Dems and Ron Paul don't want you to know: Gays being executed in Iran

They do the same thing in Saudi Arabia, and their women can't go anywhere in public without a male escort, yet we love that particular country. Crime is defined by law, and law is defined by societal norms and values. In America rape is a crime because our values tell us that women have a right to their bodies. In other countries, values differ and therefore so do laws. You may find it morally repugnant that they killed two men for being homosexual, but that is their country. You may think it barbarous, but I'm sure quite a few European nations look down on our use of the death penalty.

Further, what is your solution to dealing with Iran? Bombing, thus killing thousands of civilians? Sanctions, with the same outcome? You don't have the right to impose your country's views on to another, if only because is doesn't work. Look at Iraq and how swell that's gone.

Ron Paul believes that nations should act independently of one another, worry about themselves, and trade with one another for mutual economic benefit. If public outrage towards Iran becomes so great that American consumers won't buy Iranian products, American companies will stop buying them from Iranians, and so the economic pressure of the world will be felt, and ultimately yield a freerer Iran. Free trade is the weapon of liberty, violence is the weapon of oppression.

you see what you want to see,maybe bush can have a word with his friends in the saudi royal family about these issues ?
Saudi Arabia is the bggest sponsor of islamic terrorrism.

proof? and anything pre 9-11 doesn't count as it was before the President's decree to cease sponsorship

i suppose 15 of the bombers being saudi's dont count either ?

Don't count? This isn't capture the flag.

How about the idea that Wahhabist Islam comes straight out of Riyad? Or that the families of Palestinian suicide bombers are given a living stipend once their son/father has killed himself. Or how about the fact that 15 out of 19 hijackers were from that particular KINGDOM. That's right, it's a Kingdom, ie, not a democracy. In fact, Iran is more democratic than Saudi Arabia could ever pretend to be, and yet the Saudis are our buddies.

Your ideas on global security simply don't mesh with logic.

Machiavellians one and all or want to be's. But then America seem to always pick the wrong friends in the worst places. This is history being repeated. I don't doubt if China gets to uppity that N. Korea will become Americas new friend in that region!

Well if you recall the president of Iran in recent days said they don't have gays in Iran. Everyone thought that was funny, but what they did not know is he would of been more accurate if he had said, "we don't have anymore left alive."

doesn't count because we are threatening to take action on Iran based on Bush's proclamation that countries will be held accountable for sponsoring terror. That proclamation didn't come until after 911 and since then the Saudi Kingdom has came down on terror. The fact that some of the individuals happened to be born there is irrelevant. In short your logic path is broken and you have a knack for disregarding detail

The so US support for the contras in Nicaragua was terrorism? The Iranians are doing the same thing with Hezbollah that we did with the contras.

Iran doesn't sponsor terrorism aimed at the US, as those groups are predominantly Sunni, and therefore rivals of the Iranian regime. Your assertion that Iran supports terrorism relies entirely on the idea that they support groups that attack America. They supply militias in Iraq who attack US forces, but the US committed an international crime in the invasion of Iraq (see UN Charter), so Iran is simply exercising punitive action as best it can. International politics is hardly cut and dry.

Further, Saudi Arabia has not come down hard on terror because they deny US investigators access to financial data on suspected terrorists. For that matter, even if they DID legitimately aide the US in this MORONIC "war on terror" (a "war on air campaigns" is forthcoming in 2017), they're still a brutal regime in which women are subject to men, and even minor crimes are brutally punished.

Which brings me back to your point:

Does Iran exercise Islamic law? Yep. Does the US support regimes with more brutal, more extreme policies? You betcha. Iran's domestic policies are none of our concern.

Both Saudi Arabia and Iran are thuggish theocracies. One Sunni ,the other Shia. The Iranians however can't ever catch up with the Saudis when it comes to harming the United States. In that department the Saudis are in a league of their own and to top it all they have our blessings to continue messing with us. Chasing one red herring after another the blind giant stumbles from Iraq to Iran. When all the time, his pain stems from the house of Saud.

There are no gays in Iran. The leader said so.

Hahaha simply ridiculous. So if say rape was illegal, then one day we passed a law saying it was, but before we did, some guy went around and raped thousands of women, you'd be ok with him because it wasn't "illegal"? Serioulsy fucked up you logic is. The house of Saud™ has poured millions upon millions of dollars into terrorist organizations worldwide, but hey, it's all good now because since BushCo™ said stop, and they supposedly did? Hardyfuckingharhar.

Serioulsy, you Bush apologist are something else.

i don't think that's accurate....

the 9/11 show i saw on the history channel suggested that 3 of the pilots where from germany, living there or something. i forget the name of the show... but they had it on their 9/11/07 lineup. anyone else know what i'm talking about?

All the suspected hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Lebanon or Egypt.

United Airlines Flight 175:

Marwan al-Shehhi (from the United Arab Emirates)
Fayez Banihammad (from the United Arab Emirates)
Mohand al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian)
Hamza al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian)
Ahmed al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian)

They were the only people with Arabic names on the flight.

American Airlines Flight 11:

Mohamed Atta al Sayed (Egyptian)
Waleed al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian)
Wail al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian)
Abdulaziz al-Omari (Saudi Arabian)
Satam al-Suqami (Saudi Arabian).

There was only one other passenger with an Arabic name who was ruled out as having any role.

United Airlines Flight 93:

Ziad Jarrah (Lebanese)
Ahmed al-Haznawi (Saudi Arabian)
Ahmed al-Nami (Saudi Arabian)
Saeed al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian)

They were the only people with Arabic names on the flight.

American Airlines Flight 77:

Hani Hanjour (Saudi Arabian)
Khalid al-Mihdhar (Saudi Arabian)
Majed Moqed (Saudi Arabian)
Nawaf al-Hazmi (Saudi Arabian)
Salem al-Hazmi (Saudi Arabian).

There was one other passenger with an Arabic name who was ruled out as having any role.

The Hamburg cell and other conspirators

According to the 9/11 Commission Report, the terrorist attack itself was planned by Khalid Sheik Mohammed and approved by Osama bin Laden, with Mohammed personally choosing the hijackers, and bin Laden approving of the decision. This account is in dispute as bin Laden is not wanted by the FBI for the September 11th attacks. Sheik Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah became the organizers of the plot. Investigators say that Mohammed Haydar Zammar acted as the "travel agent" to Afghanistan.

Three of the hijackers, along with Ramzi Binalshibh, Said Bahaji, and Zakariyah Essabar were members of the Hamburg cell. After Atta, al-Shehhi, and Jarrah left for the United States, Binalshibh provided money to the conspirators. Riduan Isamuddin, aka Hambali, met with two of the hijackers in Kuala Lumpur during the 2000 Kuala Lumpur al-Qaeda Summit. Hambali also gave money to alleged 20th hijacker Zacarias Moussaoui. The members of the cell fled Germany before the terrorist attacks.

Some of the money that financed the terrorist attack seems to have originated from Ali Abdul Aziz Ali and Mohammed Yousef Mohamed Alqusaidi, who may be Marwan al-Shehhi's brother. Another conspirator is Abu Abdul Rahman. Tawfiq bin Attash, also known as Khallad, assisted the hijackers in many ways, and unsuccessfully sought a visa to enter the United States and participate in the attacks.

Interviews with detained al Qaida members have identified ten hijacker candidates who did not participate in the attacks for various reasons. These people were identified as Mohamed Mani Ahmad al Kahtani, Khalid Saeed Ahmad al Zahrani, Ali Abd al Rahman al Faqasi al Ghamdi, Saeed al Baluchi, Qutaybah al Najdi, Zuhair al Thubaiti, Saeed Abdullah al-Ghamdi, Saud al Rashid, and Mushabib al Hamlan, and Abderraouf Jdey.

and so we're supposed to Punish Saudi Arabia because they were born there?

Absolutely...because we're being played, by Saudi Arabia, and worse, by Bush and Co....For godssake...Papa Bush is connected to the Saudi Royal Family...did you see Farenheit911, or not? Do you think just because Michael Moore made the film that it wasn't factual?
We won't punish Saudi Arabia, because oil is what makes America' di.k get hard...when you're on the crackpipe (that is oil)....intervention is the only thing that will get you off.Let a blockade of the Persian Gulf happen...watch the fireworks. You ever try to take a crackpipe away from a crackie? You got trouble. LOL

lol, we are punishing Iraqis and their country didn't even participate in the attacks!!! What joke.

If we don't, we can't justify our stakes in Middle East oil...and we gotta have oil, if it means sacrificing yo' mama, my mama, and err'body mama...we don't matter....barrels matter. profits matter. strategic location matter...everything else is collateral damage. Said the blind man, who can now see better than most.

let's bomb canada!






it holds as much merit as iraq does