Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 08:59 am
This is an article by a conservative on why Rush as leader is damaging to the Republican Party. I'm not a Republican so i don't care whether they damage themselves or not. But from an intellectual standpoint, i agreed with the article.

Why Rush is Wrong | Newsweek National News | Newsweek.com
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 09:55 am
@NotHereForLong,
Rush is wrong because Rush looks out for one person and one person only: Rush. He will gladly sacrifice the party or anyone in it if it benefits him. He's the scorpion that the frog carries across the river... the loyal attack dog that becomes unhappy with the amount of food he receives.

He's dangerous. Unfortunately the Republicans will only admit this after he's slammed the GOP Titanic into an iceberg and the band is striking up its last tune on the deck.

So much the better.

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g-man
 
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Reply Sun 29 Mar, 2009 02:26 pm
@Sabz5150,
Limbaugh does not proclaim himself to be the leader of the republican party.
He simply speaks the truth concerning the agenda of the left.
He also condemns republicans for putting their political seats ahead of the good of this nation. Republicans have since 2002 been acting like tax and spend Liberals. Having allowed the media to cower them from being viewed as heartless lest they spend, spend, spend for events like Katrina, and numerous other events. Republican congress and house members, in their cowardice and desire to hold their positions is what Limbaugh has been extolling against.
Barry knows that Limbaugh does not fear him and is perfectly capable of exposing him for the liar and communist that he is and will not rest until the talkers who actually have an audience are regulated out of business.
A real man would stand against Limbaugh and win with proof and debate.
Barry has been invited to debate, but will never accept. He knows he's outclassed. Intellectually inferior. Truth is not on his side. All he needs to do is do it. He won't.
g-man
 
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Reply Sun 29 Mar, 2009 02:31 pm
@NotHereForLong,
NotHereForLong;64481 wrote:
. And if we allow ourselves to be overidentified with somebody who earns his fortune by giving offense, they will vote against us."


Limbaugh isn't driven by fortune.
You speak of 100's of millions. Those beyond the 20 million are not enfluenced by Limbaugh. Possibly not concerned with "truth".
Limbaugh sleeps well at night.
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scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Mon 30 Mar, 2009 06:16 am
@g-man,
g-man;64803 wrote:
Limbaugh does not proclaim himself to be the leader of the republican party.
He simply speaks the truth concerning the agenda of the left.
He also condemns republicans for putting their political seats ahead of the good of this nation. Republicans have since 2002 been acting like tax and spend Liberals. Having allowed the media to cower them from being viewed as heartless lest they spend, spend, spend for events like Katrina, and numerous other events. Republican congress and house members, in their cowardice and desire to hold their positions is what Limbaugh has been extolling against.
Barry knows that Limbaugh does not fear him and is perfectly capable of exposing him for the liar and communist that he is and will not rest until the talkers who actually have an audience are regulated out of business.
A real man would stand against Limbaugh and win with proof and debate.
Barry has been invited to debate, but will never accept. He knows he's outclassed. Intellectually inferior. Truth is not on his side. All he needs to do is do it. He won't.



"Intellectually inferior" :rollinglaugh:


Why does limbaugh the fat junkie not stand for election ?
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 30 Mar, 2009 12:08 pm
@g-man,
g-man;64803 wrote:
Limbaugh does not proclaim himself to be the leader of the republican party.
He simply speaks the truth concerning the agenda of the left.
He also condemns republicans for putting their political seats ahead of the good of this nation. Republicans have since 2002 been acting like tax and spend Liberals. Having allowed the media to cower them from being viewed as heartless lest they spend, spend, spend for events like Katrina, and numerous other events. Republican congress and house members, in their cowardice and desire to hold their positions is what Limbaugh has been extolling against.
Barry knows that Limbaugh does not fear him and is perfectly capable of exposing him for the liar and communist that he is and will not rest until the talkers who actually have an audience are regulated out of business.
A real man would stand against Limbaugh and win with proof and debate.
Barry has been invited to debate, but will never accept. He knows he's outclassed. Intellectually inferior. Truth is not on his side. All he needs to do is do it. He won't.


Rush is a political bigot. He is willing to smear and slander and generalize a huge political faction. He is a polarizing force that is driving this country apart. He is one of the biggest partisans at a time when partisanship is destroying this country. Partisanship is the poison of democracy. People need to be able to see past political ideologies, people need to be able to compromise, people need to be able to reach across party lines and he is completely incapable of doing any of the above.

Democrats and republicans need to work together and he makes that much harder to do when he is garnering hatred and mistrust from the democrats.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 30 Mar, 2009 12:12 pm
@g-man,
g-man;64803 wrote:

A real man would stand against Limbaugh and win with proof and debate.
Barry has been invited to debate, but will never accept. He knows he's outclassed. Intellectually inferior. Truth is not on his side. All he needs to do is do it. He won't.


Really!?

A Harvard graduate is "outclassed" by a drug addict? :rollinglaugh:

You are funny Very Happy
g-man
 
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Reply Mon 30 Mar, 2009 09:14 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;64816 wrote:
Really!?

A Harvard graduate is "outclassed" by a drug addict? :rollinglaugh:

You are funny Very Happy


If Obama is the example of a graduate of anyplace, it would throw into question the value of that school.

It's greatest asset being the ability to read teleprompters flawlessly.
Or fluency in the language of "uhh".
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2009 01:55 pm
@g-man,
g-man;64825 wrote:
If Obama is the example of a graduate of anyplace, it would throw into question the value of that school.



Why? Because you disagree with him? Buck up chump. Very Happy
g-man
 
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Reply Sat 11 Apr, 2009 08:52 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;64903 wrote:
Why? Because you disagree with him? Buck up chump. Very Happy


Did they teach him that there are 57 states in America?
g-man
 
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Reply Sat 11 Apr, 2009 09:07 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;64815 wrote:
Rush is a political bigot. He is willing to smear and slander and generalize a huge political faction. He is a polarizing force that is driving this country apart. He is one of the biggest partisans at a time when partisanship is destroying this country. Partisanship is the poison of democracy. People need to be able to see past political ideologies, people need to be able to compromise, people need to be able to reach across party lines and he is completely incapable of doing any of the above.

Democrats and republicans need to work together and he makes that much harder to do when he is garnering hatred and mistrust from the democrats.


At what point in America's history did left and right "work together"?
What does working together mean?
The left wants to take America into socialism. Why would any capitalist wish to work with that?
Until 1994, Democrats held the majorities. Provide examples of "when" working together was the norm? Examples of Democrats compromising.

Ideals have power only when those who champion them stand by them.
Getting along just for the sake of getting along is not an admirable goal. It is simply a nice way of telling the opposition to shut the **** up.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 12 Apr, 2009 02:22 am
@g-man,
g-man;64985 wrote:
Did they teach him that there are 57 states in America?


Is that really all you've got on him, a slip-up? You know what he meant quit being obtuse.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 12 Apr, 2009 02:33 am
@g-man,
g-man;64986 wrote:
At what point in America's history did left and right "work together"?
What does working together mean?
The left wants to take America into socialism.


What the **** do you think public education is? What do you think public roads and parks are? What do you think police and fire departments are? That's socialism by definition, all people can use all of these services regardless of whether or not they paid into it or how much they paid into them.

But that's not what you're afraid of is it? You're afraid they're gonna hail in a new communist regime. Something the democrats have never advocated, and only a tiny minority of people would actually want that. Of course that's not what you'll hear from Rush and Sean. They're out to convince you democrats want to destroy America.



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Why would any capitalist wish to work with that?
Until 1994, Democrats held the majorities. Provide examples of "when" working together was the norm? Examples of Democrats compromising.


3/5ths compromise

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Ideals have power only when those who champion them stand by them.
Getting along just for the sake of getting along is not an admirable goal. It is simply a nice way of telling the opposition to shut the *** up.


Well when you basically have 3 choices

1) Democrats get their way all of the time, half of America is unhappy
2) Republicans get their way all of the time, half of America is unhappy
3) Democrats and republicans compromise, most of America is happy

what is the best choice?
g-man
 
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Reply Sun 12 Apr, 2009 10:56 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;64988 wrote:

1. What the *** do you think public education is?
1a. What do you think public roads and parks are? What do you think police and fire departments are? That's socialism by definition, all people can use all of these services regardless of whether or not they paid into it or how much they paid into them.

But that's not what you're afraid of is it? You're afraid they're gonna hail in a new communist regime. Something the democrats have never advocated, and only a tiny minority of people would actually want that. Of course that's not what you'll hear from Rush and Sean. They're out to convince you democrats want to destroy America.

2. 3/5ths compromise

3. Well when you basically have 3 choices

1) Democrats get their way all of the time, half of America is unhappy
2) Republicans get their way all of the time, half of America is unhappy
3) Democrats and republicans compromise, most of America is happy

what is the best choice?


1. A failure. Education, best left to the private sector.
1a. All products of common civility. Not party driven or ideological issues.
Road maintenance and forces. The things I agree that government is good for.
2. You're kidding right? This bill, an agreement between north and south states passed for the sole purpose of using the victims of slavery to empower states in the form of representation and to increase their coffers with distribution of tax money. A fine example of compromise.

3. Government making people happy. Anytime Dems and Reps agree, bend over America. Your gonna pay through your teeth.

4. Americans are best served when Repubs and Dems are fighting. Each standing firm to their ideals. Fist fighting every chance they get.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 13 Apr, 2009 09:59 am
@g-man,
g-man;65018 wrote:
1. A failure. Education, best left to the private sector.


Oh, yes, because those without money don't deserve to be educated. What a crock full of ****. People have a right to proper education regardless of their ability to pay. Public education is a failure, not because it's paid for with tax dollars, but because of a failure of the system. That being "no child left behind", lowered standards, and lack of competition between schools.



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1a. All products of common civility. Not party driven or ideological issues.
Road maintenance and forces. The things I agree that government is good for.


That's socialism.

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2. You're kidding right? This bill, an agreement between north and south states passed for the sole purpose of using the victims of slavery to empower states in the form of representation and to increase their coffers with distribution of tax money. A fine example of compromise.


I could be wrong but I believe the purpose of the compromise was to increase representation to gain more seats and more power in congress. Slaves don't pay taxes whether they are represented or not. But if you recall before the compromise slaves had 0/5 representation (aka NONE) and then they got 3/5ths and then eventually they got 5/5ths which lead to full representation and full legal rights.

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3. Government making people happy. Anytime Dems and Reps agree, bend over America. Your gonna pay through your teeth.


Like when both reps and dems eventually agreed women had the right to vote?

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4. Americans are best served when Repubs and Dems are fighting. Each standing firm to their ideals. Fist fighting every chance they get.


I agree there should be disagreements but I don't think these disagreements should be along polarized political ideologies. I think people should be more intellectually autonomous.
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