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GAYS - The Bible is full of Crapola

 
 
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 05:28 pm
@DesertDave,
I say as long as they mind their own business, we should leave gays alone.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 06:53 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;20356 wrote:
I say as long as they mind their own business, we should leave gays alone.


Is their own business including marriage and child adoption and rearing and in some cases having their own children. Pension rights etc...
Is this all OK with you?

Regards
DL
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 06:58 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;19561 wrote:
The authors are most probably homosexual or bi-sexual which is the same thing.



Bi sexual is the same as Homo Sexual? LMAO Homosexuals prefer one sex (their own) Hetro sexuals prefer ONE sex (their opposite) Bi Sexuals prefer BOTH, WHo is the most tolerant? Looks to me like God wants us to be more tolerant LOL

On a serious note, In ALL views their are three main points they call all be Graphed on a bell curve. The extreme right of the belle curve is Homo sexuality, the extreme left Hetro sexuality. What is in the middle? BI sexuality.

In every other instance People claim the middle ground (Or hope they do) But sexuality is different?

Besides Being Bi doubles your chances of a date on friday night, more power to them.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 07:03 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;20364 wrote:
Is their own business including marriage and child adoption and rearing and in some cases having their own children. Pension rights etc...
Is this all OK with you?

Regards
DL


No. That's going too far. We are a Christian society, IMO, and must deliberately maintain ourselves in that state.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 07:08 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;20368 wrote:
No. That's going too far. We are a Christian society, IMO, and must deliberately maintain ourselves in that state.


I do not understand, are you saying that a gay person cannot be a good Christian.
Or your Christianity handles gays differently or what??

Regards
DL
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 07:50 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;20371 wrote:
I do not understand, are you saying that a gay person cannot be a good Christian.
Or your Christianity handles gays differently or what??

Regards
DL


Gays can certainly be good Christians. They just can't act on their impulses because they're disordered. If they can't act on their impulses, they certainly can't get married, or raise kids as couples, or any of that conventional stuff. Sorry. That's Catholic teaching, and I agree with it. :headbang:
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 07:53 pm
@DesertDave,
Gay Marriage, eh whatever, A gay couple raising a kid, I am against, Why? Because a kids life is hard enough, Kids are ridculed and teased about everything, lets just give them ONE MORE thing to be miseable about in life.
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STNGfan
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 11:21 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;18913 wrote:
For we did not follow cleverly contrived myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ; instead, we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, a voice came to Him from the Majestic Glory:
This is My beloved Son.
I take delight in Him!
And we heard this voice when it came from heaven while we were with Him on the holy mountain. So we have the prophetic word strongly confirmed. You will do well to pay attention to it, as to a lamp shining in a dismal place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts. First of all, you should know this: no prophecy of Scripture comes from one's own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the will of man; instead, moved by the Holy Spirit, men spoke from God.


One word.. Hearsay

Also another word... Credibility

We have no credibility of the authors of the bible. Humans are failable.. The bible is written by humans and thus is failable.

I take the bible with a grain of salt.
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STNGfan
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 11:24 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;18916 wrote:
There is nothing new under the sun. Humans are the same in every age. There hasn't been some evolutionary transition to homosexuality. That's just gay.

Try and slap. You reap what you sow. God is eternal and His Word is also. Again, you reap what you sow.



Yes I heard your God can be quite unpleasant if you piss him off such as killing your kids for your sins.

I mean killing innocent children for the sins of their parents.
It is inspiring.
A vengeful, Jealous God.
Wow I am truly impressed..
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STNGfan
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 11:28 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;19506 wrote:
So your a Christian but you think the Bible's stance on Homosexuality is wrong?

Seems a bit hypocritical wouldn't you think?



No I do not think it is being hypocritical. The moderate Christians look at the bible as a guide book not a rule book. They see the old testiment especailly out of date. Homosexuality is an abomination goes right out the window along with selling your daughter to your neighbor and stoning people to death for blasphamy, the world is flat, it is ok to own slaves..yadda yadda yadda.

Jesus never spoke on homosexuality and Jesus accepted the sinner. He infact said why go to those who do not sin because they do not need to be saved it is the ones who sin who need our attention and love.
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STNGfan
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 11:33 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;19539 wrote:
overbread lmao

no I was playing the devils advocate

as I posted, homosexuality is a genetic defect, like alcoholism. If research and progress is left unchecked by those on the far left within 100 years we will probably be able to find the trait in fetus's and treat it with hormone therapy to correct it.

While I think it's wrong based on the fact that it's unnatural, gay people don't scare me


Are we the human race a defect? I am wondering because the only way we are here today is because of a random mutation or defect that caused an evolutionary step that created the race homo sapians?

Alcoholism hurts people. Homosexuality hurts no one.

Homosexuality is a normal occurance in nature for a species as successful as we are today. When an environment is overpopulated with the same species natures finds a way to slow down the breeding process...you get homosexuality or infertility.

In biblical times homosexuality was an obomination because our species was thin and we were near extention. We could not afford to by wasteful reproductively and so that rule was made.

Today that rule is no longer required.
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STNGfan
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 11:39 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;19563 wrote:
Ever hear of taught values? Heterosexuals can make more babies. Homosexuals recruit. What did Jesus say about misleading children?


Values... you mean christian values... like Compassion, tolerance and understanding..

You mean like how Christian recruit by brainwashing little children in sunday school and tell them how God is so loving and kind but omit where he kills and smites you if you make him mad? Like killing the innocent babies of egypt because he hardened the pherohs heart to not let the Jews go?

Yes the bible smells of Values and ethics especailly in the OT.
STNGfan
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 11:43 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;19566 wrote:
Parents who have children who choose homosexuality have their judge, God. However, the parent is not put to death because of the child and the child is not put to death because of the parent. Both earn their eternal fate standing on their own merits and their acceptance of Christ, or not.


Exodus 20:5-6 (also Dt 5:9)

I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

In this life yes the children can be put to death for the sins of the parents

However in the after life the death of the soul will be determined by your owns sins according to the myth of the bible.
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 03:43 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;20376 wrote:
Gays can certainly be good Christians. They just can't act on their impulses because they're disordered. If they can't act on their impulses, they certainly can't get married, or raise kids as couples, or any of that conventional stuff. Sorry. That's Catholic teaching, and I agree with it. :headbang:


In other words you are homophobic right.

You would have them suppress their God given natures.
Why would God make them that way if it were not good.

Regards
DL
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 07:37 am
@STNGfan,
STNGfan;20394 wrote:
Values... you mean christian values... like Compassion, tolerance and understanding..

You mean like how Christian recruit by brainwashing little children in sunday school and tell them how God is so loving and kind but omit where he kills and smites you if you make him mad? Like killing the innocent babies of egypt because he hardened the pherohs heart to not let the Jews go?

Yes the bible smells of Values and ethics especailly in the OT.


Your compassion and my compassion seem not to be the same. God's Word does not teach tolerance for evil. He teaches that you are to fight evil with the whole armor of God.

Actually, the Bible school I attended included the smitings. It was not brain washing. It was education. What is the definition of education? I'm glad you asked.

Definition of education - Merriam-Webster Online DictionaryPurpose of Education
"We must ask ourselves what our goals are when educating our children. "The end of learning" wrote John Milton "is to repair the ruin of our first parents by regaining to know God aright, and out of that knowledge to love Him, to imitate Him, to be like Him."

Here is another:

Purpose of Education
"Encyclopedia Britannica of 1952 says the purpose of education is to raise up children to follow in their parents traditions with good success.
Parents in all societies want their children to have the same values as themselves.

What happens when people with different beliefs teach the children?
If the king of England could control the teaching in Russia, wouldn't he try to have subtle teachings to change the children?
The Russians clearly stated they wanted to change the way children in America were taught, even before World War II.
Clearly, each power wants to teach children according to their ways of thinking.
The great question is who will be in control of teaching children, the parents or the central government ?

Notice in all changes of power, the new conqueror tends to purge (murder or imprison) the previous leading thinkers of the conquered society.

Consider the man who saw his child grow up to have totally different values than his own. It alienates members of the family.

By 1998 The World Book encyclopedia said some of the main purpose of schools today was to replace what parents were no longer doing for their children, to give them guidance and values. The new system of federal government schools did not begin until 1948 when the foolish Supreme Court removed Bible classes from school campus. Centralized control of our schools was further strengthened when LBJ established the U.S. Dept. of Education. Remember, from 1620 till 1960, there was no provision for centralized control over schools. The federal government was not originally intended to teach our children.

If the king of England could have controlled what schools taught, the Magna Charter would never have been gained by the people of England.
Instead, the king would have taught all the children to be totally submissive to the king and all his wishes.
Early American settlers well knew the importance of training up their children, and the effects of outside influences contrary to their own beliefs.
That's why they left England for Holland, and Holland for America.

TRADITIONAL UNDERSTANDING OF A GOOD SCHOOL
Whatever the ways of living are, each society wants its children to fit into the society of the parents. The children are expected to carry on the values and ideas of their parents.
Schools are expected to give children the tools they need to earn a living.
That has been the traditional understanding of a good education.

The American Indians wanted their children to learn to hunt and ride a horse and worship the great spirit. They failed in their raising of children according to their culture and their culture is evaporated away. The Moslems want their children to believe like they do, so they teach them their way. The atheists want their children to believe like they do, so they teach them their way; not only their own children, but they try to teach everyone else's children too!

Atheists are effectually doing a more active job of evangelism to their way of thinking than are the Christians.
Consider the schools and what is taught and what is omitted.

Scripture says, It is an abomination for the righteous to fall down before those who do not believe, but that is what has happened in the public schools of this land. Proverbs 25:26
Prov 29:2 ...when the unbelievers rule the schools, the people mourn for the fruit in their off-spring

HUMANISM is just another word for atheism. It began in the garden of Eden when the serpent deceived Eve into ignoring God and believing that her own knowledge of good and evil would make her like her own god.

The humanists have a written agenda, nationally published, for many years, to destroy the traditional Christian faith from children in school. They claim to be winning the battle in the classrooms. The humanists have gained so much control over what is being taught and how it is being taught that the children are being won over to their philosophies at a greater and greater rate. That rate is rapidly accelerating.

The people in political and economic power who are willing to invest their time and efforts and resources to raising up a generation of children to fit their own society are mostly the humanists. Look at how the local Lutheran school had to close its doors because of lack of support. Look at how the children of Christian parents don't know even the Ten Commandments, but they do know many tenets of Humanism as a way of belief. Then ask who is working harder to mold the minds of children?

Remember the purpose of education is to train up children in the way that you want them to be. Training is a process over time. What training is your child getting five days a week that fit with the way God has commanded all who believe in Him to raise up their children?"
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 07:42 am
@DesertDave,
Any one who read the Bible literally will find a looser of a God who can't quite seem to get things right. Killing humans looks like a pastime for God if you read literally.
God is real but has little to do with those who read the Bible literally.

Regards
DL
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 07:48 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;20371 wrote:
I do not understand, are you saying that a gay person cannot be a good Christian.
Or your Christianity handles gays differently or what??

Regards
DL


Sure a homosexual can be a good Christian when they repent from their homosexual behavior. Read the Bible.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 09:40 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Word has it that all the anti-gay commentary in the Bible was recently snuck in by SEARCHLIGHT forgers. Be careful.:peace:
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 10:37 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;20416 wrote:
Sure a homosexual can be a good Christian when they repent from their homosexual behavior. Read the Bible.


Homosexuals have no reason to repent.
I see though that you are not interested in answering any question and hide your homophobia behind scripture.

Regards
DL
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jun, 2007 11:21 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;20402 wrote:
In other words you are homophobic right.

You would have them suppress their God given natures.
Why would God make them that way if it were not good.

Regards
DL


Your premise is false. Homosexuality is a choice. If you mean that God created man with free will and that creates a rebellious nature so God can't hold someone accountable for their free will actions, then it is still a false premise. It is false because it attempts to remove personal responsibility from the actor.
 

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