I have grown suspicious over Ron Paul

by going to war with iraq, it wasn't passed through congress, which according to our constitution says "only congress has the power to declare war". so yes, it was a crime.

we were already THERE by october 2002 though. a vote after the fact is ****.

The Iraq War, also known as the Occupation of Iraq[35], the Second Gulf War,[36] or Operation Iraqi Freedom,[37] is an ongoing conflict which began on March 20, 2003 with the United States-led invasion of Iraq.

You know I've been reading some of the things the Ron Paul supports have been saying and they've really turned me on to a new way of thinking.

The FBI monitors suspected terrorists and for national security reasons can't disclose every last detail during ongoing investigations. So they suspect the FBI is making things up to scare us.

The president says there aren't any secret torture prisons, and there isn't any proof of them. But the lack of proof that they exist has caused allot of these Ron Paulers, and liberals, to think that maybe in reality they're all over the place, doing unspeakable things. And the fact that there isn't any proof proves it's being covered up.

When asked for any proof on any of this the same response it always given "I can't prove it, it's a cover up, I'm suspicious"

Consider Ron Paul's foreign policy...

He wants us completlely out of the Mid East tomorrow, but so does Bin Laden...

He wants to destroy the FBI/CIA... but so does Bin Laden...

He says that Bush committed a crime by going to war with Iraq, Iran says the same thing...

I dunno, it's all to much coincidence for me. It HAS to mean that Ron Paul is in fact, an Al Qaeda operative! I can't prove it, I'm actually suspicious that maybe the proof may have been covered up. And that Hillary Clinton is also on their side, drawing away GOP voters so she can win the election. She would also pull us out of the region, just seems like more proof to me that the Dem's, Bin Laden, and Ron Paul are all working together to destroy the War on Terror so that America can be destroyed!

Ron Paul... I'm onto you :beat:

hey don't blame Rudy, it isn't his Fault Mayor Ray Nagin can't do his job

you guys are just mad because I broke your toy

Great thread. wow whereto start first. I was looking at our Constitution the other day freeman15. Section 8 covers this and also TAXES!
NARA | The National Archives Experience

While a little bit earlier I was watching the History Channel on Irans's President it was his Biggraphy and his growth from no where to President, which is really a puppet to the Surpreme (something) Holy council. And even though it was from 2006, it backs up Silverchild79 statement, I Quote: but the fact is if we go through with his plans in the Middle East we will be attacked again and Iran could very well spark WWIII, that isn't an option either. End Quote. The speaker was worried about Iran, starting WWIII as the Iran President told the UN leader American won WWII but Iran will win WWIII. Now that is something to consider in the face of his other anti American remarks.
I do believe all the hype about our Dem Hopefulls flip flopping on thre War was because they did vote to allow Bush to decide to go to war!
Now please re-read this and the links before replying with the typicall crap, please!
And by the way Great Post Silverchild79 and just as great replies from each poster so far.
may each of you Have A Nice day...........:-)
Oh by the way I watched Lewis Black, again the other night. Just gotta love the guy!

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

You still haven't the grasp of Ron Pauls foreign policy, you just regurgatate what morons like Hannity belch from their infected bowls.

Freeman15, I was pointing out they are the ones who do have the right to declare war. And to raise taxes. So where do we disagree? And why not address the rest of my post as it is part of this thread. Or do you agree with me on that too?
And just a point from the same link that was posted above. Quote:Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133. End Quote.
CNN.com - Senate approves Iraq war resolution - Oct. 11, 2002