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What does Obama's "socialism" look like?

 
 
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gusto
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jun, 2009 08:32 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
That graph just shows the total absurdity of Obama's opponents calling him a "Socialist".
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jun, 2009 10:24 am
@gusto,
It's mere fear mongering tactics, the GOP so loves to employ.

Quote:

"If they think he will turn the nation communist they won't vote for him"


that's all it is.
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 09:01 am
@gusto,
gusto;65478 wrote:
That graph just shows the total absurdity of Obama's opponents calling him a "Socialist".


No. The fact that they drive on roads built by a socialist construct shows that absurdity. The fact that they send and receive letters through a socialist construct shows that absurdity.

The fact that they chant support for a military which receives its funding via a socialist construct shows that absurdity.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 08:02 am
@Sabz5150,
Another Joe Stalin Wink
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g-man
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jun, 2009 11:40 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;65553 wrote:
No. The fact that they drive on roads built by a socialist construct shows that absurdity. The fact that they send and receive letters through a socialist construct shows that absurdity.

The fact that they chant support for a military which receives its funding via a socialist construct shows that absurdity.


Is that why the U.S. highway system is name "Dwight D. Eisenhower"?
Highways and military are the only two things government should be involved in. Everything else they soil.
gusto
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2009 01:07 am
@g-man,
g-man;65631 wrote:
Is that why the U.S. highway system is name "Dwight D. Eisenhower"?
Highways and military are the only two things government should be involved in. Everything else they soil.

What about the National parks? They are pretty awesome. What about NASA? There are a whole host of things the government does well and your comment is just uninformed negativity to the max.
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 08:26 pm
@g-man,
g-man;65631 wrote:
Is that why the U.S. highway system is name "Dwight D. Eisenhower"?
Highways and military are the only two things government should be involved in. Everything else they soil.


Okay, how about this "internet" thing? Or the "GPS" thing? The "International Space Station" thing? How about the "wastewater treatment" thing?

OH! I GOT IT!!! The "HOOVER" Dam!


You conservatives are hilarious. I'd love for you to give up, for one single day, anything that the government had a role in creating or maintaining. I'll let you use the roads and military... everything else is off limits.

Yes, I will prevent you from seeing traffic lights. The gov't installed them long after our first roads Wink
g-man
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jun, 2009 10:46 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;65648 wrote:
Okay, how about this "internet" thing? Or the "GPS" thing? The "International Space Station" thing? How about the "wastewater treatment" thing?

OH! I GOT IT!!! The "HOOVER" Dam!


You conservatives are hilarious. I'd love for you to give up, for one single day, anything that the government had a role in creating or maintaining. I'll let you use the roads and military... everything else is off limits.

Yes, I will prevent you from seeing traffic lights. The gov't installed them long after our first roads Wink


The government makes space activities possible by taking money from the people and making it available to NASA and those who create gadgets for them.
It has not spit to do with the accomplishments achieved.
Private business gives the geniuses that create, a place and the tools for their accomplishments.
Government bogs down everything it touches. Bureaucratizes everything to a snails pace. Waste is rampant. The people are nothing more than victims of government. And that is already starting to multipy under this leftist government.
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2009 12:47 am
@g-man,
g-man;65680 wrote:
The government makes space activities possible by taking money from the people and making it available to NASA and those who create gadgets for them.
It has not spit to do with the accomplishments achieved.
Private business gives the geniuses that create, a place and the tools for their accomplishments.
Government bogs down everything it touches. Bureaucratizes everything to a snails pace. Waste is rampant. The people are nothing more than victims of government. And that is already starting to multipy under this leftist government.


Hmm... let's see...

Private funded: SpaceshipOne: Low Earth Orbit.

Government funded: Saturn V: To the Moon and back.

No contest.

Do you know where most of NASA's best come from? The military. So they come from a government based job to another government based job. Where do you think the knowledge and technology to cover the skies in satellites comes from? Where does the work come from to build and launch them?

You don't wanna pay that part of your taxes? Fine. I want to see you make do without ANY of the benefits that have come from government funded research and labor. You think they're so bad at it, show me someone that's done it better. If private enterprise were so good, we'd be living on the Moon. Also last time I checked, there were no privately owned probes on the edge of the solar system.

Me? I want my "Faith Based Initiatives" money back. Show me what good THAT has done.
g-man
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jul, 2009 03:10 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;65716 wrote:


Do you know where most of NASA's best come from? The military. So they come from a government based job to another government based job. Where do you think the knowledge and technology to cover the skies in satellites comes from? Where does the work come from to build and launch them?

You don't wanna pay that part of your taxes? Fine. I want to see you make do without ANY of the benefits that have come from government funded research and labor. You think they're so bad at it, show me someone that's done it better. If private enterprise were so good, we'd be living on the Moon. Also last time I checked, there were no privately owned probes on the edge of the solar system.

Me? I want my "Faith Based Initiatives" money back. Show me what good THAT has done.


NASA's best may come from the military, but the gadgets are not created by them, they are "used" by them.
And of course no privately funded endeavor can compete with the unending flow of cash stolen by the government to fund it's program.
Government creates nothing but deficits.
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jul, 2009 09:31 pm
@g-man,
g-man;65741 wrote:
NASA's best may come from the military, but the gadgets are not created by them, they are "used" by them.
And of course no privately funded endeavor can compete with the unending flow of cash stolen by the government to fund it's program.
Government creates nothing but deficits.


Here's why:

Where is the profit in building a 363 foot rocket filled to the hilt with fuel and pointed to the moon with three people strapped to the top?

Where is the profit in sending an SUV sized probe costing millions on a 30 year trip to the edge of the solar system?

Where is the profit in driving an RC car on another planet?

Where's the profit in sending a probe to a planet whose atmospheric pressure will crush it within a half hour?


Any privately funded company can build a rocket comparable to the Saturn V. The reason they don't is there isn't enough money to be made in such a thing. How much money did the Apollo missions make? Spirit and Opportunity? Voyager, Pioneer, Viking, Cassini, or the Pluto Express? Were any of these missions profitable?

No. Of course not. That's not their purpose.

THAT is why there's a "sucking sound". The government does what private enterprise won't and what people can't because its either too expensive or not profitable. Stop thinking the government is a business.
g-man
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jul, 2009 02:53 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;65748 wrote:
Here's why:

Where is the profit in building a 363 foot rocket filled to the hilt with fuel and pointed to the moon with three people strapped to the top?

Where is the profit in sending an SUV sized probe costing millions on a 30 year trip to the edge of the solar system?

Where is the profit in driving an RC car on another planet?

Where's the profit in sending a probe to a planet whose atmospheric pressure will crush it within a half hour?


Any privately funded company can build a rocket comparable to the Saturn V. The reason they don't is there isn't enough money to be made in such a thing. How much money did the Apollo missions make? Spirit and Opportunity? Voyager, Pioneer, Viking, Cassini, or the Pluto Express? Were any of these missions profitable?

No. Of course not. That's not their purpose.

THAT is why there's a "sucking sound". The government does what private enterprise won't and what people can't because its either too expensive or not profitable. Stop thinking the government is a business.


So, you're defending the government spending all that tax money just because they "have" a bottomless pit for resources. Good argument.
No stated goal, just because. Brilliant. That does clarify for me why I trust private industry over government. They have a goal.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 03:37 am
@g-man,
g-man;65779 wrote:

No stated goal, just because. Brilliant. That does clarify for me why I trust private industry over government. They have a goal.


Yes, profit.
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 08:51 pm
@g-man,
g-man;65779 wrote:
So, you're defending the government spending all that tax money just because they "have" a bottomless pit for resources. Good argument.
No stated goal, just because. Brilliant. That does clarify for me why I trust private industry over government. They have a goal.


The Apollo missions had a stated goal. You're daft to even think otherwise.

Find me a private industry capable of reaching the moon. It's an easy goal, only 200,000 some miles away. That lets you off easy, seeing you don't have to leave the sight of this planet.

Private enterprise is in it for one thing: themselves. They care about the bottom line, not how their work may improve society as a whole. Of course, that is general conservative thinking... me, me, me, me.

GPS... did that have a stated goal? How about the internet? I don't need to use Company X's computer to access their internet or buy Brand Whatever GPS unit that ONLY works with their network. How do you like that particular idea... where there is no set standard, half a dozen different services for the same thing, none of which work with each other. You couldn't email your buddies who used a different service provider than you or use your specific mobile phone on another company's network? Sound brilliant?

THAT is what private enterprise gets you. Don't believe me? Make a PCS phone work on a GSM network.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2009 06:25 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Obama's Socialism looks like a super-jetliner exploding in bright flames and black smoke. The name on the fuselage is 'UNITED STATES OF AMERICA'.:no:
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jul, 2009 04:43 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;65946 wrote:
Obama's Socialism looks like a super-jetliner exploding in bright flames and black smoke. The name on the fuselage is 'UNITED STATES OF AMERICA'.:no:


Nice to see you again pinochet. Wink
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kynaston
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 11:47 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Re: What does Obama's "socialism" look like?

Capitalism.
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jul, 2009 02:07 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;65946 wrote:
Obama's Socialism looks like a super-jetliner exploding in bright flames and black smoke. The name on the fuselage is 'UNITED STATES OF AMERICA'.:no:


Funny how cons always resort to planes coupled with explosions to get their point across...
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Carico
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2009 07:23 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;65480 wrote:
It's mere fear mongering tactics, the GOP so loves to employ.



that's all it is.


Well let's see, Obama is interfering with free enterprise in the auto industry, on Wall Street, in health care and is spending money the government doesn't have. And that's only the beginning of his administration. So it isn't based on fear but reality. Sorry. Wink
 

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