training camp, whose victims massively outnumber the people killed by the attack on New York, the embassy bombings and the other atrocities laid, rightly or wrongly, at Al-Qaeda’s door. The camp is called the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, or WHISC. It is based in Fort Benning, Georgia, and it is funded by Mr Bush’s government.

Until January this year, WHISC was called “the School of the Americas”, or SOA. Since 1946 SOA has trained over 60,000 Latin American soldiers and policemen. Among its graduates are many of the continent’s most notorious torturers, mass murderers, dictators and state terrorists. As hundreds of pages of documentation compiled by the pressure group SOA Watch shows, Latin America has been ripped apart by its alumni.

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2001/10/30/americas-terrorist-training-camp/


[added emphasis is mine]

Why do you so revile the rule of law, Ionus.

Why do you have such an uncommon affection for terrorism and crimes against humanity?

Why do you harbor such a distaste for truth and honesty?

Is that what you were schooled in for those 24 years?
Diane
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2010 12:05 am
@JTT,
A quote posted by JTT...

Quote:
And Greg Mortenson, an American, has no trouble working with the Taliban. He has built about 131 schools in remote areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan with not a one attacked or harmed in any way, students included, some 58,000 of them.


And many of the fathers in those villages insisted that their daughters be educated along with their sons.

If we spent just one half of the military budget in Afghanistan on schools and education, the results would be astounding.

Instead of bombing missions and troops being sent into remote villages, accidentally killing innocent villagers, we could send in teachers (with no religious agenda), the changes would be dramatically different .

The Cups of Tea should be required reading in our schools, our government and the pentagon. The trouble is that very few would take it seriously. It seems so innocent, so gentle, that the huge success of Mortenson would be thought of as unimportant, even with the detailed story of building schools with the help of the villagers and the changes made in the lives of the students, both boys and girls.

Maybe we in this country are so used to using war as a remedy for everything that honest, constructive work is thought of as naive and misguided.

If you haven't read The Cups of Tea, please do. It will surprise and inspire you.

For a sinister read of how the industrial countries save money on slave labor, read Invisible People. I can't remember the author's name.

JTT
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2010 10:07 am
@Diane,
Excellent post, Diane.

A small correction if I may be so bold. The book is called,
Three Cups of Tea.

Quote:
The book's title comes from a Balti proverb: "The first time you share tea with a Balti, you are a stranger. The second time you take tea, you are an honored guest. The third time you share a cup of tea, you become family..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Cups_of_Tea


Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 05:34 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
I'll look for it when I see pigs arcing across the sky.
What you really mean is you will never change your mind. You are sadly locked into a dysfunctional unreality.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 05:37 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
dysfunctional unreality
interesting phrase,
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 05:39 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Why do you so revile the rule of law, Ionus.
Are you referring to Shia law ? Have you broken any capital laws today ?
Quote:
Why do you have such an uncommon affection for terrorism and crimes against humanity?
If you bothered to read your own posts ( God knows why I do) you would see your affection for any terrorists who are against the west.
Quote:
Why do you harbor such a distaste for truth and honesty?
Why do you think such an illformed and hopelessly biased opinion will affect me in the slightest ?
Quote:
Is that what you were schooled in for those 24 years?
I was defending your right to make a complete fool of yourself. I was successful.

Why dont you join Al Quada ? You would look good impersonating Darth Vader in 50 degree heat. I am sure your views as a woman would be welcomed.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 05:41 pm
@Diane,
Quote:
we could send in teachers (with no religious agenda), the changes would be dramatically different .
You could do the same for USA ghettos but it would have to be safe first. Perhaps you would like to go to Afghanistan and teach ?

Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 05:44 pm
@dyslexia,
Quote:
Quote:
dysfunctional unreality
interesting phrase,
I made it up with no regard to the restraints of a common language..... Very Happy
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Diane
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 01:07 am
@Ionus,
Read the book, Ionus. Perhaps you would like to join Greg Mortenson.
Diane
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 01:10 am
@JTT,
Too tired sometimes, especially when up against a "wall."

Many thanks for the correction.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 04:56 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
What you really mean is you will never change your mind.


That's not at all what I said. I said that the onus is on you to provide proof for your allegation.

Your various, and numerous song and dance routines indicate that that will happen when pigs arc across the sky.
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 06:08 pm
@Diane,
I dont support anyone riking their lives to build the place when it is too dangerous. You quote one person and say it would be the same for everyone everywhere. You have found the exception that proves the rule.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 06:12 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Quote:
What you really mean is you will never change your mind.
That's not at all what I said.
Be honest. Your while attitude of holier than thou, of turning against your own people has you twisted to the point where there can never be anything that would change your mind. It is too important for you to believe that breast feeding women have their breasts cut off. You are a asicko who relishes misery whilst pretending to care when you would be lost without it. What would be your cause if you didnt have war ?
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 07:18 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
Be honest.


be honest, the temerity of this guy, or much more likely the arrant stupidity.

You've not addressed any issue head on and now you're back to your fantasies. Next, you'll recycle the 101st story or some other inane thing.

There are numerous sources just on this thread which you have studiously avoided that show you to be incapable of addressing facts.

JTT
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 07:19 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
that breast feeding women have their breasts cut off.


Jesus, you are dumb, Ionus. You can't even keep what you read straight. You invent with a recklessness that is beckish in nature.
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 07:23 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
You've not addressed any issue head on
What a blatantly stupid thing to say. You ARE the issue. You only see faults with your own side. This is called a back stabbing traitor...have you heard that before ? It was never mentioned in the grab for money books you read ?

You know nothing of war crimes apart from what others have told you. You denigrate experience because you have none. You attack your own side because if you attacked the other side they would tie a bomb to you.

You are a coward attempting to bully your own side because they tolerate your ignorance, but you wont go live with those peace loving hippy commune style terrorists, will you ?
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 07:26 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Quote:
that breast feeding women have their breasts cut off.
Jesus, you are dumb, Ionus. You can't even keep what you read straight.
Enlighten us, O Saviour of the World, O Mighty One with Knowledge but NO Experience, who has the Only True Conscience....
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 10:28 pm
@Ionus,
No, I'm not the issue. You'd like to make me the issue but for the most part I've been quoting US government officials, John Stockwell, the highest ranking ever CIA agent to pull the plug in order to tell of the murder, rape and torture that is endemic to the CIA/the US government, other former CIA agents, Noam Chomsky and many other US academics, some Canadian ones, you know, Ionus, all the ones that you've totally ignored, and now, for a little balance, we have some Australian comments:

Aussie

I have not vomited, but the tears have been flowing from me, and others, since the first pictures came through. Our disgrace continues here in Australia with our treatment of refugees from that war-torn area. Your anger is my anger, but I could never feel the terrible pain your people endure.

=====================

Awol in Australia

I too felt sick and disgusted that the nation where I live should take part in these travesties. Nowadays I just feel numb and await the time when the same psychopathic entities visit their advanced destruction techniques upon the place where I live. Since 2003 I have not contributed in any way to this society, until it changes I go my own way

=======================

See comments section of http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26291.htm

You've been hanging awfully close to the Wall. You should get out more, get a little sunshine, learn a thing or two.


JTT
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 10:29 pm
@Ionus,
I just did enlighten you. You can't even keep straight the things you read.
 

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