More Hate Crimes- Hangman's noose found on NYC prof's door

You just don't think this through do you?

If you grant the government the authority to punish people for their beliefs concerning race, you open the door for them to punish people for their political/religious beliefs as well. Hanging a noose is idiotic and wrong, and could be considered assault in most states (assault meaning threat of violent action or causing a victim to feel endangered), but the motivation for a malicious act shouldn't matter in sentencing. If you shoot a man because he is Asian, or because you don't like him, you still shot him, and only the act and intent need be considered.

Did a crime occur?
Did the suspect INTEND to commit the crime, and did he act without durress?

Those are the only questions with which our legal system need concern itself. If you want to find out WHY people hate, or try to change other people's opinions, that's a job for sociologists and everyday citizens. Hate crime legislation has gotten us to the point where some radical Christian sects can't even express their religious views (which I find weird and cultish) because they believe homosexuals go to hell.

What happened at Columbia should be treated as an assault (since a threatening atmosphere was created), and if anybody is caught, they should be tried for it (though it will be a hard case to make). You have to have faith in free speech and reject the politics of censorship.

Think it through???????? I shouldn't have to "think it through"...you, obviously, didn't. You know what? I guess I'll never understand someone like you. You want me to subvert the indignity, injustice, and the horrific symbolism personified in "a noose, hanging on a tree, or on someone's door".
By your word, the Jews should have gone on with their dinner and prayers on Krystallnacht, and gotten over themselves.
I was quiet in my youth...I let things go by. I pretended that injustice and racism, and criminality didn't bother me. Well, no longer...being an artist, I am called to speak out against injustice...and I will, at every turn. No heartless, vacuous shell of a human being will make me think otherwise.
If I need to call upon the government to bring to justice those who would dare mock the First Amendment, and use it to instill hate and fear in those of us who stand in the light, then I will do so with all of my being. Go directly to Hell.

Admins, don't ban him for flaming me, he's just emotional and incapable of rational argument.

I don't need you to defend me....taking you to task is worth being banned, if that is the case...I get so sick and tired of "white people" wanting to hold people of color to the letter of the law, while they absolutely bear no responsibility for their own faux pas and misdeeds.
Just where do you get off telling black people that nooses are of no consequence, and that it shouldn't affect us on a visceral level?
It's like telling Jews at Dachau, not to be bothered by the ovens there...the intent is clear. Make no mistake...nooses, in this day and time, signify absolutely nothing but "lynching", as it applies to black people. It doesn't mean "happy damn birthday"...or "come to my bar mitzvah"...it means "remember this nig.., you might be next".....and how disgusting of you to be trying to justify it.
You have no shame....instead of jigaboo, why didn't you just use the word, "nigger", because that is exactly what you meant...and you should be held to the letter of the same law that I am....and should be banned...I'm calling for it. Do not think you can use such a crass and crude analogy, and get away with plying a "racial epithet" "on the cool"....you are not that clever, though you may be that stupid. And people have the audacity to call me a racist, at every turn...I'm sure your crude remarks will go unanswered...such, is typical of this board, and I'm already accustomed to it.
Call the nearest black person " a jigaboo" and see what happens to you, you coward.
It's people like you that are bucking for a racial war....keep on, you might get what you're asking for and more.

Do me a big favor....do not respond to anymore of my posts...and I'll do likewise. You are beneath contempt, and should be ignored.End of line

You just don't think this through do you?

If you grant the government the authority to punish people for their beliefs concerning race, you open the door for them to punish people for their political/religious beliefs as well. Hanging a noose is idiotic and wrong, and could be considered assault in most states (assault meaning threat of violent action or causing a victim to feel endangered), but the motivation for a malicious act shouldn't matter in sentencing. If you shoot a man because he is Asian, or because you don't like him, you still shot him, and only the act and intent need be considered.

Did a crime occur?
Did the suspect INTEND to commit the crime, and did he act without durress?

Those are the only questions with which our legal system need concern itself. If you want to find out WHY people hate, or try to change other people's opinions, that's a job for sociologists and everyday citizens. Hate crime legislation has gotten us to the point where some radical Christian sects can't even express their religious views (which I find weird and cultish) because they believe homosexuals go to hell.

What happened at Columbia should be treated as an assault (since a threatening atmosphere was created), and if anybody is caught, they should be tried for it (though it will be a hard case to make). You have to have faith in free speech and reject the politics of censorship.

gee Freeman15 right up front it is stated, QUOTE: This is for all of you pretenders, who want to deny that this is a racist country, and want to minimize the perpetration of hate crimes as "blown out of proportion" END QUOTE. We are a partial racism country. I myself think more dark skinned inter city people are more raciest than most of the countries people. I feel that way here in Topeka. Places I used to go when I lived in Kansas, before I wouldn't dare go to now! In Indiana, I was surprised in the southwest were I lived there was very little racism. But visiting other veterans when I had to go to Indy, they were very racist. So I stopped visiting them. I grew up with dark skinned as friends. One of my best friends was and I loved his sister. But she had a boyfriend another older than me white guy. And I have several Viet-Nam buddies who are and we get along great. Skin color isn't important to me period. But to some it is a big issue.
back in Georgia while I was 7 years old in 1954, me and mom were riding the bus home and a dark skinneed lady got on and while moving to the rear of the bus I stood up and offered her my seat. When we got off the bus my mother tried to explain that doing that could cause problems, I didn't understand as we had some military friends who came over for dinner several times and I had a few friends who came over that were black. So she just let it go. When I was older Iasked her about it again. And then understood. but it didn't change my mind. And my mother wasn't a racist, She was worried somebody would have known her. What I understood was why I had to insist to the black woman to take my seat.
And yes by Federal law it is being investigated as a crime. You ever hear of Hate crime?

Sorry but Iam slow at times? :dunno: what you mean, Who is refering to a toilet. i am at a lose here.

And the reason black America is in the toilet is.....

People on this site have been banned for less. If this isn't racist, then I don't know what would be.

If I need to call upon the government to bring to justice those who would dare mock the First Amendment, and use it to instill hate and fear in those of us who stand in the light, then I will do so with all of my being. Go directly to Hell.

Daddy,Daddy, that mean man call me a name!!where have the grown folks gone??

The hangman's noose was discovered Tuesday morning, in an echo of other recent incidents involving the symbol reviled by many for its association with lynchings in the Old South.

People keep making these allusions ON illusions.

The lynch was invented in, oh, i don't know... since at LEAST the 15th century. That's when the term was coined, so it was years before then that the hangings started.
source: Lynching - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

just because a lynch was found, and just because the professor was black, doesn't mean it was a hate crime.
Options that everyone seems to overlook:
-it could have been a black student (or even faculty) to leave it.
-it could have been totally random (i couldn't tell you half the college professor names from my own school, and a non ethnic name such as 'jackson' could easily be both white or black.)
-it could have been a prop for some Joan of Arc burning at the stake skit (doubtful... but i hope you catch my drift on it)

Everyone keeps jumping to conclusions that its a hate crime.
What if a black student left a noose on a white professors door?

how would people react to that?

Aaron has the makings of a despot. You can say what you want......so long as it follows my rules and societal assumptions.

Briansol,
Given the fact that an atmosphere of hate and suspicion exist, due to the happenings in Jena,

for someone to hang a noose on a professor's door, could not be construed as anything other than "a hate crime"...That's what it is...get over it.

Because you think that it is not, does not change what others believe about it. Many think it is a hate crime to hang a noose...so do I.

And in your desperation to minimize or diminish the severity of the act, you grasp for straws by suggesting that another "black student" could have left the noose, or some faculty member....while in the realm of possibility, it would be highly unlikely, as there would be nothing to gain from it. While a "white"student might gain some satisfaction at being able to intimidate a professor, or fostering notoriety.
Your suggestion of it being "random", doesn't ring true, either...the person who did it, knew exactly what they were doing, and what result they were seeking.

You can choose to believe that there is no extraterrestrial life. That there is, doesn't change the fact that you were wrong in your assumption or belief.

Just because you don't think that "hanging a noose" doesn't constitute a "hate crime"...does not mean that it isn't.
Doesn't matter what you think anyway....it matters what the majority believe.

If a black student hung a noose on a white professor's door, it would not have the same significance, because lynching wasn't particular to being 'white" and in the South.

It was never used as a tool of intimidation and fear, as it was with blacks. It's a moot point. The fact that you would offer it up as an example shows either an incredible lack of sensitivity and understanding on your part....or the sensibilities of a moron.