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Why I don't like the Current Constitution Of the United States

 
 
Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 09:49 am
I dont Like Ron Paul for more than just Constitution, but I shant defend that as he is not a threat. I will just continue to point and laugh at his failed campaign.

As for the Constitution. I do not like that what was relevant in 1776 is expected to be word for word relevant today. The right to own and Bear Arms clause (Not word for word I know) I doubt that would be in the constitution if the Founding Fathers knew in the future we would have Uzis, and Ak's LEGALLY available on the streets. It would definitely have been reworded.


I do not like the entirety of the 4th amendment. I am willing to give up a few Privacies/ Civil Liberties, if it thwarts one 9/11 plot.


I think the 8th amendment should be redefined by popular vote what is cruel and unusual punishment

I think That the 9th amendment is ignored, by those who Claim the 1st Amendment does not Mean Separation Of Church and State. So if part is being ignored then the rest holds less value.



The 11th amendment is ****, It is saying if you ahve a problem against the state you cant go over their head to Federal Court you have to go to state court... RYAN VS STATE... STATE with Decide???? LOL


I think the 12th amendment should be removed entirely, as the electoral college has prove more than once they do not always cast their votes by the will of the constituency's


I think the 14th amendment should be changed, Thats the one that made everyone vote equal (used to be black peoples only counted as 3/5ths of a vote.


I think if it is deemed that a person is mooching off the system (Has section 8 housing food stamps 6 kids, but drives an Escalade) They should not have a full vote... Contribute, to society. (thats for any nationality)


I think the 18th amendment should be reinstated (prohibition) Alcohol NEVER does any good to a person so **** can it.... And I like Wine, I enjoy Football and beer.


22nd amendment limiting president to 2 terms OR ten years (yes I said 10 years) I think so long as the man wants the job, so long as the popular vote wants him to keep doing that job, he should stay in that job.
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2008 06:18 am
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;52368 wrote:
I do not like the entirety of the 4th amendment. I am willing to give up a few Privacies/ Civil Liberties, if it thwarts one 9/11 plot.


Even the 2nd amendment (which you conveniently leave out)? Whereas you might be willing to give up rights, I most certainly am not.

What if your "change" fails to foil another 9/11... what then? More liberties lost to "protect" us? You're looking at a sheer cliff coated in vaseline... slippery as hell and no way back up.

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I think the 8th amendment should be redefined by popular vote what is cruel and unusual punishment


I think common sense should dictate that one. Suffocating someone and almost wringing the life out of them is definitely cruel, but unfortunately not unusual.

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I think That the 9th amendment is ignored, by those who Claim the 1st Amendment does not Mean Separation Of Church and State. So if part is being ignored then the rest holds less value.


That problem reaches from the pulpit to the oval office. It's damn near impossible to have someone set aside their religious beliefs for... anything.

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The 11th amendment is ****, It is saying if you ahve a problem against the state you cant go over their head to Federal Court you have to go to state court... RYAN VS STATE... STATE with Decide???? LOL


I agree. Also, some states have a pseudo immunity that allows them to decide whether you can bring your case forth or not.

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I think the 12th amendment should be removed entirely, as the electoral college has prove more than once they do not always cast their votes by the will of the constituency's


Again, agreed.

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I think the 14th amendment should be changed, Thats the one that made everyone vote equal (used to be black peoples only counted as 3/5ths of a vote.


For the purpose of?

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I think if it is deemed that a person is mooching off the system (Has section 8 housing food stamps 6 kids, but drives an Escalade) They should not have a full vote... Contribute, to society. (thats for any nationality)


How about social status? Again, how many richies pay very little to no taxes, and have a much louder and powerful voice than the rest of us?

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I think the 18th amendment should be reinstated (prohibition) Alcohol NEVER does any good to a person so **** can it.... And I like Wine, I enjoy Football and beer.


Tried that once, see... didn't work back then, see... might wanna rethink that one... m'yeah see...

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22nd amendment limiting president to 2 terms OR ten years (yes I said 10 years) I think so long as the man wants the job, so long as the popular vote wants him to keep doing that job, he should stay in that job.


Another nasty little slope.
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:47 am
@rugonnacry,
I didnt conveniently leave out the 2nd amendment, but lets go ahead throw a problem there too, I do believe in the right to a states militia, and I do agree with he interpretation of the Right To Own and Bare arms, But I do not agree that the founding fathers foresight consisted of Uzis and AK47's (Which you can buy legally in some states)


As for the 4th amendment, slippery slope or not, If it prevents ONE (nothing about all) attack, then that civil liberty is not needed. People misquote Ben Franklin all the time here and I shall make reference, something to the effect of Those who are willing to give up liberty for freedom deserve neither. Quite honestly How free are we living with the fear of another 9/11...


14th amendment Richies do pay little in taxes... but their 2 % that they do pay is still MUCH more than the 20 percent you and I pay... Even though I am a fan of the FLAT tax plan. Even though those folks dont contribute their fair percentage to the current ttax plan, they are not just sitting on millions in cash... They invest in cooper co trucking company as a major shareholder effectively keeping their 15000 employees in a job... Thats a huge HUGE contribution.


And the 22nd amendment, We have had only one president serve more than two terms, and in my opinion it was a resounding success (FDR) If he hadn't died he would have been president for another term or two.
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2008 09:18 am
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;52730 wrote:
I didnt conveniently leave out the 2nd amendment, but lets go ahead throw a problem there too, I do believe in the right to a states militia, and I do agree with he interpretation of the Right To Own and Bare arms, But I do not agree that the founding fathers foresight consisted of Uzis and AK47's (Which you can buy legally in some states)


The founding father's foresight also didn't consist of a near instantaneous global communications network either. Yet here we are, able to speak our minds without fear of persecution.

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As for the 4th amendment, slippery slope or not, If it prevents ONE (nothing about all) attack, then that civil liberty is not needed. People misquote Ben Franklin all the time here and I shall make reference, something to the effect of Those who are willing to give up liberty for freedom deserve neither. Quite honestly How free are we living with the fear of another 9/11...


Not very free, since we're giving up liberties and freedoms because of our fear of another 9/11.

The quote is "Those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither", and it rings true. Giving up freedoms to be free simply doesn't work. It's like emptying a swimming pool because you're worried someone might drown while playing.

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14th amendment Richies do pay little in taxes...


Sometimes none.

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but their 2 % that they do pay is still MUCH more than the 20 percent you and I pay... Even though I am a fan of the FLAT tax plan. Even though those folks dont contribute their fair percentage to the current ttax plan, they are not just sitting on millions in cash... They invest in cooper co trucking company as a major shareholder effectively keeping their 15000 employees in a job... Thats a huge HUGE contribution.


"Even though they don't contribute their fair percentage..."

That's the line that snags the whole thing. We are all required to pay our fair share, anyone that does not, regardless of "contributions" is working against the solution. Doesn't matter how much they have.

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And the 22nd amendment, We have had only one president serve more than two terms, and in my opinion it was a resounding success (FDR) If he hadn't died he would have been president for another term or two.


That could swing either way, but that's more of a tradition than anything else.
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2008 09:52 am
@rugonnacry,
They are working within the law though... WHich is why I support a Flat Tax... Keeps folks from one not paying enough, anfd two not being punished for making lots more than you or I ( Keep in Mind I say you and I as the regular Joe... You may make millions a year I dont know)



I would rather be safe than free. Just my humble opinion.
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2008 04:29 pm
@rugonnacry,
The Constitution exists as a way to restrict the government, never to restrict the people. It was written with the specific intentions of telling the government what it could not do, in order to protect the people from the government.

The Constitution still works as long as we adhere to it. That we, is you and I. The same we that wrote the Constitution. The Constitution is a set of rules that WE enacted that our government must abide by, and WE have to keep them in check by enforcing these rules.

We can maintain security without allowing the government to overstep these rules.
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2008 10:19 am
@rugonnacry,
Adaptation, and evolution must take place.

We dont stone rapists and RAPE VICTIMS anymore do we?
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2008 12:31 pm
@rugonnacry,
Came across this article. I just though of it reading rugonnacry's last post:

You want a more 'progressive' America? Careful what you wish for. - Yahoo! News
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2008 05:47 am
@rugonnacry,
America's Constitution is a political masterpiece. Too bad it was crafted in a different time, by different people, and now gradually fades into irrelevance. In fact, it's slowly becoming a means of our dissolution as a viable state and nation.:no:
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