When Is A Pyramid Not A Pyramid?

I have two temples, one on each side of my head. I don't believe in pyramids, it against my religion, I am a practicing Druid. OK, now that we have all had a few laughs, are we helping someone with a homework assignment or a college paper? I'm a big advocate for libraries if homework or the like is on the table.

when ideas become reality

Almost everything written is evidence; but no proof...

when the geometry is wrong

Geometry as a conception of physical reality is never wrong... Reality is always wrong in regard to its conception...

A WOULD BE NICE SENTENCE...I JUST DON´T GET THE SECOND PART, ONCE THAT, PHENOMENOLOGICAL REALITY, ITS NOT EVEN REAL FOR ITSELF BUT AGAIN ANOTHER COMPONENT OF TRUTH...

But wouldn't it no longer be a pyramid once it's not a pyramid? Technically, never? Nothing can not be what it is?? -confused- :s

No real pyramid totally fits the concept of a pyramid which is perfect, and no conception of a pyramid, which is the same as a pyramid and is perfect- is real... There is an anological relationship between our concepts and our reality that can never be bridged...

I wish you could enlighten us where thus such concept comes from, and how it comes about with some detail...use neuroscience for instance.

On my part concept plains off complexity´s and roughness to an extent of simplicity so great that often gives the illusive impression of achieving perfection through it...

...a gross mistake !...

What about those little models that we had back in grade school? Or at least I did.

Equality is a strange sort of concept that we must always accept without absolute proof... Do you believe it is possible for two pennies to weigh exactly the same, or are we only suffering our inexactness of measure... Is close enough, close enough???....

Everyone knows the pyramids in Egypt, and it is hard to say they are not pyramids since they have sort of set the standard... But if we should design a five sided object which of necessity have one square side, and four triangular sides all meeting at a single point, then we must rely on the concept of equality, since a square has equal sides, as the Eqyptian pyramids do not... I suffer an intuition that tells me no square has equal sides, and that no two sides of a triangle are equal, and no two faces of a pyramid are equal, and that even with the help of machines and computers that no such objects can be created, even though they can be approximated closely... So perfection, and equality as a sort of perfection is a part of the moral world of concepts... The perfect and ideal are part of the moral world of concepts, but our concepts while perfect are hardly complete -while our physical objects though far less than perfect are complete... We understand reality by way of ideals and forms that are perfect, because imperfections as reality is made of is infinte and the infinites cannot be conceived of...

Who's confused???

You are.

Esplain it to me, master.

I think that you did a very good job of explaining yourself! Do not get me wrong because you were speaking a little over my head but I do think that I do see your concept and it does seem as it may be true.
Can anyone explain to me how it is not so?

Me. I am at a complete loss. To explain how confused I am here's a scenario:
This is why I am confused.

Because isn't the definition of a pyramid, a 3D object, that has a base with 3 or more sides. And all triangle faces that meet at a point. Or something of that matter. I'm kind of typing it from memory.

Hi Guys!

What the blue blazes are you all talking about?

Fido: The concept of a pyramid is not a pyramid; It is a concept, ergo - The train of thought you are proposing is relative only to 'concepts'. When is a concept not a concept? Never.

I used the word 'pyramid' in this thread because it popped into my head, not because it is geometrically relevant.

A pyramid is completely and entirely a pyramid for the duration of it having the relative characteristics of a pyramid. When the characteristics are no longer pyramidal, it ceases to be a pyramid, ergo it is no longer what it was. but is what it has become.

No thing can be what it is not.

Mark..

If I may correct you: From the perspective of humanity which is the only perspective that counts; Everything is what it is not... It is through our concepts/forms/ideas that we know reality, and when we say what a thing is, it is the concept which is formed, and when we learn something new about the reality we are considering it is the concept which is modified by more true knowledge, and while we can never say of reality What it is, with any accuracy, we can always say that of our concepts, because our concepts are all fact, only what we know with gaps in knowledge all glossed over, and set in relation to all other concepts, that is, classified and organized...

And when we say something of an object, say, of a pyramid what we reference is the concept of the pyramid and the presumption is, as you will not have it, that the concept is the object, so that when we say the name, and the name is essential to the concept, that the concept means the object, and the object and concept are united by their common meaning... The concept points to the object, and without the concept the object would be meaningless, indefined, and without distinct character, perhaps phenomenon, and perhaps fitting into the background of unrecognized phenemena... Being is a certain meaning, that is, an object having the meaning of being which is a meaning certain among uncertainties... But our concepts recognizing only what we do know- as being only represents a fraction unknown of what can be known of existence and objects... So whether we are refering to dogs or to pyramids we are refering to an unknown as though known, and if it is unknown, then the knowledge such as we have must include the view of what it is in fact as well as false information, that is: WHAT it is NOT...

I am not saying concepts are real, and reality is unreal... Concepts point to, mean, the whole object known and unknown which is what it is, that is, what is known, and what is unknown, -that IT IS NOT- with any certainty...

Only when we classify knowledge of what we consider different objects can we say based upon our concepts what a thing is compared to what it is not... We can say a pyramid is not a square, but we are talking purely of concepts and how they differ from other concepts because if we were to compare pyramids with pyramids in reality we would find their differences too great to make sense of... However a pyramid is defined, it never fits its definition, so it IS NOTwhat it clearly IS -in gross... Let me put it another way: Pyramids are concepts, and in reality all pyramids are pyramidal, pyramidical, or pyramidic...

Your definition is closer to correct than mine... It is almost impossible to define a pyramid as different from a cone from what I can see since we can only measure a circle by squaring it as far as I know... But I do not know math at all... I sweat bullets doing my taxes, and that without cheating... I would probably float away on a river of sweat if I had to cheat... Some people are good at lying and I can't even tell the truth...

mn, My thinking exactly! A pyramid is always a pyramid. Another shape would have another name and description.

It is a point missed by many cic, that different names point to different concepts...