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Thomas Jefferson On Judaism
From Lenni Brenner
[email][email protected][/email]
9-21-3



As you know, Zionist Israel is ethnically discriminatory and religiously bigoted. With that in mind, I just taped a video show for the American Atheist network, and prepared a list of statements from Thomas Jefferson on Judaism. I pass these on to you, in the hope that they will be useful in helping to explain to Americans who believe in his celebrated "wall of separation between Church & State," that they can't vote for any party that subsidizes a theocratic state like Israel.

Any reasonable person reading his statements will immediately understand that, were he alive today, he would never support sending US taxpayers' money to an Orthodox Jewish state, or any state with an established religion.

Stay well, give 'em hell,

Lenni [email][email protected][/email]

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To John Adams, October 13, 1813

To compare the morals of the Old, with those of the New Testament, would require an attentive study of the former, a search through all it's books for it's precepts, and through all its history for its practices, and the principles they prove. As commentaries, too, on these, the philosophy of the Hebrews must be enquired into, their Mishna, their Gemara, Cabbala, Jezirah, Sohar, Cosri, and their Talmud must be examined and understood, in order to do them full justice. Brucker, it should seem, has gone deeply into these repositories of their ethics, and Enfield, his epitomizer, concludes in these words: "Ethics were so little studied among the Jews, that, in their whole compilation called the Talmud, there is only one treatise on moral subjects. Their books of morals chiefly consisted in a minute enumeration of duties. From the law of Moses were deduced 613 precepts, which were divided into two classes, affirmative and negative, 248 in the former, and 365 in the latter. It may serve to give the reader some idea of the low state of moral philosophy among the Jews in the Middle age, to add that of the 248 affirmative precepts, only three were considered as obligatory upon women, and that in order to obtain salvation, it was judged sufficient to fulfill any one single law in the hour of death; the observance of the rest being deemed necessary, only to increase the felicity of the future life. What a wretched depravity of sentiment and manners must have prevailed before such corrupt maxims could have obtained credit! It is impossible to collect from these writings a consistent series of moral Doctrine." Enfield, B. 4. chapter 3. It was the reformation of this "wretched depravity" of morals which Jesus undertook.

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To Charles Thomson, January 9, 1816

I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call me infidel and themselves Christians and preachers of the Gospel, while they draw all their characteristic dogmas from what its author never said nor saw. They have compounded from the heathen mysteries a System beyond the comprehension of man, of which the great reformer of the vicious ethics and deism of the Jews, were he to return on earth, would not recognize one feature.

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To Mordecai Noah, May 28, 1818

I thank you for the Discourse on the consecration of the Synagogue in your city, with which you have been pleased to favor me. I have read it with pleasure and instruction, having learnt from it some valuable facts in Jewish history which I did not know before. Your sect by its sufferings has furnished a remarkable proof of the universal spirit of religious intolerance inherent in every sect, disclaimed by all while feeble, and practiced by all when in power. Our laws have applied the only antidote to this vice, protecting our religious, as they do our civil rights, by putting all on an equal footing.

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To Ezra Stiles Ely, June 25, 1819

I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know. I am not a Jew, and therefore do not adopt their theology, which supposes the god of infinite justice to punish the sins of the fathers upon their children, unto the 3d. and 4th. generation:

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To William Short, October 31, 1819

But the greatest of all the reformers of the depraved religion of his own country, was Jesus of Nazareth. Abstracting what is really his from the rubbish in which it is buried, easily distinguished by its luster from the dross of his biographers, and as separable from that as the diamond from the dunghill, we have the outlines of a system of the most sublime morality which has ever fallen from the lips of man; outlines which it is lamentable he did not live to fill up

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To William Short, August 4, 1820

There are, I acknowledge, passages not free from objection, which we may, with probability, ascribe to Jesus himself; but claiming indulgence from the circumstances under which he acted. His object was the reformation of some articles in the religion of the Jews, as taught by Moses. That sect had presented for the object of their worship, a being of terrific character, cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust. Jesus, taking for his type the best qualities of the human head and heart, wisdom, justice, goodness, and adding to them power, ascribed all of these, but in infinite perfection, to the Supreme Being, and formed him really worthy of their adoration. Moses had either not believed in a future state of existence, or had not thought it essential to be explicitly taught to his people. Jesus inculcated that doctrine with emphasis and precision. Moses had bound the Jews to many idle ceremonies, mummeries and observances, of no effect towards producing the social utilities which constitute the essence of virtue; Jesus exposed their futility and insignificance. The one instilled into his people the most anti-social spirit towards other nations; the other preached philanthropy and universal charity and benevolence. The office of reformer of the superstitions of a nation, is ever dangerous. Jesus had to walk on the perilous confines of reason and religion: and a step to right or left might place him within the gripe of the priests of the superstition, a blood thirsty race, as cruel and remorseless as the being whom they represented as the family God of Abraham, of Isaac and of Jacob, and the local God of Israel.


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From Spacek
9-22-3

At the end, where Moses 'doctrines' are questioned, I believe Moses was misrepresented and calumnized, in the Bible, which as you know, is bogus, beyond, any doubt. I think Moses was an Avatar, carrying the Christ Energy, to those of the Hebrews who could be saved and instructed, by it's grace. He was persecuted by his 'brother' Aaron, the root of the bloodthirsty tribe and may have been killed by this jealous, meanspirited demon. All Avatars are persecuted, libeled and often murdered, by those of the evil godling, who is no True God of love and justice. Moses, Pentateush, was redacted, plagiarized and turned 180 degrees from the truth, he preached, to fool, mislead and destroy the truth and those seeking it. All the books of 'knowledge' have been corrupted, to suit the whims of the evil godling.



Mr. Brenner is the author of 4 books, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators, The Iron Wall: Zionist Revisionism from Jabotinsky to Shamir, Jews in America Today, and The Lesser Evil: The Democratic Party. His books have been favorably reviewed in 10 languages by prominent publications, including the London Times, The London Review of Books, Moscow's Izvestia and the Jerusalem Post.

He has written over 100 articles for many publications, including the Amsterdam News, the Anderson Valley Advertizer, the Atlanta Constitution, CounterPunch, the Jewish Guardian, the Nation, the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, Middle East Policy, Middle East International, the Journal of Palestine Studies, the New Statesman of London, Al-Fajr in Jerusalem and the United Irishman in Dublin.

He is presently editing a collection of documents re Zionist collaboration with Hitler.

For more of Lenni Brenner's provocative articles, see:

http://www.angelfire.com/co4/eccmei/J/host/brenner.html





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Reply Mon 3 May, 2010 08:16 am
@mapleleaf cv,
mapleleaf;71537 wrote:
Thomas Jefferson On Judaism
From Lenni Brenner
[email][email protected][/email]
9-21-3



As you know, Zionist Israel is ethnically discriminatory and religiously bigoted. With that in mind, I just taped a video show for the American Atheist network, and prepared a list of statements from Thomas Jefferson on Judaism. I pass these on to you, in the hope that they will be useful in helping to explain to Americans who believe in his celebrated "wall of separation between Church & State," that they can't vote for any party that subsidizes a theocratic state like Israel.


I agree. We shouldn't support or subsidize a theocratic state.
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2010 08:20 am
@mapleleaf cv,
mapleleaf;71537 wrote:
Any reasonable person reading his statements will immediately understand that, were he alive today, he would never support sending US taxpayers' money to an Orthodox Jewish state, or any state with an established religion.
If that is true then he would oppose our helping to defend Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. We are helping one Jewish state and a lot of Muslim states. It you really think the US shouldn't help countries that have established religions wouldn't it be better to stop the aid to Muslim states first?
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