Remember oh, a year ago, when the Right was screaming "voter fraud"?

While there is irony in this, Its not exactly a fair comparison. This YPM issue looks to be localized to areas of Southern California while the issues of voter fraud and Acorn are on a national scale.

More Acorn Voter Fraud Comes to Light - WSJ.com

The problem with crying voter fraud with ACORN is that what they are being accused of, they MUST do by law. If I submit "Hokey Dokey the Lizardman" on a voter reg. form, they have to submit it. They can mark it suspect, but they are legally required to submit every single card they receive.

Why? Duran Duran. How many Goopers latched on to the "voter fraud" of a registration with the name Duran Duran? Did I mention that Duran Duran is in fact a registered voter, a US citizen, and has been for a while?

That right there is why the GOP themselves finally backed off. They were forced to. A false positive destroyed the entire thing.

THIS is a person who blatantly (he pleaded guilty) committed a fraudulent act. He intentionally broke the law with intent to defraud the system.

ACORN has not been found guilty of a SINGLE incident of voter fraud. Not a one. If you think there are, please show me the court dockets and trial.

You didn't read the link...

On Thursday, prosecutors in Pittsburgh, Pa., also charged seven Acorn employees with filing hundreds of fraudulent voter registrations before last year's general election.

Acorn spokesman Scott Levenson calls the Nevada criminal complaint "political grandstanding" and says that any problems were the actions of an unnamed "bad employee." But Catherine Cortez Masto, Nevada's Democratic Attorney General, told the Las Vegas Sun that Acorn itself is named in the criminal complaint. She says that Acorn's training manuals "clearly detail, condone and . . . require illegal acts," such as requiring its workers to meet strict voter-registration targets to keep their jobs.

Elsewhere, Washington state prosecutors fined Acorn $25,000 after several employees were convicted of voter registration fraud in 2007. The group signed a consent decree with King County (Seattle), requiring it to beef up its oversight or face criminal prosecution. In the 2008 election, Acorn's practices led to investigations, some ongoing, in 14 other states.

Looks like there are a current criminal charges and complaints against their members, and courts have already found members guilty of fraud.

Don't let your blind hate for everything republican also blind you to the reality that your side plays just as dirty.

It would also seem that none of the people being charged and pleading guilty are "kids", but grown adults 30-50 knowing exactly what they are doing.

Acorn is a massive organization that receives federal funding and blatantly deceives as standard procedure. The feds are now going to fund a second organization that I can't remember the name of at this moment. But it is devoted to liberal causes.
These organizations should not exist being funded by any party or government. "Anyone" practicing deceit should be prosecuted and punished.

Really? These people know how to defraud an election?

So you're telling me that the only thing that I have to do in order to swing a vote is to fill out a reg card with "Bugs Bunny"?................................./QUOTE]

I don't care if they can or not effect elections. Honestly or otherwise. They should not be funded by Tax payers or political parties.

I'm sure if the Republicans could prove the accusations there would be lots o libs sitting in jail.

Really? These people know how to defraud an election?

So you're telling me that the only thing that I have to do in order to swing a vote is to fill out a reg card with "Bugs Bunny"?

Excuse me... :rollinglaugh::rollinglaugh::rollinglaugh:

Alright, back to the lesson at hand.

Watch closely, you may learn a thing or six.

In order to defraud an election in this manner, you have to not only fill out this form, but you must have a valid ID, SSN and home address. That means unless Bugs Bunny brings his cottontail rear up to the booth and presents a legal ID (he is a first time voter, this is required by law) which contains BOTH a legal SSN attached to Bugs along with his legal home address (yes, they do check this stuff), that registration card means squat.

This process, in order to defraud an election, must happen (in its entirety) several million times.

Do you have ANY evidence that (a)this process happened on the scale you claim, or (b)that the false cards were intended to defraud an election? Motive is a HUGE part of a case.

ACORN is just sour grapes from the conservatives who try to convince themselves that the world works how they think it does. Your complete lack of knowledge pertaining to how the election mechanism of this country works is a shining example of this. If it were anywhere near as easy as you try to claim, *I* would be president.

Now let's go back to our friend, the topic of this thread.

Here you have a person that didn't just file a false registration form, this is a person who received a fraudulent voter card. This means that he in fact defrauded the system. To add the icing to the cake, he intentionally did this with the single purpose of defrauding the system.

So let's compare and contrast:

ACORN: Temp agents write "Dallas Cowboys" and "Bugs Bunny" on reg cards in order to meet their (borderline unethical) quotas on their minimum wage pay.

YPM: The owner of a registration group fills out a false registration card FOR HIMSELF. A card which he intended to use (why else make your own fake ID?). This is not a 5.75 an hour guy... this is the owner of the group.

See the difference? Making a false card named "Kukubu the LizardDude" to appease the bean counters is very different than making a false card with my legal name upon it. One cannot be used... the other can.

Wow you?re an angry little one that seems to have trouble following along.

See you missed that point, ACORN is a national company founded by leftist with no other motive than to propagate their the liberal/democratic agenda., state and national democrats are running form them like they carry the plague.

Pajamas Media ? The Complete Guide to ACORN Voter Fraud


Next, my chief claim was that there is fraud on both sides and Acorns is more wide spread. THEN you make the completely false claim that no person from Acorn has ever been charged with or found guilty of voter fraud.

Well I gave you some example of Acorn employees AND management that have been found guilty of voter fraud. All you had to do was admit you were wrong, but you didn?t do that. Instead you got sad, angry and hurt and made this thread your little diatribe about how Acorn didn?t do anything wrong.

You?re wrong, you?ve been proven wrong, and now you just look stupid.



On February 10, 2005, Nonaresa Montgomery, a paid worker who ran Operation Big Vote during the run-up to the 2001 mayoral primary, was found guilty of vote fraud. Montgomery hired about 30 workers to do fraudulent voter-registration canvassing. Instead of knocking on doors, the volunteers sat at a St. Louis fast food restaurant and wrote out names and information from an outdated voter list. About 1,500 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in.
In October 2006, St. Louis election officials discovered at least 1,492 ?potentially fraudulent? voter registration cards. They were all turned in by ACORN volunteers.
In November 2006, 20,000 to 35,000 questionable voter registration forms were turned in by ACORN officials in Missouri. Most all of these were from St. Louis and Kansas City areas, where ACORN purportedly sought to help empower the ?disenfranchised? minorities living there. But the ACORN workers weren?t just told to register new voters. The workers admitted on camera that they were coached to tell registrants to vote for Democrat Claire McCaskill.
In 2007, in Kansas City, Missouri, four ACORN employees were indicted for fraud. In April of this year eight ACORN employees in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting bogus voter registrations.
And, that was just Missouri.
Ohio ? The New York Post reported that a Cleveland man said he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times. The complaints have sparked an investigation by election officials into the organization, whose political wing has supported Barack Obama. Witnesses have already been subpoenaed to testify against the organization.
Nevada ? Authorities raided the headquarters of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now on Tuesday October 7, 2008, after a month-long investigation. The fraudulent voter registrations included the Dallas Cowboys starting line-up.
Indiana ? More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana?s Lake County filled out by ACORN employees turned out to be bogus. Officials also stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony.
Connecticut ? Officials are looking into a complaint alleging ACORN submitted fraudulent voter registration cards in Bridgeport. In one instance, an official said a card was filled out for a 7-year-old girl, whose age was listed as 27. 8,000 cards were submitted in Bridgeport.
Missouri ? The Kansas City election board is reporting 100 duplicate applications and 280 with fake information. Acorn officials agreed that at least 4% of their registrations were bogus. Governor Matt Blunt condemned the attempts by ACORN to commit voter fraud.
Michigan ? ACORN in Detroit is being investigated after several municipal clerks reported fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications coming through. The clerk interviewed said the fraud appears to be widespread.
New Mexico ? The Bernalillo County clerk has notified prosecutors that some 1,100 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in by ACORN.
Pajamas Media ? The Complete Guide to ACORN Voter Fraud

On Monday, Nevada officials charged Acorn, its regional director and its Las Vegas field director with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year. Larry Lomax, the registrar of voters in Las Vegas, says he believes 48% of Acorn's forms "are clearly fraudulent." On Thursday, prosecutors in Pittsburgh, Pa., also charged seven Acorn employees with filing hundreds of fraudulent voter registrations before last year's general election.

More Acorn Voter Fraud Comes to Light - WSJ.com


Yeah, sour grapes that has been going on every level of voter registration for 3 years before anyone knew who Barak Obama was. You?re claim is bull **** at fails under even basic scrutiny. Try again.



Right, an isolated group under the lead of a single person. Not a national group with strong and wide known political leanings and an agrenda that is under investigation in 14 states.

That?s a big difference isn?t it.



Sounds just like, Nonaresa Montgomery?

You really don?t know what ACORN has done and has been convicted of do you. Educate yourself on their issues before continuing.

OH MY ***ING GOD! Really dude, get the *** over it. You're just acting like a hurt little kid. You don't make an argument you just stomp your feet and cross your arms.

1) I never excused YPM of any wrong doing

2) That one instance of a rightwing group being convicted of a single instance of voter fraud...in registering himself at an address he no longer lives at. (all other accusations have been no difference than what ACORN has been convicted of doing, ie turning in false cards which would not be illegible to vote.

3) I pointed out that ACORN has been in far greater number of legal scandals and trouble.

4) When you made the claim that no member of ACORN has been found guilty of voter fraud I proved you wrong over and over and over.

ACORN has not been found guilty of a SINGLE incident of voter fraud.

5) You lied, or had no idea what you were talking about.

In long because its more fun this way.

I never excused this rightwing voter group for what they did (which for some retarded reason only you can answer you think I did), I simply said that ACORN employees and managers have been convicted of voter fraud also and on a larger scale.

[SIZE="5"]YOU LIED AND SAID NO ONE FROM ACORN HAS EVER BEEN CONVICTED VOTER FRAUD. BE A MAN, SUCK IT UP, AND ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG. THAT'S IT, GROW UP. [/SIZE]

ACORN has not been found guilty of a SINGLE incident of voter fraud.

But yeah, you'll ignore everything that hurt your argument. Just like you ignored....

On February 10, 2005, Nonaresa Montgomery, a paid worker who ran Operation Big Vote during the run-up to the 2001 mayoral primary, was found guilty of vote fraud. Montgomery hired about 30 workers to do fraudulent voter-registration canvassing. Instead of knocking on doors, the volunteers sat at a St. Louis fast food restaurant and wrote out names and information from an outdated voter list. About 1,500 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in.

You'll highlight "voter registration cards" yet you ignore the context of what and how they did it.

You are incapable of actually making a counter argument, you make a lot of busy posts with a lot sarcastic "no you're wrong", but you completely lack substance.

What you are trying to say is that ACORN employees have been illegally arrested, and convicted of doing their job. Now now now you and I both know that, that isn't true and no one with an once of intelligence is saying that...but you.

ACORN has not been found guilty of a SINGLE incident of voter fraud.

When you decide to be honest about things feel free to post again. Because for now, your just a laughing stock of debate, quickly approaching that of our creationist comedians.

Jesus you're pathetic.

So you claim I'm twisting words when in my first post I admit that what this YPM group did was illegal and wrong.

Right, an isolated group under the lead of a single person.

You're being a little coward bigot, since your entire claim against YPM is about their OWNER registering HIMSELF to vote. (not to get him multiple votes btw) As a cooperation there has been no judgment against them. Just a single judgment against him personally.

In the case of Nonaresa Montgomery, you continue to lie about what happened even though the information is right in front of you. They used REAL INFORMATION, to register REAL PEOPLE, ILLEGALLY, WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION. You are lying when you say they used fake names and their voting cards would not have been usable.

STOP LAYING YOU COWARD. ITS PATHETIC, GROW UP YOU CHILD.

lol and yes, YPM almost stuffed the ballot box...with one vote, in one district...give it up you over exaggerating idiot.