First of all there is a big difference in what parts of Europe you mean. The countries in the European Union are viewed more civilized and humane, they had war on their own ground they know what that means and do not want it to be repeated. We as Americans do not know this yet and hopefully we will not. We are the youngest 1st world country, our history is only a bit over 200years, we are babies compared to Europa.
As for us putting ourselves out defending Europe, no that is not true, Bush pushed for this war, Europe (Germany is still cleaning up our mess in Afganistan) warned us not to invade Iraq at the time we did. They (Germany and France) gave us intell about the plan to take down the World TCs, our government chose to ignore the warnings of what was coming. It was not an accident that our gov. did not expect to happen, they knew. There are so many muslims living inside America legal and illegal, we have no idea what they are upto and what they plan to do from the inside. Where do you think the guys that stole the planes on 9/11 came from? Right under our noses people!
Germany no longer allows the doors to be closed to non muslims in a mosque. They must be open for all to see just like our churches. There are no unknown cells in Germany, they know every single muslim in this country. They catch someone coming in illegally within hours of crossing over. All call shops and muslim owned business are carefully watched at all times, virtually nothing goes unnoticed here.
More intelligent no, better educated yes, their further education is free (except in England now, they have adopted our system) to go to University in Germany for certain is free. We must pay or receive a scholarship for a full ride in the US, sad, very sad. Does that make them somewhat superior? I think in some ways yes it does. It does not matter which class you come from to get an education. There are intelligent people at poverty level that deserve an education, that alone limits or resources for qualified decent human beings. Social education and Social medicine would not make us Socialist, just a smarter healthier nation.
What SS officers are marching? Not in Germany France England, Spain, Holland, Austria....and and and. They may share the same continent as the E.U. countries but that is it right now.
Baltia, that sounds like it is east of Germany. The people from the eastern European countries (none of which are in the EU just yet but up for consideration) have recently (used loosely) freed themselves of communist rule, that will take 5 generations to change their thought process and breed it out of them, not overnight. Poland is the next to come in and they are big friends of the US. The others want everything we all have had for a long time and they want it now, thus, they resort to criminal acts to get it. They are children in that respect and less educated because of their supressive gov. Anything east of Germany and Austria is not the same as 1st world Europe.
What filth is coming from Europe? There is plenty of home grown filth were you stand, That makes no sense.
To be politically correct all the white Americans are actually European Americans, Black,African American, Hispanic,Latin American, Asian American... and so on. We all came from somewhere else to populate America, the Native Americans are the true Americans in that respect, they were always there.
As for Great Britain, the rest of Europe views them much like they view America. Most other Europeans do not care much for England, their politics, and their stuck up attitudes. They are not like the rest of Europe, their large muslim population stems from their British colonies all over the world which entitles people of those colonies passage to England. Now they must build this giant mosque for their very large Islamic peoples to worship. England is only partly in the E.U. as of now, soon they will be broke and have to change to Euro money as well, then they will be totally in the E.U. in all aspects.
Gay people are everywhere, there are no more in Europe than in the US or other lands, that is also silly to say.
As Fed-Up would say, I disagree with 34.8, maybe even .9, percent of what you're saying. Europe is crazy-drunk with Socialist liberalism, and will soon get its butt handed to it by Islamo-Fascism. The US will undoubtedly have to rescue it, again, from its own stupidity and lethargy. I can't believe we evolved from those idiots.
keep them coming pino ! your always good for a laugh lol
Who's laughing??
ME LOL DID I SAY ANYONE ELSE ! HIS POSTS (RANTS) BRING A SMILE TO MY FACE !
I get a big ol' LOL out of yours, too...and occasionally, flatulence to my gut.
As Fed-Up would say, I disagree with 34.8, maybe even .9, percent of what you're saying. Europe is crazy-drunk with Socialist liberalism, and will soon get its butt handed to it by Islamo-Fascism. The US will undoubtedly have to rescue it, again, from its own stupidity and lethargy. I can't believe we evolved from those idiots.
Well if you are a Muslim female in Germany the law of the land apparently isn't applicable to you. Sharia Law anyone. Here's an example but I can easily post more.
I hope you are right regarding Germany Tv I'd hate to see her rich culture and history distroyed to accommadate another Culture.
Wednesday, March 21, 2007
Germany: Judge supports "honor" crimes
Apparently, if you're a Moroccan in Germany, you don't have the same rights as an ethnic German. While politicians wonder what to do about honor murder, it turns out some judges think it's ok for a man to beat his wife when his woman turns "too Western".
He beat her and threatened her with murder. But because husband and wife were both from Morocco, a German divorce court judge saw no cause for alarm. It's a religion thing, she argued.
The case seems simply too strange to be true. A 26-year-old mother of two wanted to free herself from what had become a miserable and abusive marriage. The police had even been called to their apartment to separate the two -- both of Moroccan origin -- after her husband got violent in May 2006. The husband was forced to move out, but the terror continued: Even after they separated, the spurned husband threatened to kill his wife.
A quick divorce seemed to be the only solution -- the 26-year-old was unwilling to wait the year between separation and divorce mandated by German law. She hoped that as soon as they were no longer married, her husband would leave her alone. Her lawyer, Barbara Becker-Rojczyk agreed and she filed for immediate divorce with a Frankfurt court last October. They both felt that the domestic violence and death threats easily fulfilled the "hardship" criteria necessary for such an accelerated split.
In January, though, a letter arrived from the judge adjudicating the case. The judge rejected the application for a speedy divorce by referring to a passage in the Koran that some have controversially interpreted to mean that a husband can beat his wife. It's a supposed right which is the subject of intense debate among Muslim scholars and clerics alike."The exercise of the right to castigate does not fulfill the hardship criteria as defined by Paragraph 1565 (of German federal law)," the daily Frankfurter Rundschau quoted the judge's letter as saying. It must be taken into account, the judge argued, that both man and wife have Moroccan backgrounds.
"The husband can beat his wife"
"The right to castigate means for me: the husband can beat his wife," Becker-Rojczyk said, interpreting the judge's verdict.
In an interview with SPIEGEL ONLINE, Becker-Rojczyk said the judge indicated to her that it makes no sense to insist on an accelerated divorce. The judge's advice? Wait for the year-long waiting period to elapse.
The lawyer and her client were shocked. Immediately, they filed a claim alleging that the judge should have recused herself due to a conflict of interest. They felt that, because of the point of view presented by the judge, she was unable to reach an objective verdict. In the reply sent to Becker-Rojczyk, the judge expressly referred to a Koran verse -- or sura -- which indicates that a man's honor is injured when his wife behaves in an unchaste manner. "Apparently the judge deems it unchaste when my client adapts a Western lifestyle," Becker-Rojczyk said.
On Tuesday evening, Becker-Rojczyk expressed amazement that the judge was still on the bench, given that the controversial verdict was handed down weeks ago. Becker-Rojczyk had elected to go public with the case to attract attention to the judge's conduct. It seems to have worked. On Wednesday, after the Tuesday evening publication of the story on SPIEGEL ONLINE, the attorney received a fax from the Frankfurt court granting the conflict of interest claim and excusing the judge from the case.
Still, it is unlikely that the case will be heard again before the mandated year of separation expires in May. But the judge who heard the case may have to face further consequences for her decision. On Wednesday, numerous politicians in Berlin voiced their horror at the verdict -- and demanded disciplinary action against the judge.
Further investigation
"In my opinion, this is a case of extreme violation of the rule of law that can't be solved with a mere conflict of interest ruling," Social Democrat parliamentarian Dieter Wiefelsp?tz told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "There have to be further consequences. This is a case for judicial supervision -- this case needs to be further investigated."
The deputy floor leader for the Christian Democrats, Wolfgang Bosbach, agreed. "This is a sad example of how the conception of the law from another legal and cultural environment is taken as the basis for our own notion of law," he said on Wednesday.
This isn't the first time that German courts have used cultural background to inform their verdicts. Christa Stolle of the women's rights organization Terre des Femmes said that in cases of marital violence, there have been a number of cases where the perpetrator's culture of origin has been considered as a mitigating circumstance -- although such verdicts have become seldom in recent years.
But there remains quite a bit of work to do. "In my work educating sexist and short-sighted Muslim men," asked Michaela Sulaika Kaiser of the Network for Muslim Women, "do I now have to convince German courts that women are also people on the same level with men and that they, like any other human, have the right to be protected from physical and psychological violence?"
Source: Spiegel (English)
I strongly disagree with 99% of your statement Pino. I live here and that is simply not true in Germany, Socialist liberalism, tolerating gays doesn't make them socialist liberals, just tolerant, I don't even know of another example of Socialism here to tell you about. Education, Medical care, just common sense and good gov. Healthy educated people are created. Nothing bad about that. Maybe the allowance of certain amounts of refugees but we do the same in the US.
Islamo-Fascism na, not where I live, the Islamic population in Germany (forget the news from england on U tube, their version of CNN) not pulling their weight and integrating successfully are getting their asses handed to them very soon, believe it! They will never gain a foot hold here.
I am on the inside of young politics in Germany today, the old guys in the gov. 65+ are on their way out because they are old, tired and disconnected from the generation of today, the young German is tired of paying, they are hitting the streets but not the way they did in WWII, they will simply enforce laws that were set long ago and create situations that a poorly integrated person can not handle, simple, they must then go back home. No one made them, they caused it all by themselves, by not following the rules set.
After living here for 20 years and not speaking, reading and writing the language, or having basic knowledge of the country you live in, having a job that will support you or the family you created (now on welfare), obey the laws of the country or go the *** home.
It pissed me off to no end when I would call some place in the USA and the auto... operater speaks first another language, then tells me to push 1 for English, why should I have to push 1? Its my country and my language, make them push 1.
Learn the language after a given time or go home. We change our way to accommodate them, not them to us. We made school easier, driving test in their language, shopping, court house, ATM, Walmart and much more all in their language, they do not have to learn it because we don't make them. Check the stats in our land for crimes commited by whom, piss poor man. We put up with it and say nothing, at least nothing that will make a change.
The crimes commited in Germany are from a whopping 80% non German person (not all muslim PW). The people are fed up, its coming to a head here. You will see big changes over the next 10 years with the up coming political generation.
sorry to hear your full of hot air ! the smelly kind :eek:
You should be sorry to know you bring the worst out of him.
Here's my main source for articles on Islam in Europe: Independent Online Edition > News
My favorite reporter is Johann Hari. She pulls no punches when reporting, she tells the truth as she see it.
You should be sorry to know you bring the worst out of him.
I want to believe you, but I suspect that even while you type, Turks keep pouring into Germany. And yes, the US is being Hispanicized. Geographic proximity to Latin America and our moral inability to be cruel enough to genuinely seal our borders have made that inevitable. But, it's not all bad news. At least Latin America is Catholic. Its invasion might actually help us recover our Christian heritage.
I?m not loony. I?ve just have had dispute with my friend. May be some of competent members of this forum could convince him. We?ve talked about Europeans. He considers them more civilized and more intelligent and more humane than Americans. I say that Europeans are just haughty hypocritical parasites. We lay ourselves out defending them from Muslim extremists while they welcome Islamite terrorists and plan to build the largest mosque in Europe (that?s Great Britain). Those Chechen militants spread all over European territory intimidating local inhabitants. And European human rights advocates cry about oppressions of disfranchised refugees.
Moreover Europe is Cradle of Fascism. I?ve heard they?ve been organizing marches of SS officers up till now somewhere in Baltia. Their police beat antifascists and threaten Jews with carnage.
And European gay-marches that try to plant buggery by force among Europeans and to seize political power in EU. And all this filth comes here. And many of such naive people like my friends consider them cressets of culture and far more enlightened than Americans.
Please answer us. May be he?ll listen to you.
