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Ron Paul wins Washington straw poll too

 
 
Who Fatwahed
 
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Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 07:46 pm
@briansol,
It's an unfortunate fact that in today's national political arena, non-established candidates really don't have a chance. As you said, he's done well on money for having a "grass roots" organization. That sentence alone tells you all you need to know about Ron Paul's chances of getting the nomination.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 07:57 pm
@Who Fatwahed,
Who_Fatwahed;35235 wrote:
It's an unfortunate fact that in today's national political arena, non-established candidates really don't have a chance. As you said, he's done well on money for having a "grass roots" organization. That sentence alone tells you all you need to know about Ron Paul's chances of getting the nomination.


Well I'll never vote party loyalty, only conscience, if more Americans did that, we'd be in much better shape as a country.
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Crito
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 12:18 am
@briansol,
Only reason Ron Paul is even allowed on the stage is because he appeals to people who might have voted for a third party candidate. Last thing Democans and Republicrats want is a grass roots movement that might break the bipartisan stranglehold on democracy. He's a political patsy with no chance of winning whatsoever.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 12:46 am
@Crito,
Crito;35261 wrote:
Only reason Ron Paul is even allowed on the stage is because he appeals to people who might have voted for a third party candidate. Last thing Democans and Republicrats want is a grass roots movement that might break the bipartisan stranglehold on democracy. He's a political patsy with no chance of winning whatsoever.


Not with dogshit rhetoric like this floating around.

People seem to forget Americas history. I saw a phrase spray painted on a fence a LONG time ago, I was probably about 8 years old, I'll never forget it...

"America, a myth, built on a revolution"

People seem to also forget, our whole Constitution, and Founding Fathers ideals, and Americas coming into being are based on the people not standing for being ruled, and to not lose control of the government THEY CHOOSE to govern. And in it, our Constitution, and history, the provisions, and duty to take it BACK when it no longer serves THE PEOPLE. We have become complacent, weak, scared, and selfish. No one wants to be the one to rock the boat. Even if they KNOW we are being taken for a ride, and that ot os the right thing to do. TV, fast food, credit cards, we are kept fat, lazy, dumb and in debt, dependent on "the system". Not even a generation ago people were more self sufficent than most anyone today. It's ******* sad.
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Freeman15
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 12:10 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;34456 wrote:
What is Ron Pauls opinion on Darfur?


Ron Paul contends that international intervention abroad is what breeds contempt for America, and subsequently the type of hatred that drives people to commit acts of violence against us. Further, this country is in a budgetary crisis which, while driven primarily by entitlement spending, is not helped by the billions of dollars given to other nations in aid and the further billions spent to support our military overseas.

Congressman Paul is a Christian and so believes that Darfur and other areas with such problems should be helped, but as a leader and a student of foreign policy (a member of the House Foreign Relations Committee) he knows that intervention in Africa FAILS. He would let other nations and private charities deal with Darfur.
carryabigstick
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 12:28 pm
@Who Fatwahed,
Who_Fatwahed;35223 wrote:
Ron Paul is a man of character and honesty. He certainly seems to believe in limited government. He does have some isolationist beliefs, in that he believes that it is not the job of the United States to police the planet. All in all, he's a good man.

He will never be president.

He doesn't have the money.
He doesn't have the organization.
He doesn't look good enough on TV.

Sorry.


Yes chances are pretty low that he will win. But he looks a lot better than Hillary :b
Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 02:03 pm
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;35435 wrote:
Ron Paul contends that international intervention abroad is what breeds contempt for America, and subsequently the type of hatred that drives people to commit acts of violence against us. Further, this country is in a budgetary crisis which, while driven primarily by entitlement spending, is not helped by the billions of dollars given to other nations in aid and the further billions spent to support our military overseas.

Congressman Paul is a Christian and so believes that Darfur and other areas with such problems should be helped, but as a leader and a student of foreign policy (a member of the House Foreign Relations Committee) he knows that intervention in Africa FAILS. He would let other nations and private charities deal with Darfur.
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Ron Paul contends that international intervention abroad is what breeds contempt for America, and subsequently the type of hatred that drives people to commit acts of violence against us.
So he feels it ok to watch your neighbor get raped, robbed, or what ever in the name of not breading contempt? When you try and help and they rise up against you, i term it extremism.
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Congressman Paul is a Christian and so believes that Darfur and other areas with such problems should be helped,
To what end?
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but as a leader and a student of foreign policy (a member of the House Foreign Relations Committee) he knows that intervention in Africa FAILS.
IMO his opinion changes when it hits a little closer to home, funny.
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He would let other nations and private charities deal with Darfur.
I also believe he would but funny thing is. If you must put a member of his family in that position. All of the sudden the opinion changes?
Freeman15
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 02:27 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline:

Bad things happen all over the world, and have since the beginning of human civilization. It may sound cold, but America cannot afford, either economically or politically to go galavanting around the world trying to save it, one third world nation at a time. Further, the deployment of forces abroad without a declaration of war is unconstitutional in every sense of the word, and so Dr. Paul is against it.

You have no evidence that Dr. Paul would espouse a different belief if this crisis "hit closer to home". Your statement is pure rhetoric and serves only to highlight your ill-concieved notions of foreign relations and Dr. Paul's convictions.
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 02:29 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;35464 wrote:
So he feels it ok to watch your neighbor get raped, robbed, or what ever in the name of not breading contempt? When you try and help and they rise up against you, i term it extremism.


This is, 100% false, and uneducated. Thanks for playing, but you can't possibly begin to debate something, you OBVIOUSLY have no clue about.

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To what end?


To what end to what? Danfur?

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IMO his opinion changes when it hits a little closer to home, funny.I also believe he would but funny thing is. If you must put a member of his family in that position. All of the sudden the opinion changes?



Foundation for this ill attempt at interpertation of his policies? Oh, wait, you know nothing about his policies, only the hyperbole lies that other neocon supporters spout. We'll be waiting on that and the proof about poll spamming, and that quote from me I asked you for earlier.....
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REDWHITEBLUE2
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 06:42 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;34668 wrote:
Oh look, more ignorance from anti Dr. Paul people, sweet. I bet even with your wannabe patriotic screen name you're going to vote for some globalist ****bag, that has never even read the Constitution.
NO I'M voting for Fred Thompson The only REAL Conservative Running. Ron Paul Is a libertarian IE Half Conservative Half Liberal And AN IDIOT that doesn't believe in national security
REDWHITEBLUE2
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 06:47 pm
@lancesorbenson,
lancesorbenson;34750 wrote:
You're an ignoramus. Washington is hardly the most liberal state in the U.S.
Hey MORON Washington is the highest taxed state in America we also have the most crooked politicians [ demorats] in America Mostly due to union stooges :FU1:
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 06:49 pm
@REDWHITEBLUE2,
REDWHITEBLUE2;36107 wrote:
NO I'M voting for Fred Thompson The only REAL Conservative Running. Ron Paul Is a libertarian IE Half Conservative Half Liberal And AN IDIOT that doesn't believe in national security


Anyone that thinks that interventionalist government is good for national security is a moron. Fred is more of the globalist same ol' same ol'. CAFTA, NAFTA, CFR, more illegals, less freedom, and a flipflopper for cash deposits. Oh, and he has a 50-50 anti gun voting record, not much of a conservative. He talks alot about it to dupe the slow, but his track record speaks loud and clear.
REDWHITEBLUE2
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 07:22 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;36109 wrote:
Anyone that thinks that interventionalist government is good for national security is a moron. Fred is more of the globalist same ol' same ol'. CAFTA, NAFTA, CFR, more illegals, less freedom, and a flipflopper for cash deposits. Oh, and he has a 50-50 anti gun voting record, not much of a conservative. He talks alot about it to dupe the slow, but his track record speaks loud and clear.

And Ron Paul Says Leave It up to the states Great if you live in a conservative state But Not Good if you live in a Liberal state like gay california
92b16vx
 
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 07:31 pm
@REDWHITEBLUE2,
REDWHITEBLUE2;36112 wrote:
And Ron Paul Says Leave It up to the states Great if you live in a conservative state But Not Good if you live in a Liberal state like gay california


That's the great thing about the United States of America, we have 50 of em. People move all the time to get better wages, better quality of life, got out of the slums, etc...
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DCZE
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 05:50 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;35196 wrote:
Not likely.


Exactly what is it you THINK you know about Dr. Paul? I can tell you A LOT that you DON'T know...
DCZE
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 05:52 pm
@REDWHITEBLUE2,
REDWHITEBLUE2;36112 wrote:
And Ron Paul Says Leave It up to the states Great if you live in a conservative state But Not Good if you live in a Liberal state like gay california


THAT... my friend is the beauty of State government vs federal... it leaves you with choices... YOU can move! If it was federal... there's no place you can go to avoid it! :dunno: THUS... Ron Paul (who gives choices) is THE answer!
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DCZE
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 05:55 pm
@REDWHITEBLUE2,
REDWHITEBLUE2;36107 wrote:
NO I'M voting for Fred Thompson The only REAL Conservative Running. Ron Paul Is a libertarian IE Half Conservative Half Liberal And AN IDIOT that doesn't believe in national security


Maybe you'd better check the voting records of the two you are talking about! Ron Paul has CONSISTANTLY voted against erasing our borders and for securing them! Thompson is a Bush clone darlin!
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DCZE
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 05:59 pm
@Drnaline,
his opinion changes when it hits a little closer to home, funny.
If you must put a member of his family in that position. All of the sudden the opinion changes?[/QUOTE]

I CHALLENGE you to show me JUST ONE demonstration of a "change of opinion" from Dr. Paul.... JUST ONE! Willing to put your money where your "uninformed" mouth is???? I happen to KNOW... you don't have a clue what you're talking about and CAN'T prove it!
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DCZE
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 06:03 pm
@carryabigstick,
carryabigstick;35445 wrote:
Yes chances are pretty low that he will win. But he looks a lot better than Hillary :b


Word has it... he "MAY" run as a Consitution Party candidate if he doesn't get the Republican bid!!! If he "chooses" to do that... he is GUARANTEED a spot on the ballot!!! How GREAT is that!!!????:peace:
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DCZE
 
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Reply Tue 11 Sep, 2007 06:08 pm
@Crito,
Crito;35261 wrote:
Only reason Ron Paul is even allowed on the stage is because he appeals to people who might have voted for a third party candidate. Last thing Democans and Republicrats want is a grass roots movement that might break the bipartisan stranglehold on democracy. He's a political patsy with no chance of winning whatsoever.


As I said above... DON'T count the man out! There are MANY of us who would LOVE to see the Constitution honored again and WANT to save this country from itself by doing so.... Stop all those American's with their hand out to the federal government saying "what are you gonna do about.... " "what are you gonna give us?"... "You should provide us with...." PEOPLE... EVERYTHING you ask for and get from the federal government... WE THE PEOPLE are providing to those who aren't WILLING (not able) to provide for themselves! American's are VERY giving and gracious... but when you CONSTANTLY have BILLIONS of hands out... how can you afford to VOLLUNTARILY do so anymore! GEEZE... WAKE UP!!!
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