Israel/ Palestinian conflict

Obama is owned by the zionists. As were many presidents before him. Nobody becomes president in the United States without being an Israeli boot licker first.

It is illusion to think change in Washington is anything other than another step in their agenda of world domination. We, the United States, are the muscle of the New World Order.

Did anyone notice that there is now a push for a "world" monetary system?

In response to the current banking mess, this idea is now floating in the public view for the first time. It represents another incremental step in the control that these few people will exercise over the whole.

You control the money, you control the people.

When your family is hungry, what are you going to do other than take the number they will give you?

To see how non Jews will be treated under this New World Order, we need look no further than the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians. Jews are the master race, in their way of thinking.

This really gives everybody else an inferiority complex.

If you don't treat this Jewish supremacist movement in the same way you treated the nazis, this idealogy is going to sweep the earth. Israel is a zionist state, not a Jewish homeland.

Let's see what zionism has done to Judaism, shall we?

Doesn't take long to see the division among Jews themselves. A true Jew, versus a zionist Jew. Watch.

YouTube - Anti-Zionist Jewish Protestors are attacked by an AIPAC conference attendee

And by the way, BOYCOTT Israel.



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I watched the video. I thought it was counterproductive. If you attack someone's group (whether nation, religion... whatever) it's just going to make them defensive. They're going to be less likely to be openminded and try to understand your point. As for labeling someone a zionist... well, if your goal is to convince someone of something, then you have to use arguments; not labels. Sticking a label on someone (fascist, socialist, zionist, islamist) gets you no closer to changing their mind. All it does is piss them off, and that's not productive.

The key to unplugging zionism is in the education of people. Both in Israel and the US.

The zionist idea of what a Jew "is" varies from the technical term. This is the problem. The zionist idea is a racist one. It promotes superiority over non Jews.

Jews are not a "people" any more than the Cathloholics are. They're followers of a religion and that's it. The idea of a race or tribe is no longer valid after 3000 years. Anybody of any race can be a Jew nowadays. We must bust up the zionist idea of what a Jew is. This is going to upset many jews, who have never known Judaism without the zionist overlords telling them who they are.

But, it's the white skinned Jews of European decent that run the show. They control Israel. They control the US as a farm. They control much of Europe.

If you can imagine a Jewish version of the KKK, you'll understand what zionism is. A Jewish supremacist movement. Israel is their colony. The US is farmed for money and opinions afforded through it's subverted democratic processes.

The Declaration of Independence was signed prematurely.

We are not yet free.




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The word Jew has both a ethnic/ tribal meaning and a religious one and always has. This is not only among "zionists", but among everyone else as well, despite the fact that there have always been Jews who aren't descended from the original Jews. I don't think it's a big deal.

"But, it's the white skinned Jews of European decent that run the show. They control Israel. They control the US as a farm. They control much of Europe."

That's all pretty conspiratorial. The pro Israeli lobby is influential on this issue, but so are other lobbies on other issues. All in all, it's just 1 issue.

First of all he has 4 years to show his true colors, what has he done so far that makes you classify him as such?



Come on, do we really need any more pessimism. Would you put up with the scenario your envisioning? I wouldn't, but let me say something, in my experience someone always controls the money, I know I don't right now, do you? Do you know what you do when the people who control the money try to control you? I'll use a phrase that has been used many times when such a situation comes up : THE PEOPLE UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED!



Your walking down a very dangerous line of thought. Before we go any further what exactly are you proposing anyone do? Other than the zionists themselves what do you think you could do?



And what will we be teaching our children? That they should not associate with zionists? or maybe that they should fight them? That would be great, lets marginalize them, that will make things much easier for everyone. I was being ironic in that last statement, just to be clear.


Would you please clear up for myself and anyone else who isn't aware of the actual differences between zionists and jews? Do they posses different spiritual books? or maybe they have a charter I could read? I am sincerely asking.
Its great you can admit that catholics are "a people", "a people" who share the same general belief in God, as jews are likewise "a people", as muslims are "a people", as buddhists are "a people", as we are all "a people", as long as we have a reason to co exist, a reason for communion between smaller "peoples". Frankly I am not a fan of labels, they are counterproductive in the sense that you are limited to it, but it is easier to make a treaty with an united population, than with every person individually.



It feels to me like you are pushing it a little. Do you have any names? From what you've said it must be hard for these men and ,I expect, women, to be so racist while their children are marrying outside the "jewish ranks" ,if I can call it that, everyday.


Yes we are not yet free, but you are talking about other PEOPLE, humans, and as such I can't help but be concerned for their freedom as well. I suggest you do the same before you do something crazy and show us that you are no better than the ones you claim to be against.

"Obama is owned by the zionists. As were many presidents before him. Nobody becomes president in the United States without being an Israeli boot licker first."

I kind of agree and kind of disagree with this statement. It's advantageous for anyone running for president to placate the Israeli lobby by taking a hawkish pro Israeli line on the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict. Once in office, presidents know that trying to pressure Israel will expend political capital. It's an issue that can hurt them with Jewish voters, the religious right, foreign policy conservatives, the American public as a whole, and will draw opposition from powerful lobbies representing those groups. It will allow them to be pigeonholed by their opponents (not to mention Fox news) as pro terrorist and anti Israeli. For these reasons, American presidents are reluctant to criticize Israel or to pressure them into making concessions.

"Its great you can admit that catholics are "a people", "a people" who share the same general belief in God, as jews are likewise "a people", as muslims are "a people", as buddhists are "a people", as we are all "a people""

An atheist who's born of Jewish parents would most likely still refer to themselves as a Jew. But an atheist who's born of Christian or Muslim parents would not refer to themselves as Christian or Muslim. That's the difference. He seems to be arguing that "Jew" should be purely a religious identity (much like "Christian", "Muslim", or "Buddhist") rather than both a religious and a tribal/ ethnic identity.

Zionism, in the respect I refer to it in, is a political movement. It started just over a hundred years ago and has run amuck ever since. You've been beaten to death by news of Islamic radicals, but where are the reports of radical Judaism? They don't even use the z word on the media here.

Israel was formed by zionists. They have usurped the Jewish identity and replaced it with their own, calling Jews a people once again. This implies race, which is the same thing the nazis attempted.

They have whipped religious Jews into a frenzy over taking Israel back from those nasty non Jews. Zionism feeds off racism and division. It manufacures it like bees make honey. To be stored for future use.

Most of the Jews in Israel are oblivious to zionism's true intentions, just as Americans were clueless about the neocon intentions here in the US. The neocons are the US version of zionism. They use the conservative religious voters as their power base, thereby validating whatever decisions come out of it. Like the slaughter in Gaza.

With a 1000:1 kill ratio, I'd say the zionists are giving radical Islam a run for it's money.

It also identifies who the true enemy is in the middle East.

It's not the Palestinians.



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The division between non zionist Jews and zionist "AIPAC" Jews is clearly illustrated in this youtube clip:

YouTube - Anti-Zionist Jewish Protestors are attacked by an AIPAC conference attendee

Additional reading:

Exposing the fallacy of anti-Zionism equaling anti-Semitism :: www.uruknet.info :: informazione dall'Iraq occupato :: news from occupied Iraq :: - it

Mondoweiss: Let's Don't Be Naive (About Obama and the Jewish Establishment)

Israeli 'Religious' Parties Do Not Represent True Torah-Based Judaism - Press Releases - CNBC.com



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No atheist refers to himself as a member of any religion he or she doesn't follow. He might say I'm jewish, but I don't follow doctrine, then he's not an atheist. Just by being an atheist, or anything else, you renounce the religion of your ancestors. I understood what he was saying, but I disagree that these other religions don't posses tribal/ethnic identity, as you put it. If your parents are christian and you are an atheist it doesn't change the fact that you lived under christian tradition all those years in your parents house. Your tribal identity is what your ancestors taught you.



Yes it started when an english soldier lost his rank because he was jewish. After that a man of jewish traditions, though not a follower per se, began the zionist movement so that jews would have a place where they could practice their religion freely. The zionists didn't originally intend on recovering Israel, they just wanted a place to practice judaism, it was the UN who suggested the space for their new state.



The main difference would be the lack of religious prosecution, which would be the first step to them becoming anything like the nazis.

I guess what I really want to ask is: what now? Israel is a fact, it has existed for many years now. Do you propose to make them give up their land?

The only thing that has to be given up is the racist ideology.

This means disassembling Israel as a "Jewish" state. We should not be in the business of creating and sustaining religious states. Israel was a huge mistake.

Modern/future Israel has to be for all ALL people, not just Jews.

Since the entirety of Israel was founded on a racist ideology, this is tightly woven into the very fabric of Israeli life. On both sides.

I've managed to see Alabama move out and away from it's racist past. I'm confident that with help, Israel can do the same.

But zionism has to go. It needs to be driven out of public favor in the same way the nazis were driven out. And the leadership needs to be hunted down in the same fashion to stand trial for crimes against humanity.

Israel can be fixed, if they don't kill us all first.



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I agree with you that any form of racism must be abolished, I just haven't seen any hard proof of racism in Israel. Do they have racist laws for example?

Movements of Jews is unrestricted. They're given "nationalist" status. Arabs are citizens, but cannot be nationals. Only Jews can be nationals. Nationals have more rights.

Arabs have to pass through checkpoints and use only certain roads, have special licence plates, etc. They're always watched. Wherever they go in Israel.

Once again, youtube is our friend:

YouTube - israeli racism

This kind of racism is unknown to most Americans. Because they are unaware of it, they continue to support Israel because the TV tells them to.

We must end US support to Israel, and allow this zionist devil to whither in the Middle Eastern sun. We should not be propping up this racist apartheid nation of people who hate at our expense.

The Palestinians are just for practice.

Zionism has it's eyes on the world.

The fact that there are so many Israelis in the Whitehouse should be sounding the alarm. The fact that it's silent shows how in the dark people are about the hijacking of the United States.

It IS time to sound the alarm.

In fact, it's almost too late to.




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"No atheist refers to himself as a member of any religion he or she doesn't follow. He might say I'm jewish, but I don't follow doctrine, then he's not an atheist."

Whether you agree with it or not, "Jew" is treated as a tribal identity in a way most other religions are not. I've met several atheists who call themselves Jewish. I've never met an atheist who calls themselves Christian.

In any case, i agree with many of your criticisms of Xexon's statements.

I think Europe and UN are responsible for not finding a solution to this ongoing problem. Its time for them to stop being worried about what US will do- and do whats right ( protect Palestina)
I wrote a blog adressing the psychology on the issue, its meant for the average population- and its very simpliefied.

The dysfunctional relationship between Israel and Palestine | Eldinas Blog

Hello eldina, welcome to the forums.

You must understand that zionism has it's roots in Europe, not Israel.

Israel is a sponsored outpost of white people who fear losing the grip on power they've held for the past 300 years or so. Islam is one of the main obstacles in the continuation of this power. In zionism, religious belief is used as a weapon against people.

Has nothing do with religion really. That's only for show. A means to an end.

This is about power, hiding under a religion called Judaism.

It was an enemy to mankind even before Judaism was born.

That's your psychology lesson for the day.



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