That's the problem. You don't always win. Because we're not convinced. I'll tell you this right now: your opinions are different. Both of you think you yourself are right, and not the other person. And here's the thing: you're both not exactly right. Does minimum wage actually harm poor people? Supposedly, yes. It makes the skilled worker get hired more often, theoretically. Also, theoretically, capitalistic competition would spur wage raise. However, in reality, as shown by the industrial development of several countries, no minimum wage simply meant everybody was paid at the lowest price. Even though there was competition, ultimately the laborers were all paid low, and it was their only option.
So I'm done in this debate with both of you. Even though I haven't really argued against Jack because I originally was debating with Neurosport only, I've read some of his posts. This is exactly the thing that separates Democrats and Republicans and why I don't believe in the left-right paradigm: no matter how "trivial" the topics are, Democrats and Republicans will always have different methods of dealing with it. And debating about those methods gets us nowhere because neither side admits the other side is right; you're sort of like Josef, Neuro, except not crazy. Josef always thought that he was winning all the arguments, even though no one agreed with him. His logic? "You guys only disagree because I'm right." That's sort of what you're doing here.
if all i know is soundbites why do i always win - here or elsewhere
The truth is, nobody has won so far. I've agreed with some of your points even. But you're not willing to agree at all with Jack or me on any of our points. And Jack isn't willing to agree with your points. So NEUROSPORT, I have to agree with Jack on this: you're a hypocrite (Jack claimed you were a "bigot") because you called him closed-minded and unable to comprehend things repeatedly when actually you aren't able to either.
EDIT: Furthermore, debate is not about winning. Even if people agree with you, you haven't "won". And you only think you're winning yourself; both Jack and me don't think you're "winning", nor will many other people on this forum if you bring them in, probably. And it doesn't matter if the homeless guy thinks he's rich because he has $100; every else thinks he's poor. Doesn't matter if the guy holding trillions thinks he's poor; everyone else will think he's rich. And the poor man will continue to live in poverty unless some stroke of ultimate luck comes to him whether he thinks he's poor or not, and the rich man will continue to live in richness whether he thinks he's rich or not.
So whether you think so or not, you haven't won yet. Nobody has. And the point of debating is not to win.