Don't say I didn't call it

thats the last thing we need.

To hunt down true Islamic terrorists, it's a good idea.

BUT......I'm worried about what Clinton/Obama will do with the Patriot Act once they seize power. I can see Obama letting the bad guys off the hook, while sicking the Feds on American patriots, under the same law. :no:

To hunt down true Islamic terrorists, it's a good idea. BUT......I'm worried about what Clinton/Obama will do with the Patriot Act once they seize power. I can see Obama letting the bad guys off the hook, while sicking the Feds on American patriots, under the same law. :no:

Name a single Islamic terrorist that has been caught as a result of the patriot act!

Exactly. It is bull**** when the government says "Its a matter of National Security" and they do not allow any one to question any thing. Who the hell is watching the watcher? Nothing good has come from using the Patriot Act, if we would have caught someone with concrete evidence derived from the Patriot Act they would plaster that all over the media to show what a HUGE success it is and how we can all sleep better at night.

Name a single Islamic terrorist that has been caught as a result of the patriot act!

Got it in one,..in this country the Gov are trying to detain people for up to 48 days without trial so that they can gather more 'evidence',....that sound like 'we torture you until you give us what we want to hear' or what?

We lived in this country for 25 years with the threat of the IRA, many bombings on mainland UK, yet in all that time very little changed in the way we dealt with and impirisoned suspects, the security forces got their fair share of people, but since the bombing in London and the half arsed atttempt in Scotland nothing,...zip,...nadda.

And they will tell you the the 'measures' in place and the ones they want to put in place are there to protect us,....BULL***ING****, they are there to moinitor us.

Always hear this one,...'If you have nothing to hide why do you not want to be watched on CCTV?' (Closed Circuit Televison if no-one knew)

My Answer,....'If I have nothing to hide WHY do you need to watch me on CCTV?'

Exactly. It is bull**** when the government says "Its a matter of National Security" and they do not allow any one to question any thing. Who the hell is watching the watcher? Nothing good has come from using the Patriot Act, if we would have caught someone with concrete evidence derived from the Patriot Act they would plaster that all over the media to show what a HUGE success it is and how we can all sleep better at night.

FBI Caused Delay in Terror Case Ahead of Senate Testimony | Threat Level from Wired.com

Counterterrorism officials in FBI headquarters slowed an investigation into a possible conspirator in the 2005 London bombings by forcing a field agent to return documents acquired from a U.S. university. Why? Because the agent received the documents through a lawful subpoena, while headquarters wanted him to demand the records under the USA Patriot Act, using a power the FBI did not have, but desperately wanted.

When a North Carolina State University lawyer correctly rejected the second records demand, the FBI obtained another subpoena. Two weeks later, the delay was cited by FBI director Robert Mueller in congressional testimony as proof that the USA Patriot Act needed to be expanded.

Sounds like a whole lot of speculation, how much of this can they prove? I'm sure another conspiracy is in the making.

YOU have nothing to hide? I doubt that. Scotland Yard probably has everything you own bugged, and rightly so.:thumbsdown:

All the documents are declassified. Read 'em for yourself, the proof is in the pudding.

Oh yeah, that's right, you don't like these "fact" things.

I haven't seen any facts, you? I've seen alot of what you construe to be fact.

I haven't seen any facts, you? I've seen alot of what you construe to be fact.

You. Don't forget, we're right outside, watching you, L.C.M.

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