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Evolution & Mutation in front of our eyes

 
 
Brian764
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 02:50 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;46655 wrote:
Your non-believer's have always been around you make it sound like this is something new, there were more dis-believer's in your scriptures in the Roman times than there are today!


The point is not that there were no non believers around until now; the point is that in the last days some people will be scoffing/making fun at the belief that Jesus/God will return some day.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 03:11 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;46641 wrote:
Your statement could not be farther from the truth. Your belief in Evolution requires faith in evidence that does not exist.

The presence of shared "pseudogenes" (damaged non-functional copies of genes in the DNA base sequence) among various species. Click here: Plagiarized Errors and Molecular Genetics. The fact that survival for all species is precarious (the prevalence of extinctions in the fossil record is evidence of this). The fact that there are many instances of species possessing crude adaptations to survival. The panda's thumb is a good example of this. The fact that many species are similar to one or more other species to varying degrees. The fact that some pairs of very similar species, have the ability to interbreed producing sterile offspring. For example, a male donkey (Equus asinus) and a female horse (Equus caballus) can interbreed to produce a mule. This suggests, that the donkey and the horse are close evolutionary cousins.

Your examples given are even questioned by your own people as unreliable, or untrustworthy.

What people!? Give me names, seriously, i want to know actually how many of these people that are critical of evolution, and how many of them have an agenda! Seriously, there are far more scientists who believe in evolution than those who don't not just a few more but a lot more like 95% more! With every new fossil discovery evolution is further proven to be a widely accepted theory, the truth is there are only a few fringe scientists that evolution is wrong and those scientists are usually religous scientists with something to prove!

Much of what I believe about the Bible can be seen in historical accounts, archeological ruins, extra Biblical writings, or fulfilled prophecies.

There is not a single historical record of anyone named Jesus, not a single eyewitness of his death, not a single Roman recording of his execution, there is no geographic or archeological evidence that supports a global flood etc...

Your belief in Evolution is based on artistic concepts, and missing fossils.

really!? What kind of evidence were you using to support your belief that evolution is not true? Wasn't it a cave ART? Dinosaur Figurines? That have be deamed suspicious by mainstream science....what's more artistic than that? Where is your evidence that isn't under suspicion? I am still waiting!


When Darwin said, IF HIS THEORY WAS TRUE, we would find an abundance of transionals. THEN WE DON'T.

You seem to use this phrase a lot, yet Sabz and myself have provided you with the transitionals those are just the whale transitionals, what of the horse transitionals, the dog transitionals? You cannot deny the obvious for long, when two similar looking animals are found and one is found archeologicaly below the other with older argon dating age, how do you explain this, and further more it's not just one or two isolated events it has happened man many times, there is literally hundreds of times this has happened!

When believers in Evolution said, that dinosaur bones are so old we would never find soft tissue. THEN WE DO.

Sabz has already proven that to be human DNA that has contaminated the Fossil, the evidence you site has be proven false a long time ago and is not used by mainstream science, yet you still cite it as evidence!

Yet you claim evidence? Evolutionest have been proven wrong, time after time, again and again, yet you still believe what ever they tell you, and from whatever source you hear it from. NOW THAT TAKES REAL FAITH.

No i only believe what mainstream science supports, you on the other hand do not! It takes more faith to believe in something that is without evidence, such as your Jesus, than what has be overwhelmingly accepted the the science academia.


There are endless examples of the folly of Evolution. YOU SAY I DENY, DENY, DENY. DENY WHAT? ARTISTIC PICTURES? FRAGMENTS OF BONES? WHAT hard evidnece am I denying?

Vestigal structures, age of fossils, depth at which fossils are found, DNA Evidence, etc...

And I do deny artistic concepts that are based on fragments of bones often pushed by National Geographic.

Those fossils have been DNA examined, a process that is 99.998% accurate!


And that publication has been criticized by other scientists and your own people for pushing blind propaganda.

By whom may i ask? can you name a single scientist or university that isn't religious based who critiques National Geographic?




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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 03:12 pm
@Brian764,
Brian@764;46656 wrote:
The point is not that there were no non believers around until now; the point is that in the last days some people will be scoffing/making fun at the belief that Jesus/God will return some day.


which has always happened, so how does that prove anything?
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 03:19 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;46645 wrote:
There is evolution within the species which I always believed in. Yet to suggest that we evoloved from something other then human DNA, this has never happened. And if it has, I'm still waiting for your proof. We have been waiting for over 100 years now.


yes evolution does occur with in a species, and when it evolves enough it will become a different species,

what you are proposing shows ignorance of how evolution works, evolution changes the species it occurs in and the change is continuous yet if there is enough change that will yield a new spcecies!
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 03:22 pm
@Brian764,
Brian@764;46639 wrote:
A virus has and will always be a virus and a mosquito has and will always be a mosquito. The theory of evolution is that a thing evolves into something very deferent than what it started out.


yet in the last 200 years we have seen new strands of viruses evolve, such as Polio and the bird flu!
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 03:23 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Does anyone care to explain to me how vestigal structures occur if evolution is false?
Brian764
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 04:06 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;46658 wrote:
which has always happened, so how does that prove anything?


Give some examples.
Campbell34
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 04:17 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;46661 wrote:
Does anyone care to explain to me how vestigal structures occur if evolution is false?


Vestigal structures in biology are commonly cited as evidence for evolution.
If it is evidence for evolution, it is evolution in the wrong direction. Vestigial structures are structures that have lost their function. If all of evolution proceeded in this fashion, we descend to a world of nonfunctionality.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 05:24 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;46668 wrote:
Vestigal structures in biology are commonly cited as evidence for evolution.
If it is evidence for evolution, it is evolution in the wrong direction. Vestigial structures are structures that have lost their function. If all of evolution proceeded in this fashion, we descend to a world of nonfunctionality.


not only did you not answer the question, you are wrong!

okay you must understand how vestigal structures occur, they are organs or other such structure of an animal body that helped an ancestor survive but through the process of evolution they have lost their purpose, but at the same time do not hinder the survival of said species because if it had hindered the survival then all individuals with said structure would have died off without passing on the trait to future generations

such structures are Eye's for blind moles, tail bone for humans, disattached hip bones in whales and etc...

if evolution is not true then please explain to me why such structures exist!
Brian764
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 05:29 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;46672 wrote:

if evolution is not true then please explain to me why such structures exist!



Friend its the other way around, it is you who need to prove that these things are evidence of evolution.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 05:48 pm
@Brian764,
Brian@764;46673 wrote:
Friend its the other way around, it is you who need to prove that these things are evidence of evolution.


Vestigial structures are anatomical structures of organisms in a species, which have lost much or all of their original function through evolution. They are typically in a degenerate, atrophied, or rudimentary condition. They are often called vestigial organs, although not all of them are actually organs.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 05:48 pm
@Brian764,
Brian@764;46667 wrote:
Give some examples.


Pagans?
Brian764
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 07:22 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;46682 wrote:
Pagans?


That's not an example...first thing pagans did not know about the birth of Jesus, let alone His second coming. In fact only a few of the prophets of God knew that the messiah would come.

For people to scoff at Jesus' second coming they would have been around at the time of Jesus' resurrection, when the disciples were preaching the gospel. Because the last days began when Jesus was born and continues down to our day and up to just before Jesus' return.
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Brian764
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 07:28 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;46660 wrote:
yet in the last 200 years we have seen new strands of viruses evolve, such as Polio and the bird flu!


That is called adapting; some animals and even insects has the ability to adapt to changing climate, but that animal or insect will always be what it is.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 07:47 pm
@Brian764,
Brian@764;46686 wrote:
That is called adapting;


what do you think evolution is? Evolution is the process of adaptation to one's evoirment over a period of time!
Brian764
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 09:16 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;46689 wrote:
what do you think evolution is? Evolution is the process of adaptation to one's evoirment over a period of time!



Tell you what? This is a waste of time, you chose to believe that everything that now exist all came into existence from nothing all by itself. Stick to what you believe, I have no desire force anything down your throat; the truth will one be plane for all to see.
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thomascrosthwaite
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2007 10:30 am
@Adam Bing,
It is easy to understand why Mr. Campbell is so desperate. The Catholic Church is the oldest and and largest of the Christian churches. Evoultion shook it to its foundation,so much that the Pope declaired himself to be infallible. When this cost him even more credibility, he gave up. If he had not done so this would have isolated him from the rest of the ruling class. A poll taken in 1998 profiled Creationists as being older,less educated, Southren and politically conserative. Learning,Speech,&Attention Defects | Man with learning disabilities, communication disorders, ADHD, becomes author
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thomascrosthwaite
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2007 10:44 am
@Adam Bing,
Also Mr. Campbell, evidence of evolution is over all and not too speciffic. To make it real simple, generally speaking, the farther down you go the more simple the forms of life. Learning,Speech,&Attention Defects | Man with learning disabilities, communication disorders, ADHD, becomes author
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2007 11:34 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;46650 wrote:
You just proved it. You are one of those the prophecy was talking about. Christ return will happen after the Jews rebuild their third Temple. And it is my understanding that they already have the plans for that construction. They are also training the future Temple priest. This event is going to happen
because it is spoken of in the prophecies of the Bible. Everything will happen as the prophecies have laid out. The Jews first had to return to Israel, then secondly they had to retake Jerusalem. One of the next prophecies we Christians are now waiting for is the rebuilding of the Temple on Mount Moriah.


So, let me get this absolutely straight here...

You are saying that the QUESTIONING of your beliefs are PROOF THEY EXIST?

:261::261::261:

Wow. Just... wow.

"Well, you think my beliefs are wrong, so they MUST be right according to this book! HA!"

Find "Holy Bible". Replace with "Origin of Species".

Does that argument still stand, or is it just for YOUR beliefs?
Campbell34
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2007 12:25 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;46714 wrote:
So, let me get this absolutely straight here...

You are saying that the QUESTIONING of your beliefs are PROOF THEY EXIST?

:261::261::261:

Wow. Just... wow.

"Well, you think my beliefs are wrong, so they MUST be right according to this book! HA!"

Find "Holy Bible". Replace with "Origin of Species".

Does that argument still stand, or is it just for YOUR beliefs?


The Bible indicates that some would be led away by false science and false teachings. And that is why the Bible gave a warning to beware of science falsly so called. And the Bible tells us that in the time of the end boastful men would be saying show us the sign of His coming. Another words, the Bible tells us that when Christ returns the world will be in total shock, and will morn because most of the earth will not be ready to stand before the living God.
If questioning my beliefs were the only proof I could offer for the truth of the Bible, I would not have much of a belief. I am looking a the bigger picture here.
 

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