Carico

Lol this is crap and its ticking me off having to jump from post to post so I'm challenging you, on this post, to justify your accusations.

Accusations You've Made:

1. Humans are not animals

Tell me, how are we not humans? Also, don't pull the talking animals crap, you're just taking something that isn't all that absurd yet sounds a bit absurd and trying to manipulate it to win an argument and that is bullcrap. Offer fact that we are not animals. To do so try answering some of the following questions

a. If humans are not animals then what are they?
b. Assuming that we are not animals then what is the difference between humans and animals?
c. Why can't we be animals?

All 'animal' is, is a word that describes what we are... I don't know how to put it exactly... See your problem, is that you objectify everything... Animal is just and idea it is our understanding of things.


2. Atheists = Evolutionists

You have, in your '"History" according to atheists' post, applied the label evolutionists to all atheists... There is no basis for this assumption, not all atheists are evolutionists, they are two different things. Some evolutionists are atheists but not all atheists are evolutionists.

a. Define atheists, and evolutionists.
b. How are the two connected?
c. Argue how atheists are evolutionists

3. Atheists Debating Tactics

This one is a very stupid post you made... You offer all these thoughts, but nothing to back them up... You're just slurring things without building a foundation first... See this is how you must do it 1st you present an idea, 2nd you offer sources or evidence or something supporting the idea and THEN you offer your ideas on that idea... Not everyone does that on here but its a basic format which you have fallen very far from

a. Offer a quote, source or some sort of evidence to back up the claim
b. Try proving some of it wrong instead of just stating that it is false try forming a productive thought and building upon it

Well the above are my questions for you, I am not forcing you to answer them just challenging you to. (Admin if this is an 'illegal' action or something, my bad, but I don't think it is...)

1) scientists can differentiate between humans and animal DNA very easily. So we are separate from animals.

2) Even children can recognize the difference between humans and animals on sight.

humans have the capacity to understand concepts higher than bodily gratification. That makes us separate from ALL animals.

But if that's not enough for you then I'll give you the dictionary's definition of an animal;

"A living organism that feeds on organic matter, usu. with specialized sense organs and a nervous system, and able to respond rapidly to stimuli. Such an organism other than a human being."

3) If what I said about atheists wasn't true, then please tell us;

Who the first speaking humans were and what language they spoke, then provide documentation for your claims.

Who the first Jew was, where the term "Semite" came from, what he did and where he lived. Judging by the posts on this forum, the "history" that atheists have come up with is as varied as each individual imagination. So let's hear your version of Jewish history.

One can't prove to atheists that they are wrong because they lie incessantly by claiming they don't lie.

So? Scientists can distinguish a dog from a cat. What does that mean? They are different species.

They are TOLD what animals are and what humans are. The categoric classification is one that is taught to them. The ability to distinguish one's own species from other species is instinctive.

So do most animals. We have an elephant that can paint. Prairie dogs have a complex communication system comprising hundreds of different barks and squeaks each with it's own meaning. Most mammals nurture their young. Chimpanzees have very strong social bonds and hierarchies.

You know as much about zoology as you do about anthropology.

I got a very different definition:

Animal

n.

any member of the kingdom Animalia, comprising multicellular organisms that have a well-defined shape and usually limited growth, can move voluntarily, actively acquire food and digest it internally, and have sensory and nervous systems that allow them to respond rapidly to stimuli: some classification schemes also include protozoa and certain other single-celled eukaryotes that have motility and animallike nutritional modes.

None of the above has any relevance to what atheist's believe because atheist only share one thing in common. Disbelief in god

1) scientists can differentiate between humans and animal DNA very easily. So we are separate from animals.

False... All animals have different DNA its not like all their DNA is similar and then ours is some alien thing... So scientists equally can't differentiate the DNA of an Ass and a Horse even though they are related! DNA is what makes the animal THE ANIMAL. If you want to further argue that subject you will have to present a source on it, something to back it up instead of just imaginative bull crap.

2) Even children can recognize the difference between humans and animals on sight. But since you cannot, then unlike any animal, humans have the capacity to understand concepts higher than bodily gratification. That makes us separate from ALL animals.

If you spoke to a dog (hypothetically here) do you think that the dog would think he was stupid and man was smart? Or would the dog just think that he was the best thing since sliced bread, different, better NOT an animal... Its what I once dubbed speciel pride. Also you offer no evidence for this assumption, merely what you imagine. Offer a quote, new story ANYTHING that talks about a kid seeing the difference between humans and animals. Hell give me a source about humans being different from animals, give me SOMETHING besides your wild imagination.

But if that's not enough for you then I'll give you the dictionary's definition of an animal;

"A living organism that feeds on organic matter, usu. with specialized sense organs and a nervous system, and able to respond rapidly to stimuli. Such an organism other than a human being."


See that was good.[/color]

Here's the dictionary's definition of a human: "Of or characteristic of people as opposed to God, or animals or machines." But since atheists claim that what can be proven true is false, then of course, nothing logical can be proven to an atheist.

Now this is your imagination... Dictionary.com says NOTHING about a god.

3) If what I said about atheists wasn't true, then please tell us;

Who the first speaking humans were and what language they spoke, then provide documentation for your claims.

You are assuming that we know EVERYTHING about history. We don't know for a fact who the first speaking humans were or what language they spoke. 1. That would be amazing 2. I don't know how to put this part... You're looking at things like they are solid... Languages aren't objects they are concepts. Languages aren't just made and named, historians usually name languages.

Who the first Jew was, where the term "Semite" came from, what he did and where he lived. Judging by the posts on this forum, the "history" that atheists have come up with is as varied as each individual imagination. So let's hear your version of Jewish history.

How the hell did we get on the subject of Jews? We also can't know who the first Jew was, thats a bull crap question. Who was the first Ethiopian? It is very hard to determine such a thing, so for this I offer no debate because there is none, it is also not a very powerful question.

However, Semite from the Biblical "Shem", Hebrew: שם, translated as "name", Arabic: ساميّ. Semite Wiki History is a very varied subject buddy... Barely anything is fact in history for there is nothing that we can know for sure. We don't even ABSOLUTELY know if ANY of its true, as a Theist would say, you must have faith. You're the one trusting your historical concept with a bunch of thousand + year old dead guys. Not even human history but the history of the universe aswell.

One can't prove to atheists that they are wrong because they lie incessantly by claiming they don't lie.

I have offered no lies in this reply. I have posted onyl things I can back up with sources, if there were no sources then I did not offer an answer but I offered a reason. You are being intolerant and stubborn and one should not debate that way.

Neither a dog or cat is humans. So as usual, you didn't address my comment. :rolleyes:

Precisely my point; blind faith is something written in a science book regardless of how much it contradicts reality.

:rollinglaugh: I look forward to the first dissertation by a giraffe. :rollinglaugh: I'm sure only scientists are expecting it any day.

And you've shown that you don't know anything about the birds and the bees.

I'll stick with the dictionary's definition since it agrees with reality and your definition does not.

So if you don't believe in evolution, then why do you defend a story you don't believe? :eek: But one thing you do prove; you believe that contradictions are the truth. :rollinglaugh:

Sorry, but dogs and cats are both animals. But unlike any animals, humans have the capacity to understand values higher than bodily gratification. So we are not in the same category as animals as even the dictionary says. So read my thread on "Calling Humans Animals" to see what that lie has done to the human race. :rolleyes:

I didn't realize animals have an intelligence cap.

Or....

Our high comprehensive capabilities, just make us smart animals.

I know you didn't. That's why you mix animals with humans. But again, instead of living in your imagination, all you have to do is look out the window to see that humans are ruling the world, not animals. Animals live in zoos, or in the wild, and are tamed by men. There's a reason for that. If you don't know now, then of course you won't understand if I try to explain it to you. ;)So I'll let you spend your whole lifetime trying to figure it out.

I used to believe that at one time. I used to believe humans and animals were way different, that is until I started to learn about animals. We are not so different after all. Animals feel emotion, they are self-aware, they can be creative, they have familial bonds, they play, and they learn. A lot of things I thought were unique to humans turned out to be not so unique after all. But you cannot appreciate that. You feel the need to be superior, because it makes you feel special. So you cannot appreciate how wonderful animals are.

We aren't better than the other animals, we're just different. The difference between me and you is I allow my understanding to grow and mature and you are just stuck in the same archaic myths and probably always will. It requires a deeper more sophisticated understanding.

I know quite a number of Christians, and Carico is very evidently no such thing. At very best he is a Pharisee, but the Pharisees, at their best, tried to tell the truth, whereas he is merely a scandal-monger and a ranter, a person who puts (certain carefully-selected bits of) the Letter before the Spirit at all times, and has no humility whatever. By his own alleged beliefs, unless he repents, he is in DEEP trouble. Ah, well - it is he who must live with his conscience, but it is a bit tedious to have him spreading out like mould over every thread.

:rollinglaugh: Sorry but Pharisees wouldn't accept me in their club. I'm way too rough around the edges for them. Pharisees usually wouldn't witness to atheists because they wouldn't be caught dead even talking to one.

Actually, atheists treat me like they treat Jesus. They hate both of us. So my posting is more closely related to Jesus than to the Pharisees.

:rollinglaugh: Sorry but Pharisees wouldn't accept me in their club. I'm way too rough around the edges for them. Pharisees usually wouldn't witness to atheists because they wouldn't be caught dead even talking to one.

Actually, atheists treat me like they treat Jesus. They hate both of us. So my posting is more closely related to Jesus than to the Pharisees.

Actually, atheists treat me like they treat Jesus. They hate both of us. So my posting is more closely related to Jesus than to the Pharisees.

Nobody hates Jesus that I know of. Jesus they know, and Paul (or whoever it was) they know, but who are YOU? Because a total cynic decides to pretend to believe what is manifestly untrue, that doesn't make him a Christian but a liar.

Sorry but no one comes to a forum and takes pride in calling Jesus a liar or the figment of imaginations of men if he doesn't hate God. That's no different than going to a forum to spend hours calling someone a liar. That comes from hate. Sorry.