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How many sons does God have?

 
 
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 07:29 am
@elltee816,
elltee816;23927 wrote:
well, im pretty sure those that havent had a chance to hear about Jesus dont go to hell. God is a god of inclusion since anyone can accept Jesus.


What does accept Jesus mean? He no longer lives.

Regards
DL
mako cv
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 11:17 am
@Greatest I am cv,
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Yes, and after you see your offspring choose the path of eternal pain and suffering you would let him suffer eternally instead of doing what we would do even for dumb animals. You would not end his or her suffering.

I cannot believe that you as a human would do this.
If you would I fell sorry for you.
If God would then He is not worth following because He would be treating us with less compassion than we would give a dog.
If this is your God, keep him away from anything good. He is evil.


Epicurus summed that up quite concisely in the Epicurean Paradox:

If God is willing to prevent evil but is not able to prevent evil, then he is not omnipotent.
If God is able to prevent evil but is not willing to prevent evil, then he is not benevolent.
Evil is either in accordance with God?s intention or contrary to it.
Thus, either God cannot prevent evil or he does not want to prevent evil.
Therefore, it follows that God is either not omnipotent or he is not benevolent. He cannot be both omnipotent and benevolent.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 05:48 am
@mako cv,
mako;29703 wrote:
Epicurus summed that up quite concisely in the Epicurean Paradox:

If God is willing to prevent evil but is not able to prevent evil, then he is not omnipotent.
If God is able to prevent evil but is not willing to prevent evil, then he is not benevolent.
Evil is either in accordance with God?s intention or contrary to it.
Thus, either God cannot prevent evil or he does not want to prevent evil.
Therefore, it follows that God is either not omnipotent or he is not benevolent. He cannot be both omnipotent and benevolent.


God created the knowledge of evil for a very good reason. He does not want to be followed by those who cannot tell the difference between good and evil.
That is why He lets it fleurish.
Where would we be without it?
Regards
DL
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tvsej
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 09:55 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Religion, The biggest MLM the world has ever seen??? Ask the poor for their last cent, ecourage them to procreate, feed them not, educate them about aids and other STDs but birth control is not allowed. WHY?
"Could it be that there is a man in the sky watching everything we do at every minute of everyday? This man has a list of 10 things he does not want you to do, if you do any of these 10 things you will be cast out into fire and brimstone to spend an eternity in hell, but he loves you!" by (George Carlin)
Think about that for a moment, Opium for the masses? Mmmm! Who knows what will come, I sure don't. I have faith but it is not written in an ever changing to fit the moment book as THEY see fit. The Bible has been written and rewritten throughout history countless times. If the book has all the answers why do THEY keep rewriting it? CONTROL , HELLO!
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mako cv
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 12:16 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
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God created the knowledge of evil for a very good reason.

Actually, according to Isaiah 45:7, God creates evil which gives the ring of truth to the Epicurean Paradox where it states, ?Therefore, it follows that God is either not omnipotent or he is not benevolent. He cannot be both omnipotent and benevolent.? :patriot:
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 03:19 am
@mako cv,
mako;29862 wrote:
Actually, according to Isaiah 45:7, God creates evil which gives the ring of truth to the Epicurean Paradox where it states, ?Therefore, it follows that God is either not omnipotent or he is not benevolent. He cannot be both omnipotent and benevolent.? :patriot:


Like all attributes, these have a good and evil side depending on where and how they are used.
Let's hope God knows the difference.
Till He decides to intervene on this earth, we can only guess and go by the prophets as to the attribute of God and how He uses them.

Regards
DL
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mako cv
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 07:05 am
@Greatest I am cv,
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we can only guess and go by the prophets as to the attribute of God and how He uses them.

Sorry, I would rather not take the words of ill-educated barbarians that thought the world was flat. We only have a 2600 year old book of Bronze Age superstition and mythology to tell us what the prophets said. A book that was pasted together by Yhwhist priests during or after the Babylonian captivity utilizing borrowed material from older religions or history that for the most part seems to be made up to add glory to the worship of YHWH! To base your belief system on such an unsupported document is much like basing your beliefs on Grimm's Fairy Tales. :patriot:
tvsej
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 08:14 am
@mako cv,
mako;29970 wrote:
Sorry, I would rather not take the words of ill-educated barbarians that thought the world was flat. We only have a 2600 year old book of Bronze Age superstition and mythology to tell us what the prophets said. A book that was pasted together by Yhwhist priests during or after the Babylonian captivity utilizing borrowed material from older religions or history that for the most part seems to be made up to add glory to the worship of YHWH! To base your belief system on such an unsupported document is much like basing your beliefs on Grimm's Fairy Tales. :patriot:


Well said!!!:worship:
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 12:21 pm
@mako cv,
mako;29970 wrote:
Sorry, I would rather not take the words of ill-educated barbarians that thought the world was flat. We only have a 2600 year old book of Bronze Age superstition and mythology to tell us what the prophets said. A book that was pasted together by Yhwhist priests during or after the Babylonian captivity utilizing borrowed material from older religions or history that for the most part seems to be made up to add glory to the worship of YHWH! To base your belief system on such an unsupported document is much like basing your beliefs on Grimm's Fairy Tales. :patriot:



Not quite.

If you calculate the amount of energy to write anything down in those days.
As to their level of sophistication, I would say that they were very sophisticated for their time. Their math and astrological calculations is a good start to see just how much they knew then as what we know now.

When was democracy invented?

Regards
DL
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mako cv
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 02:00 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
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As to their level of sophistication, I would say that they were very sophisticated for their time.

Not really?the Persians, Egyptians, and Babylonians were fairly advanced in astronomy (at least in the observation portion of it) and their math was as advanced as a math can get without the concept of zero. The Hebrews (Jews) were aware of these disciplines, but there is no evidence that any Hebrew contributed anything to them. The Greeks at this time were just starting to formulate their studies of the real sciences. Before the Greek philosophers/scientists, the standard treatment of the universe was a ?Terra-centric? system consisting of a flat earth with the moon, sun, stars and planets traveling through the skies and sinking beneath the earth to repeat the cycle again the next day. The Greeks formulated the round earth, the solar-centric universe and the existence of atoms. None of this has anything to do with the Jewish book of mythology or the word of the prophets contained in there. These folk (the prophets) were of the opinion that the world was flat, that the firmament was like a dome or tent, that the world sat on pillars, so why would their words mean anything? As for democracy, it came into being during that period, but not in Palestine or anywhere near there. It came into being in Athens of the 6th century BCE and provided the model for the democratic practices of the Roman Republic and much later the United States of America (Yes Virginia, America is founded on Pagan principles). This leaves us with what I originally said, ?Sorry, I would rather not take the words of ill-educated barbarians that thought the world was flat. We only have a 2600 year old book of Bronze Age superstition and mythology to tell us what the prophets said. A book that was pasted together by Yhwhist priests during or after the Babylonian captivity utilizing borrowed material from older religions or history that for the most part seems to be made up to add glory to the worship of YHWH! To base your belief system on such an unsupported document is much like basing your beliefs on Grimm's Fairy Tales.? :patriot:
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sat 11 Aug, 2007 08:44 am
@mako cv,
mako;30052 wrote:
Not really?the Persians, Egyptians, and Babylonians were fairly advanced in astronomy (at least in the observation portion of it) and their math was as advanced as a math can get without the concept of zero. The Hebrews (Jews) were aware of these disciplines, but there is no evidence that any Hebrew contributed anything to them. The Greeks at this time were just starting to formulate their studies of the real sciences. Before the Greek philosophers/scientists, the standard treatment of the universe was a ?Terra-centric? system consisting of a flat earth with the moon, sun, stars and planets traveling through the skies and sinking beneath the earth to repeat the cycle again the next day. The Greeks formulated the round earth, the solar-centric universe and the existence of atoms. None of this has anything to do with the Jewish book of mythology or the word of the prophets contained in there. These folk (the prophets) were of the opinion that the world was flat, that the firmament was like a dome or tent, that the world sat on pillars, so why would their words mean anything? As for democracy, it came into being during that period, but not in Palestine or anywhere near there. It came into being in Athens of the 6th century BCE and provided the model for the democratic practices of the Roman Republic and much later the United States of America (Yes Virginia, America is founded on Pagan principles). This leaves us with what I originally said, ?Sorry, I would rather not take the words of ill-educated barbarians that thought the world was flat. We only have a 2600 year old book of Bronze Age superstition and mythology to tell us what the prophets said. A book that was pasted together by Yhwhist priests during or after the Babylonian captivity utilizing borrowed material from older religions or history that for the most part seems to be made up to add glory to the worship of YHWH! To base your belief system on such an unsupported document is much like basing your beliefs on Grimm's Fairy Tales.? :patriot:


Not to beat a dead horse but the knowledge of the ancients was advanced enough, the progress of the cosmos, to surprise modern scientist.
The 2012 predictions could not be confirmed till lately.
There may be other examples of this, the alignment of the pyramids, and their construction that may hold more surprises.

Regards
DL
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mako cv
 
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Reply Tue 14 Aug, 2007 11:56 am
@Greatest I am cv,
None of which have anything to do with the Hebrews or the bible. :patriot:
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2007 09:06 am
@mako cv,
mako;30868 wrote:
None of which have anything to do with the Hebrews or the bible. :patriot:


So what.

Do you think that God only lives in one Bible.

God is a God of inclusion. None get to escape from the Heaven that He has created for all of us.

Some fools believe that God looks out of His domain on a Hell that houses all of His loses. God does not have loses.
He began with full ownership of the universe. He will end with full dominion again. No blemish will mare His Perfect reality.

Regards
DL
Bread14Life
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 09:34 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. John 3:18

For God so loved the world that He sent His one and only son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

Theres your answer, he has one son and one son only, his name is Jesus.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 06:36 am
@Bread14Life,
Bread14Life;35582 wrote:
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. John 3:18

For God so loved the world that He sent His one and only son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

There's your answer, he has one son and one son only, his name is Jesus.


If you believe in the divinity of Jesus, do you not have a problem with God using Mary to reproduce a hybrid God. Or reproducing Himself through His mother. Incest. Strange since God had already frowned on the angel human reproduction of the Giants of old. It is also hard to imagine Jesus taking a 9 month holiday from the Godhead of the trinity.

If Jesus was God then does that not negate His sacrifice on the cross. Gods do not die.

Regards
DL
Bread14Life
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 08:12 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Do you know why Jesus died for you? He was beaten beyond recognition for you and suffered for you and died to pay the penalty for your sins as well as everyones. He rose from the grave on the third day and appeared to many people then ascended into heaven. He is not dead my friend, he is very much alive.
JesusDiedForU
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 11:55 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;35623 wrote:
If you believe in the divinity of Jesus, do you not have a problem with God using Mary to reproduce a hybrid God. Or reproducing Himself through His mother. Incest. Strange since God had already frowned on the angel human reproduction of the Giants of old. It is also hard to imagine Jesus taking a 9 month holiday from the Godhead of the trinity.

If Jesus was God then does that not negate His sacrifice on the cross. Gods do not die.

Regards
DL



You are right...God's do not die... They conquer death.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 11:58 am
@Bread14Life,
Bread14Life;35630 wrote:
Do you know why Jesus died for you? He was beaten beyond recognition for you and suffered for you and died to pay the penalty for your sins as well as everyones. He rose from the grave on the third day and appeared to many people then ascended into heaven. He is not dead my friend, he is very much alive.


I do not need a repeat of the bible and it's lore.

Speaking to what I wrote might further discussion.

If He was divine the woes that you show would mean absolutely nothing.

How about an answer to my previous questions? Is incest OK?

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 12:09 pm
@JesusDiedForU,
JesusDiedForU;35748 wrote:
You are right...God's do not die... They conquer death.


You make my point.
If Jesus was divine then no sacrifice for Him.

Regards
DL
JesusDiedForU
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 04:34 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;35763 wrote:
You make my point.
If Jesus was divine then no sacrifice for Him.

Regards
DL


No, Jesus showed that He was God by conquering death.

He brought other people back from the dead and He also came back from the death via the power of the Father.
 

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