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Illegal Immigration

 
 
92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2007 03:43 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;18629 wrote:
I want to revive this discussion since there is a senate vote pending on complete amnesty for 15-20 million immigrants. Ted Kennedy claims they will become part of the system receiving benefits and paying taxes. However, I know first hand that the vast majority of undocumented workers from Mexico send most of what they make back to Mexico, spending only the bear minimum in the US. Mexico has a line item in their budget for money sent to their country from the US.


Yea, something like 3 million (or billion) a year. Thing is, they don't want citizenship, and why would they? They can sponge off our healthcare, live and work here, then get a free ride home whenever they want. And the great thing is, no one is going to look for them to send them back. Of course, if it's given to them free, they might take us up on it, then can loaf around on SS too, and not really have to work so hard, ask anyone in the ghetto, you can then blame all your problems on someone else, and continue taking hand outs. Of course, it doesn't really matter to either party, both are happily selling out America for the prospective votes.

I'd like to know what the added benefit is of absorbing them as citizens, as opposed to enforing laws already in place. I mean teh whole scheme of the bill is that we won't offer citizenship until the border is under control, why not just lock it down now, and NOT absorb millions of criminals?
92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2007 05:07 pm
@leftcoast09,
From a California school teacher - - -

"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas" whores and throwing things that the teachers were in tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc., etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

There are many hardworking Hispanic/American citizens that contribute to our country and many that I consider my true friends. We should encourage and accept those Hispanics who have done it the right and legal way.

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about "politically correct" that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know. CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

Consumers don't want expensive produce.

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. there is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

He qualifies for food stamps.

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

He requires bilingual teachers and books.

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once

qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense.

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

The American taxpayer's also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people. THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES FOR EITHER PARTY. 'AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM AT ONCE!'
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2007 05:38 pm
@leftcoast09,
Scooby..? Are you reading...?
Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2007 06:47 pm
@leftcoast09,
Scooby probably stopped reading after the first line.
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2007 09:22 am
@leftcoast09,
What? Our young socialist friend is speechless?
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2007 01:42 pm
@leftcoast09,
Great :thumbup:
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couchp
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2007 10:54 am
@Celerity,
I'm a bit behind on this one, work & the like! Anyway, celerity you are right in many ways regarding there is more racism out there, towards the USA, UK.
I suppose you can blame history on us the English, for most of the Indian, Pakistan, African & other hatred towards the west. We conquered then forced them to adopt culture which had taken us thousands of years to develop, expecting them to adopt practically overnight 'give or take a hundred or so years'. And, some hate us for being there!
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TrueAmerican
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 09:35 pm
@leftcoast09,
I say we invest into something similar to the Great Wall of China. In all the years that wall has been up, not one mexican has crossed over into China! It'd be genius! Ha-Ha
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scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 06:46 am
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;18659 wrote:
Scooby..? Are you reading...?


I WONDERED WHEN MY NAME WOULD BE BROUGHT UP IN THIS :peace:
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scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 06:46 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;18667 wrote:
Scooby probably stopped reading after the first line.


NOPE :thumbup:
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scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 06:50 am
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;18692 wrote:
What? Our young socialist friend is speechless?


when did i say they US should have an open-border policy,and just let anyone and everyone in ?
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 08:01 am
@leftcoast09,
What's you opinion on our immigration problem Mr. Meddler? LOL
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2007 09:06 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;26748 wrote:
What's you opinion on our immigration problem Mr. Meddler? LOL


You don't need to ask. If it hurts America, he's for it. If it doesn't, he's not. End of conversation. :no:
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 01:12 pm
@92b16vx,
Have a look at this:

The year is 1907, one hundred years ago......

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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