Obama's agression

Hillary let us know this week in no uncertain terms that she would strike hard against Iran if they attacked Israel. I fear there is nothing that an Islamic nation could do to illicit a military strike by a "President Obama"?

What do you think? What would an Islamic nation have to do before Obama waged war?

Give him a real reason. Can't Israel protect itself? I mean, it's the most technologically advanced nation in that region, can't it lay down its own cans of whoopass?

Question for you: What's in it for us? What benefit do we gain by supporting the government of Israel? They're not exactly trying to douse the flames, either.

This one is easy:

- Israel is the only functioning secular democracy in the Middle East. The U.S. values democracy and supports countries that embrace democratic values and are threatened by forces that do not value democracy.

- Israel is the only Middle Eastern country that has guaranteed to support the U.S. if and when we ever need it.

- Radical Islam hates and wants to destroy countries with democratic governments and Judeo-Christian values. Therefore, they hate Israel. On which side of that fence do we fall?

I know you would say that radical Muslims are justified in their hatred and resolve to destroy us and Israel, but I do not buy that, so that ridiculous notion does not factor into my reasoning. Anti-Semitism is very real and will always exist and is not something that can be justified or supported. That's why the U.S. must continue to support Israel, and the growing movement to the contrary among Democratic leaders in this country scares the hell out of me.

This one is easy:

- Israel is the only functioning secular democracy in the Middle East. The U.S. values democracy and supports countries that embrace democratic values and are threatened by forces that do not value democracy.
- Israel is the only Middle Eastern country that has guaranteed to support the U.S. if and when we ever need it.
- Radical Islam hates and wants to destroy countries with democratic governments and Judeo-Christian values. Therefore, they hate Israel. On which side of that fence do we fall?

I know you would say that radical Muslims are justified in their hatred and resolve to destroy us and Israel, but I do not buy that, so that ridiculous notion does not factor into my reasoning. Anti-Semitism is very real and will always exist and is not something that can be justified or supported. That's why the U.S. must continue to support Israel, and the growing movement to the contrary among Democratic leaders in this country scares the hell out of me.

To the rational, and to the majority, my rationale for supporting Israel makes perfect sense. Here's what I'm missing from Sabz5150 and Scooby-Doo - an answer to my question!

What do you think? What would an Islamic nation have to do before Obama waged war?

Don't answer my question with a question. Answer it with YOUR opinion! Is there ANY heinous act that radical Muslims could commit against Israel or the U.S. that you wouldn't justify? My fear is that your answer is "no" and my greater fear is that Obama would agree with you!

Since I answered your question, Mcgee... I pose one of my own:

What heinous act would make the Right drop support for Israel? Even you can't say Israel hasn't done some not-so-nice stuff, such as breaking the ceasefire with Hamas.

And it scares the hell out of ME that Republican leaders, like these radicals, blindly follow a two thousand or so year old book.

I'm going to make a couple of assumptions about you. Please correct me where I'm wrong:

Assumption #1 - You are an atheist.
Assumption #2 - It bothers you MUCH more for Christians to base their actions and opinions on how they read and interpret the Bible than it does for Muslims to base their actions and opinions on how they read and interpret the Koran.

The reason I assume #2 is because I have detected absolutely no outrage from you on the the violent actions by radical Muslims that they admittedly do for the glory of Allah.

Tell me where I am wrong in these assumptions.

You didn't answer my question. You brought it back around to what Bush did that he shouldn't have done. You completely dodged the "what would it take to justify". That's because there is NOTHING HEINOUS enough in your head to justify retaliation against radical Muslims. You just won't admit it.

Give him a real reason.

Me being an "atheist" has no bounds on this. You being a Christian however makes you biased towards them.

Your being "atheist" may have no bounds on this, but your being anti-Christian however makes you biased.

I am not anti-Christian. I am anti-fundamentalist, anti-extremist, anti-dogmatic.

This happens to include, unfortunately for you, a lot of the followers of Christianity.

Does your being anti-Muslim make you biased? Be careful with that one

And still no answer to the one question I posed.:dunno:

I am not anti-Muslim either. Anti-extremist, yes. Anti-terrorist, yes. And I believe that the vast majority of Muslims are "moderate" in that they do not promote religious-driven violence. Every reference I have made references the radical element of that religion.

You, on the other hand, have made derragatory statements about a political party that believes a book over 2,000 years old. A Christian's belief in the Bible is not "extremist". It is basic.

So I asked you a question about Obama. Your response basically pointed back at "not this" and "not that" that Bush did. You didn't answer the question I opened the thread with...so no response to yours! Remember this!

NOW....regarding unanswered questions, you've clearly been ALL OVER this board today, but have gone remarkably silent on the topic of Super Delegates. When do you expect to return to the General Election Topics and address the questions posed to you HOURS ago. Your only response there CLEARLY dodged all of my questions.

Since I answered your question, Mcgee... I pose one of my own:

What heinous act would make the Right drop support for Israel? Even you can't say Israel hasn't done some not-so-nice stuff, such as breaking the ceasefire with Hamas.

This one is easy:

- Israel is the only functioning secular democracy in the Middle East.

Mass killings of innocents in the name of Judaism (or any religion), unprovoked attacks on other governments (you'll say they do this now but you think America was the aggressor who provoked 9/11 and I will never agree), support of dictators with cruel, murderous regimes, the list could go on....all hypotheticals.

Fortunately, as of now, I do not consider support of Israel to be strictly a value of "the Right", unless you consider Hillary Clinton to be right-winged. Unfortunately, I see too many on "the Left" (a.k.a., Jimmy Carter and I fear Barack Obama) moving away from their support of Israel and getting in bed with supporters of terrorism (I know you think it's 'provoked terrorism' but I will never agree) like Hamas.

You will inevitably disagree with what I have said. I will inevitably disagree with your arguments. BTW, your Response --> "when he has a good reason" <---esnopseR is about as vague as you could possibly get. Do you really think you answered my question?