Evolution & Mutation in front of our eyes

It was not I who tried to push the Piltdown man, the Nebraskman, the Java man, the Orce man, ect. ect. ect. I could of listed many more, but the point being this is all fake evidence that was used to support evolution. You have had years of a steady diet of hearing how Evolution was true, yet when you consider the evidence you discover that much of it is based not on fully formed fossil remains but fragments of bones. The rest of it is filled in by artistic drawings which look impressive, but the science being pushed is more art work than science. The evidence for Evolution is not overwhelming, far from it. And it it was overwhelming then where on earth are all the transitional fossils. Darwin said we would find them and in abundance. We have not found any. There is a time you have to realize that artistic pictures of how some scientest want it to be does not represent the facts or science. The Bible states the earth floats on nothing, and the Hebrew did not have a word for ball shaped, so they used the best word they had which was circle. And I can assure you, Christians that love God donot murder.

"this is all fake evidence that was used to support evolution."

Readers... look at all previous posts about petraglyphs, figurines, findings, etc which have been proven to be HOAXES (i.e. fakes planted to support a theory) and are still being used to support ID/Creationism.

Also look at the links and info I posted concerning these "evolution hoaxes". These findings were fully retracted and are not being used to support evolution whatsoever. Scientists saw these as incorrect and pitched them.

So... when are you guys gonna retract your fake evidence?

Arguing science with you seems to be completely pointless... so I propose this:

If Intelligent Design is truly the way it is... show me the Designer. Prove this Designer's existence. If you cannot do this, then YOUR theory has the same merit that you give evolution.

That should make it rather easy. I mean, if the Designer exists, surely you can show him/her to me.

I believe we went over Pakicetus before, it turned out to be a four footed structure similar to that of common wolves. It was not an aquatic one. Yet, because it had some details in its teeth and middle ear bones which were a signature of later Eocene whales, National Geographic felt able to call this one the first walking whales. Just one look at the reconstruction of Pakicetus by the evolutionist illustrator Carl Buell will reveal the absurdity terming it a 'walking whale.' If this was not so sad it would be funny. This is what evolution is all about. When you get past all the vodo science, it becomes nothing more than artistic imaginary animals, which are based on a hand full of bone fragments. And when P.D. Gingerich discovered this fossil in 1983 all he had at first was the skull, but then immediately claimed this to be a primitive whale. Even evolutionists admit that the similarities between the two are completely untrustworthy, especially because these similarities can be seen in other terrestrial animals as well. Here again you are seeing National Geographic's tradition of sensational, unsubstantiated, tabloid journalism. This is not science.

Over time, you have races that have evoloved because of location. This however is not to be mistaken for FULL BLOWN EVOLUTION.

My Designer will be here to open Jerusalems East Gate, now if you really want to disprove all that I have stated. I would suggest you walk through the East Gate yourself. Until then, I will believe in my Designer.

My East Gate prophecy has more proof then your transitional fossils. At least I know where to find it. LOL

Much of that evidence is called fakes by believers in Evolution, and if the figurines found at El Toro Mountain in Mexico were fakes why were two men convicted for selling mexican antiqudes. And had to serve time in prison.
Charles Dipeso of the Dipeso of the Amerind Foundation felt the popular accounts circulation in the newspapers and magazines and prevailed upon him to begin an examination of the strange collection. Samples were sent and laboratory tests on them proved nothing. Dipeso thought the tests would dismiss the collection as a hoax because they would demonstrate them to be of modern manufacture. Dipeso of the Amerind Foundation arrived in Acambaro to examine the collection and he claimed to have viewed all 32,000 items. Dipeso must have been the bionic archaeologist because he did this task in no less than four hours. Now it appears that even Dipeso did not truly believe the Julsrud collection was a fake. Because before he left Acambaro he stated that he had been completely convinced of the genuineness of the discovery. However after he left he then insisted that the collection was a hoax. Finally Gardner and Andrew Young (inventor of the Bell Helicopter) financed the testing of the ceramics by useing C14 testing methods. In 1972, Arthur Young submitted two of the figurines to Dr. Froelich Rainey, the director of the Pennsylvania Museum for Thermoluminescent Dating. The Masca lab had obtained thermoluminescent dates of up to 2,7000 B.C.

ANOTHER WORDS THEY WERE NOT FAKES, AND TELLING EVERYONE THEY ARE FAKES WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE ONLY SHOWS US HOW DESPERATE YOU HAVE BECOME. WHERE IS YOU PROOF? WHERE IS YOUR SCIENCE?

You can read the full story by clicking on the link below.

omniology.com

A medical student - my daughter actually - accused me yesterday of wasting my time here on this site in futile arguments over evolution. She snapped two reasons why she wouldn't bother reading some of the postings here from the fundamentalist crowd.

REASON ONE: Any one who thinks evolution & random mutation does not occur should take a look at the HIV virus. Its resilience is due to it being able to constantly mutate and evolve to render each new drug cocktail harmless to it. She has observed this through a microscope and hence her scorn. Now either that is random mutation happening right there under her microscope or god is micro-managing each such change in the HIV virus just to get back at Gays. If it is not god mutating the HIV virus to smite the gay man then it can only mean that random mutation is occuring. The viruses mutate, and the evolved ones which can handle the drug survive and replicate further at a greater frequency than the ones being killed off by the drug. "Lo & behold then, verily evolution has indeed taken place" (cheeky brat).

She also asked me check out why the mosquito has become resistant to DDT.

REASON TWO: Biology as being studied and more importantly as being applied (in medicine, healthcare, genetics,) is totally based on evolutionary theories. According to her if these fundamentalists hold evolution in such scorn, they should put their money where their mouth is and refuse to take modern medication to save their "sorry asses" (her words) because Bubba, IF THERE WERE NO THEORIES ON EVOLUTION TO GUIDE RESEARCH UNDERTAKEN BY DOCTORS, SCIENTISTS, MICROBIOLOGISTS AND PHARMACOLOGISTS THERE WOULD BE NO MODERN MEDICINE.

The fundamentalist therefore, with his distaste for evolution should be honest to himself and look to the bible/koran not just for solace but also for medical therapy should he get cancer, diabetes, parkinson's disease or any host of other ailments including HIV infection (Yup! my daughter confirms that being a god fearing evangelist or a Haj-returned, 5-prayers-a-day muslim scores no brownie points with the virus).

Any takers for bible/koran therapy?

It's pointless Sabz, Mr.Campbell will simply deny, deny, deny! Thats what he does! An animal could evolve in front of his eye's and still he would not believe it. He does not opperate by logic or evidence he opperates by faith, if the evidence does not corroberate with his faith then it is the evidence that must be wrong not his faith!

see this is what i'm talking about! I can present the evidence, and you will deny it no matter the circumstances, you deny deny deny and what evidence do you have to the contrary? What expert opinions do you have to support your claims? YOU ARE NOT AN AUTHORITY ON SCIENCE so don't pretend to be! As i said before you don't have adequet knowledge of evolution to make a credible critique of it, neither do i, that's why i rely on the majority oppinion of the experts themselves and you will find overwhelmingly they support evolution!

HA HA HA :rollinglaugh::rollinglaugh::rollinglaugh:

this statement alone shows me how much of a delusion you are in....so basicly you are telling me that there is two kinds of evolution: evolution and full-blown evolution, that people evolved but they didn't evolve?

Your statement could not be farther from the truth. Your belief in Evolution requires faith in evidence that does not exist. Your examples given are even questioned by your own people as unreliable, or untrustworthy. Much of what I believe about the Bible can be seen in historical accounts, archeological ruins, extra Biblical writings, or fulfilled prophecies.

Your belief in Evolution is based on artistic concepts, and missing fossils. When Darwin said, IF HIS THEORY WAS TRUE, we would find an abundance of transionals. THEN WE DON'T.

When believers in Evolution said, that dinosaur bones are so old we would never find soft tissue. THEN WE DO. Yet you claim evidence? Evolutionest have been proven wrong, time after time, again and again, yet you still believe what ever they tell you, and from whatever source you hear it from. NOW THAT TAKES REAL FAITH.

There are endless examples of the folly of Evolution. YOU SAY I DENY, DENY, DENY. DENY WHAT? ARTISTIC PICTURES? FRAGMENTS OF BONES? WHAT hard evidnece am I denying?
And I do deny artistic concepts that are based on fragments of bones often pushed by National Geographic. And that publication has been criticized by other scientists and your own people for pushing blind propaganda. And some of the examples you have pushed are examples that have come from National Geographic. So please, don't talk about my belief being based on faith alone. YOUR belief is based of fossils that canot be found, fragments of bones transformed into imaginary missing links. And endless theories that must be changed to support the main Theory which never happened.

Will be here?

WILL BE HERE?

Prove his existence now. Where's your proof he exists? Saying "Oh, he'll be here" doesn't work.

Put up or shut up.

The prophecies of Christ return are true, even the one that tells us what people would be saying in the last days.
2 Peter 3:3-6 Knowing this first, that there shall come to in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as (they were) from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Christ has not returned. Therefore that prophecy is not true.

You are failing to prove your theory.

Christ has not returned. Therefore that prophecy is not true.

You are failing to prove your theory.

Wow, a wonderful copy-paste from about thirty different creationist sites.

Let me join you!

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1. The figurines show every evidence of being recent folk art, fraudulently buried in an archeological excavation. De Peso (1953) made the following observations:

* The surfaces of the figurines were new. They were not marred by a patina or coating of soluble salts characteristic of genuinely old artifacts from the same area. The owner said none of the figures had been washed in acid. Edges of depressions were sharp and new. No dirt was packed into crevices.

* Genuine archeological relics of fragile items are almost always found in fragments. Finding more than 30,000 such items in pristine condition is unheard of. The excavators of the artifacts were "neither careful nor experienced" in their field technique, yet no marks of their shovels, mattocks, or picks were noted in any of the 32,000 specimens. Some figurines were broken, but the breaks were unworn and apparently deliberate to suggest age. No parts were missing.

* "The author spent two days watching the excavators burrow and dig; during the course of their search they managed to break a number of authentic prehistoric objects. On the second day the two struck a cache and the author examined the material in situ. The cache had been very recently buried by digging a down sloping tunnel into the black fill dirt of the prehistoric room. This fill ran to a depth of approximately 1.30 m. Within the stratum there were authentic Tarascan sherds, obsidian blades, tripod metates, manos, etc., but these objects held no concern for the excavators. In burying the cache of figurines, the natives had unwittingly cut some 15 cms. below the black fill into the sterile red earth floor of the prehistoric room. In back-filling the tunnel they mixed this red sterile earth with black earth; the tracing of their original excavation was, as a result, a simple task" (Di Peso 1953, 388).

* Fresh manure was found in the tunnel fill.

* Fingerprints were found in freshly packed earth that filled an excavated bowl.

2. The story of their discovery gives a motive for fraud. Waldemar Julsrud, who hired workers to excavate a Chupicuaro site in 1945, paid workers a peso apiece for intact figurines. It very well may have been more economical for the workers to make figurines than to discover and excavate them. Given the quantity that he received, the contribution to the peasants' economy would have been substantial.

3. The figurines are not from the Chupicuaro. They came from within a single-component Tarascan ruin. The Tarascan are post-classical and historical, emerging between 900 and 1522 C.E.

4. If authentic, the figurines imply even more archeological anomalies:
* If the figurines really were based on actual dinosaurs, why have no dinosaur fossils been found in the Acambaro region?
* Why did no other Mexican cultures record any dinosaurs?
* What caused the dinosaurs to disappear in the last 1,100 years?

"Don Patton, another young-earth creationist supporter of the figures, has provided what he claims to be accurate radiocarbon dates for the figures ranging from 6500 years to 1500 years.

The labs that produced these dates have claimed that they were inconclusive

It is scoffers that will come first, before the return of Jesus. You are unwittingly fulfilling that scripture.