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The Administration's "Socialism"

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Agnapostate cv
 
Reply Thu 17 Sep, 2009 10:02 am
The history of the development of socialist ideology as being focused around the collective ownership and management is conveyed through the American Heritage Dictionary's definition of "socialism" as "a social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the whole community." With that in mind, where lies the basis for description of the liberal democratic capitalist administration as "socialist" in nature?

Liberalism and socialism are in fact antithetical because of the role of the welfare state in maintaining macroeconomic stabilization in general and sustaining the physical efficiency and employment of the working class, the latter constituting a sustainment of static efficiency. This role occurs in the context of the capitalist economy, which means that the welfare state is supporting the existence of the prevailing arrangement of the private ownership of the means of production. It's therefore ironically economic rightists who are greater allies of socialists, as their favored policies will destabilize capitalism.
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xexon
 
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Reply Tue 22 Sep, 2009 01:10 am
@Agnapostate cv,
What's the point of paying taxes if the government isn't going to take care of us? As it is, they give us crumbs from our own table and spend the rest on warmongering around the world.

Socialism is the future. Do you know why? Because humans are basically herd animals.

Capitalism goes against that instict and replaces it with another instinct.

Greed.



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kynaston
 
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Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 12:50 am
@xexon,
xexon;68523 wrote:
What's the point of paying taxes if the government isn't going to take care of us? As it is, they give us crumbs from our own table and spend the rest on warmongering around the world.

Socialism is the future. Do you know why? Because humans are basically herd animals.

Capitalism goes against that instict and replaces it with another instinct.

Greed.



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I don't think greed is an instinct - hunter-gatherers couldn't carry heaps of rubbish about with them. Nor do I think people went round in herds - more small groups: it's capitalism that herds us That's two reasons capitalism is contrary to 'human nature'. There are many more.
xexon
 
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Reply Wed 23 Sep, 2009 01:14 am
@kynaston,
Greed is part of your survival instincts.

Preservation of self. I me mine.

Fine when it's used as a survival instinct. Now that our survival is pretty stable, it has nothing to do but multiply and get out of hand in our desire to possess things we don't really "need".

Socialism works for everybody except those who are interested in protecting their status in a society where people are stratified according to their personal wealth.

The better off's want to stay that way.

They don't care what the poor think about it.


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kynaston
 
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Reply Thu 24 Sep, 2009 06:30 pm
@xexon,
xexon;68532 wrote:
Greed is part of your survival instincts.

Preservation of self. I me mine.

Fine when it's used as a survival instinct. Now that our survival is pretty stable, it has nothing to do but multiply and get out of hand in our desire to possess things we don't really "need".

Socialism works for everybody except those who are interested in protecting their status in a society where people are stratified according to their personal wealth.

The better off's want to stay that way.

They don't care what the poor think about it.


x


Gently disagree about greed. If the rich had to carry all their rubbish around with them they wouldn't survive. We were hunter-gatherers over most of the time we were developing instincts. Its the status small-band species like surely, not the junk? A different sort of society would give status to more useful things.
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Reply Thu 5 Nov, 2009 03:16 am
@xexon,
xexon;68532 wrote:
Greed is part of your survival instincts.

Preservation of self. I me mine.

Fine when it's used as a survival instinct. Now that our survival is pretty stable, it has nothing to do but multiply and get out of hand in our desire to possess things we don't really "need".

Socialism works for everybody except those who are interested in protecting their status in a society where people are stratified according to their personal wealth.

The better off's want to stay that way.

They don't care what the poor think about it.


x
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