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Rudy Giuliani is a liberal democrat, not a republican

 
 
92b16vx
 
Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 04:24 pm
Rudy Giuliani: Lifelong Liberal

By: George J. Marlin
April 16, 2007 06:33 PM EST

Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani has been barnstorming the nation, claiming the Ronald Reagan mantle. Recent opinion polls suggest his campaign is striking a chord with the GOP's rank and file but indicate most Republicans don't really know where Mr. Giuliani stands on key issues.

Those who do know are glossing over some very striking philosophical flaws -- at least from a truly conservative perspective. Rudy not only supports abortion but also has advocated for partial-birth abortion and government funding of abortion. He favors gun control, gay rights, domestic partnerships and bias-crime laws. And that's just a short list.

As a conservative activist who has observed Giuliani for many years (and who ran against him in the 1993 mayoral election), I can say categorically that he is not now, nor has he ever been, a conservative. In my judgment, his record leaves no doubt that he's a lifelong liberal.

In college, Rudy attacked senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona, the 1964 GOP presidential nominee, as an "incompetent, confused and sometimes idiotic man," and he urged Republicans to "find men who will adequately address themselves to the problems of discrimination, of poverty, of education, of public housing and the many more problems that Sen. Goldwater and company throw aside in the name of small laissez-faire government."

Former New York governor Mario Cuomo, a liberal icon, put it this way: "(Giuliani's) basically very pragmatic. And he's progressive. He is not a Neanderthal, a primitive conservative. But look, he's a clever human being. He can shave and draw fine distinctions when he needs to."

Giuliani's first wife, Regina, agreed. She told Giuliani biographer Wayne Barrett that when she and Rudy separated in 1980, she "still considered him to be a liberal Democrat." She also observed that "(Rudy) generally won't do things unless he believes them, ... but he's not a saint, and he will do things that serve his interests."

Rudy first switched from Democrat to Independent, and then to Republican, not because he embraced the tenets of conservatism but in order to move up the U.S. Justice Department ladder.

"He only became a Republican after he began to get all these (Justice Department) jobs," Rudy's mother, Helen Giuliani, told Barrett. "He's definitely not a conservative Republican. He thinks he is, but he isn't. He still feels very sorry for the poor."


As a candidate for mayor of New York, Giuliani distanced himself from Ronald Reagan and the GOP. During his first mayoral bid, in 1989, The New York Times pointed out that he "noted frequently that he was supported by the liberal wing of the Republican Party and maintained that he never embraced Mr. Reagan's broad conservative agenda." And when conservatives attacked him during that 1993 mayoral campaign, Giuliani said, "Their fear of me is that I'm going to be a beachhead for the establishment of a more progressive form of Republicanism."

On another occasion he told a television host, "I do not look to see what the catechism of conservatism says about how to solve a problem."

And we mustn't forget that when Giuliani endorsed governor Cuomo for reelection to a fourth term in 1994, he did so, he said, because Republican George Pataki had "a very right-wing voting record" and because Pataki proposed an "irresponsible" 25 percent state income tax cut.

Giuliani also seriously considered endorsing Bill Clinton in 1996 and instead backed Republican nominee Bob Dole with very little fanfare.

"Most of Clinton's policies," he said at the time, "are very similar to mine."


Some Republicans and conservatives are now claiming that Rudy has changed and really become more conservative, and they cite as an example his abandonment of his former vehement opposition to school vouchers. But when Rudy Crew, former New York City Public Schools chancellor, asked Giuliani about this policy shift, the mayor said, "Don't worry about it. It's just a political thing, a campaign thing. I'm not going to do anything. Don't take it seriously." This particular rightward shift was simply a ploy to enhance Giuliani's 2000 U.S. Senate candidacy.

Contrary to what we've been hearing and reading, Rudy Giuliani is today what he has always been: a liberal. Conservatives should take stories of his Damascus Road-like conversion with a grain of salt. Rudy, like Hillary, is campaigning for the presidency in order to implement lifelong leftist beliefs.

George J. Marlin's latest book is "Squandered Opportunities: New York's Pataki Years" (St. Augustine's Press, 2006). In 1993, he was the Conservative Party candidate for mayor of New York City.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 05:31 pm
@92b16vx,
Rudy is as far left and Clinton was to the right. He's not an ultra conservative and that's why he's marketable. Anything "bush-like" is unelectable, to keep the country moving in the "right" direction on any level we'll need a moderate. And we'll need one who understands the importance of the war on terror and has expereince running a large economy... someone allot like Rudy! :-)

Rudy is a republican because Republicans, more and more, are becomming further moderate. Rudy isn't in bed with religion and is to moderate to be a neo-con. He reprosents young republicans
Freeman15
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 05:40 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;43590 wrote:
Rudy is as far left and Clinton was to the right. He's not an ultra conservative and that's why he's marketable. Anything "bush-like" is unelectable, to keep the country moving in the "right" direction on any level we'll need a moderate. And we'll need one who understands the importance of the war on terror and has expereince running a large economy... someone allot like Rudy! :-)

Rudy is a republican because Republicans, more and more, are becomming further moderate. Rudy isn't in bed with religion and is to moderate to be a neo-con. He reprosents young republicans


The "war on terror" is not important, quit kidding yourself. Terrorism cannot be defeated by force of arms because terrorism is a TACTIC, not an ideology. Tell me, how does Rudy plan to put an end to muslim extremism as an ideology? Does he propose we invade every country and jail all muslim extremists?

The answer is simple, and then we can end this idiotic foreign policy decision:

Go into Pakistan, get Osama, kill everyone in our way.
Withdraw all forces from the Middle East and other countries.
Stop financing Israel, they can take care of themselves.

Then, if anybody attacks us (because there will ALWAYS be a threat of somebody wanting to harm us), we kill everybody in their organization, destroy any country that gave them support, and leave. No building nations, no democracy now, just KILL YOUR ENEMY. This is not hard, but Rudy seems to think that continuing to do things that Osama TOLD US makes them want to attack us while invading innocent countries is the best way to win a war on a tactic.

I'm dead serious now. How does Rudy plan to remove muslim extremism from the world?
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briansol
 
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Reply Tue 30 Oct, 2007 05:12 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;43590 wrote:
He reprosents young republicans


i don't think so.

the only thing he represents is himself.


who's the biggest group on the internet? 16-30 i would guess.
and why does ron paul have the largest internet following? probably because he caters to the young person
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lancesorbenson
 
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Reply Fri 9 Nov, 2007 03:34 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;43590 wrote:
Rudy is as far left and Clinton was to the right. He's not an ultra conservative and that's why he's marketable. Anything "bush-like" is unelectable, to keep the country moving in the "right" direction on any level we'll need a moderate. And we'll need one who understands the importance of the war on terror and has expereince running a large economy... someone allot like Rudy! :-)

Rudy is a republican because Republicans, more and more, are becomming further moderate. Rudy isn't in bed with religion and is to moderate to be a neo-con. He reprosents young republicans


What does that mean "running a large economy"? You keep saying that Giuliani ran a large economy. When someone says the city council of NY actually "controls" economic matters for the city, you have no cogent response. What did Giuliani do to "run" the economy of NYC?
92b16vx
 
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Reply Mon 12 Nov, 2007 12:38 am
@lancesorbenson,
lancesorbenson;44942 wrote:
What did Giuliani do to "run" the economy of NYC?


Nothing.
REDWHITEBLUE2
 
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Reply Mon 12 Nov, 2007 06:22 pm
@92b16vx,
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How does Rudy plan to remove muslim extremism from the world?
Nuke the middle east back to the stone age?
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 09:54 pm
@REDWHITEBLUE2,
REDWHITEBLUE2;45218 wrote:
Nuke the middle east back to the stone age?


Along with all the innocent civilians? I'm sure that will go real well! :wtf:
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scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 09:47 am
@REDWHITEBLUE2,
REDWHITEBLUE2;45218 wrote:
Nuke the middle east back to the stone age?


then you want have their oil :lightbulb:
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