JESUS Was MUSLIM !

Actually, this Oktar character owes me about a trillion or so Lira, and if Sword can show direct evidence for this deity of his using the scientific method, I'd pass the check right on over (whenever Okkie pays me... unless it's another fraud.)

For those pathetic atheists who hate the TRUTH because it is against their self desires, and who know nothing about anything.

"And they belied them (those signs and verses) wrongfully and arrogantly, though their own selves were convinced thereof (i.e. those (signs and verses) are from Allah (God), and hated to believe in the Message of Monotheism). So see what was the end of the Mufsidun (disbelievers, disobedient to Allah, evil-doers and liars.)." [The Noble Quran 27:14]



[SIZE="3"]Keith L. Moore, PhD [/SIZE]

Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Cell Biology; Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, Visiting Professor of Clinical Anatomy, Department of Human Anatomy and Cell Science, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
Source: Keith L. Moore, PhD

The following is quoted from the official website of [SIZE="3"]The American Association of Clinical Anatomists[/SIZE] AACA: Honored Member: Dr Moore




And the following is quoted from Journal of Anatomy (J Anat. 2006 March; 208(3): 393.) Source: Clinically Oriented Anatomy



BOOKS:

1- Clinically Oriented Anatomy

Link to the book Amazon.com: Clinically Oriented Anatomy: North American Edition (Clinically Oriented Anatomy (Moore)): Keith L Moore, Arthur F Dalley: Books

Authors:
by [SIZE="3"]Keith L Moore [/SIZE](Author), [SIZE="2"]Arthur F Dalley[/SIZE] (Author)


2- Developing Human

Link to the book Amazon.com: The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology With STUDENT CONSULT Online Access: Keith L. Moore, T. V. N. Persaud: Books

Authors:
[SIZE="3"]Keith L. Moore, PhD [/SIZE]
[SIZE="3"]T.V.N. Persaud, MD, PhD[/SIZE]

ISBN: 0721694128
Format: Softcover



3- Before We Are Born

Link to the book Amazon.com: Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects With STUDENT CONSULT Online Access (Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology & Birth Defects): Keith L. Moore, T. V. N. Persaud: Books

Authors:
[SIZE="3"]Keith L. Moore, PhD
T.V.N. Persaud, MD, PhD [/SIZE]


ISBN: 0721694128
Format: Softcover

I think he's just ignoring us now. If that's the case then i'm not sure who he is trying to convince.

The simple answer is that Jesus is a myth, in the same manner as Jehovah, Buddha, Mithra, Krishna, Osiris, Erakles, Attis and Allah are all myths with no real truth to their teachings or existence. :patriot:

And for the believer with a pathetic understanding of science... great, you post up a few books on anatomy. This is evidence for your deity how? I'd expect if Moore was capable of verifying that this deity existed, that he would have a PEER REVIEWED scientific paper showing this. Writing books on anatomy and scientifically verifying the existence of a deity are two different things.

You have not once shown any scientific evidence towards your deity, only copy-pasting correlation/causation along with a group of people who also have not once shown scientific evidence towards this very same deity. See, you're dealing with me now... and I will freely call you out on your pseudoscience every single time. I will freely point out that you have zero knowledge and comprehension of the scientific method of inquiry.

I have challenged you to show the existence of your deity through the avenues of scientific inquiry, and you have failed miserably. Quoting religious scripture and mincing up the words to fit your argument is laughable at best, pathetic at its worst. You cannot come up with one test, one verifiable experiment, one single shred of scientific paperwork, anything that can scientifically verify your deity. You are reliant on a religious text to do this which puts you in a circular argument that even you can't get out of.

If your deity existed, you would not need a religious text to show this. Nobody needs it to verify heliocentricism or the expansion of the universe. Nor is it needed to explain the diversity of life and how it interacts. So why is the ONLY way to "explain" this deity contained in a book supposedly written/inspired by this deity?

I again challenge you to show direct scientific evidence of this deity. Your test must pass scrutiny of scientific peer review and must be fully reproducible with conclusive results across the board. If you wanna talk science, you had better be prepared to walk it. If I catch you veering even slightly, I will call you on it. If you attempt to use circular reasoning, strawmen or ad homs, I will call you on it.

Preach religion all you want, but if you try to call it science, be ready to back it up.

Your mythology is far from truth. A book of fables written by cattle-herders, and nothing more. If you want me or anyone else for that matter to read your posts you might want to answer and reply to our posts, otherwise you'll be ignored like the crazed zealot that you sound like.

[SIZE="3"]Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson[/SIZE] is the Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, and Professor of Molecular and Human Genetics at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA. Formerly, he was Professor of Ob-Gyn and the Chairman of the Department of Ob-Gyn at the University of Tennessee, Memphis, Tennessee, USA. He was also the President of the American Fertility Society. He has received many awards, including the Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynecology Public Recognition Award in 1992. Professor Simpson studied the following two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him):

[SIZE="3"]{In every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days...}1 [/SIZE]

[SIZE="3"]{If forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones....}2 [/SIZE]

He studied these two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) extensively, noting that the first forty days constitute a clearly distinguishable stage of embryo-genesis. He was particularly impressed by the absolute precision and accuracy of those sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Then, during one conference, he gave the following opinion:

[SIZE="2"]“So that the two hadeeths (the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad ) that have been noted provide us with a specific time table for the main embryological development before forty days. Again, the point has been made, I think, repeatedly by other speakers this morning: these hadeeths could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available [at] the time of their writing . . . . It follows, I think, that not only there is no conflict between genetics and religion but, in fact, religion can guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches, that there exist statements in the Quran shown centuries later to be valid, which support knowledge in the Quran having been derived from God.”[/SIZE] (View the RealPlayer video of this comment here http://www.islam-guide.com/video/simpson-1.ram )


Footnotes:

(1) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #2643, and Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #3208.
(2) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #2645.



'[52] Say: "Tell me, if it (the Quran) is from Allah (God), and you disbelieve in it? Who is more astray than one who is in opposition far away (from Allah's Right Path and His obedience).
[53] We (Allah) will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their own selves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Quran) is the truth. Is it not sufficient in regard to your Lord that He is a Witness over all things?"

[The Noble Quran 41:52-53]

Behold. 42 days.

You've got a long way to go. Doesn't look like everything is "shaped" to me. And about the tail...

Again, not the evidence you seek.

More importantly, show me this visiting "angel". If somebody came to visit, I'm quite certain I'd know about it. Looks like you have TWO things to scientifically verify... you're working BACKWARDS :rollinglaugh:

[SIZE="3"]The Quran on Human Embryonic Development: [/SIZE]


(The following illustrations are borrowed from 'A Brief Illustrated Guide To Understanding Islam')


In the Holy Quran, Allah (God) speaks about the stages of man?s embryonic development:

[SIZE="3"]"We (Allah) created man (Adam) from an extract of clay. Then We made him (the offspring of Adam) as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance) then We made the mudgah into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation...." 1
[The Noble Quran, 23:12-14][/SIZE]

Literally, the Arabic word alaqah has three meanings: (1) leech, (2) suspended thing, and (3) blood clot.

In comparing a leech to an embryo in the alaqah stage, we find similarity between the two2 as we can see in figure 1. Also, the embryo at this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech, which feeds on the blood of others.3


Figure 1: Drawings illustrating the similarities in appearance between a leech and a human embryo at the alaqah stage. (Leech drawing from Human Development as Described in the Quran and Sunnah, Moore and others, p. 37, modified from Integrated Principles of Zoology, Hickman and others. Embryo drawing from The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 73.)

The second meaning of the word alaqah is ?suspended thing.? This is what we can see in figures 2 and 3, the suspension of the embryo, during the alaqah stage, in the womb of the mother.


Figure 2: We can see in this diagram the suspension of an embryo during the alaqah stage in the womb (uterus) of the mother. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 66.)


Figure 3: In this photomicrograph, we can see the suspension of an embryo (marked B) during the alaqah stage (about 15 days old) in the womb of the mother. The actual size of the embryo is about 0.6 mm. (The Developing Human, Moore, 3rd ed., p. 66, from Histology, Leeson and Leeson.)


The third meaning of the word alaqah is ?blood clot.? We find that the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the alaqah stage is similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage4 (see figure 4). Also during this stage, the blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week.5 Thus, the embryo at this stage is like a clot of blood.


Figure 4: Diagram of the primitive cardiovascular system in an embryo during the alaqah stage. The external appearance of the embryo and its sacs is similar to that of a blood clot, due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo. (The Developing Human, Moore, 5th ed., p. 65.)

So the three meanings of the word alaqah correspond accurately to the descriptions of the embryo at the alaqah stage.

The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage. The Arabic word mudghah means ?chewed substance.? If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his or her mouth and then compare it with an embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that the embryo at the mudghah stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance. This is because of the somites at the back of the embryo that ?somewhat resemble teethmarks in a chewed substance.?6 (see figures 5 and 6).


Figure 5: Photograph of an embryo at the mudghah stage (28 days old). The embryo at this stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance, because the somites at the back of the embryo somewhat resemble teeth marks in a chewed substance. The actual size of the embryo is 4 mm. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 82, from Professor Hideo Nishimura, Kyoto University, Kyoto, Japan.)



Figure 6: When comparing the appearance of an embryo at the mudghah stage with a piece of gum that has been chewed, we find similarity between the two.
A) Drawing of an embryo at the mudghah stage. We can see here the somites at the back of the embryo that look like teeth marks. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 79.)
B) Photograph of a piece of gum that has been chewed.


How could Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) have possibly known all this 1400 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells (spermatozoa) using an improved microscope in 1677 (more than 1000 years after prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) ). They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract.7

Professor Emeritus Keith L. Moore8 is one of the world?s most prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled The Developing Human, which has been translated into eight languages. This book is a scientific reference work and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by one person. Dr. Keith Moore is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. There, he was Associate Dean of Basic Sciences at the Faculty of Medicine and for 8 years was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy. In 1984, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. He has directed many international associations, such as the Canadian and American Association of Anatomists and the Council of the Union of Biological Sciences.

In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said: ?It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God.?9 (To view the RealPlayer video of this comment click here http://www.islam-guide.com/video/moore-1.ram ).

Consequently, Professor Moore was asked the following question: ?Does this mean that you believe that the Quran is the word of God?? He replied: ?I find no difficulty in accepting this.?10

During one conference, Professor Moore stated: ?....Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Quran and Sunnah (what Muhammad said, did, or approved of). The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge. The intensive studies of the Quran and hadeeth (reliably transmitted reports by the Prophet Muhammad?s companions of what he said, did, or approved of) in the last four years have revealed a system for classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D. Although Aristotle, the founder of the science of embryology, realized that chick embryos developed in stages from his studies of hen?s eggs in the fourth century B.C., he did not give any details about these stages. As far as it is known from the history of embryology, little was known about the staging and classification of human embryos until the twentieth century. For this reason, the descriptions of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century. The only reasonable conclusion is: these descriptions were revealed to Muhammad from God. He could not have known such details because he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training.?11 (View the RealPlayer video of this comment here http://www.islam-guide.com/video/moore-2.ram ).



Footnotes:

[SIZE="1"](1) Please note that what is between these special brackets ... in is only a translation of the meaning of the Quran. It is not the Quran itself, which is in Arabic.

(2) The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 8.

(3) Human Development as Described in the Quran and Sunnah, Moore and others, p. 36.

(4) Human Development as Described in the Quran and Sunnah, Moore and others, pp. 37-38.

(5) The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 65.

(6) The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 8.

(7) The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 9.

(8) Note: The occupations of all the scientists mentioned in this web site were last updated in 1997.

(9) The reference for this saying is This is the Truth (videotape). For a copy of this videotape, please visit this page.

(10) This is the Truth (videotape).

(11) This is the Truth (videotape). For a copy, see footnote no. 9. [/SIZE]

This is absolutely absurd.

Not only is this not original it's also scientifically invalid.

The idea of people being made from clay is taken from the greek story of Prometheus who creates people from clay.




The fact is that people are composed of living matter (cells) not clay. The only clay to be found in the human body we be from consuming food that has bits of clay on it.

also embryo's aren't chewed substances, frankly it's embarrassing that you would even try to defend this drivel.

I can give you a infinitely longer list of chewed things that have no similarity to human embryos:











Do you think any of these will become human beings.

For those pathetic atheists who hate the TRUTH and who know NOTHING about anything. As an example, they do not feel ashamed to make themselves more knowledgable and more smarter to talk about human development than anyone of the world?s most prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology. They are indeed pathetic and they are only good in making fools of themselves everytime they try to speak about science, logic or rational thinking.


[SIZE="3"]"We (Allah) created man ([SIZE="4"]Adam)[/SIZE] from an extract of clay. Then We made him ([SIZE="4"]the offspring of Adam[/SIZE]) as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance) then We made the mudgah into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation...." 1

[The Noble Quran, 23:12-14][/SIZE]

[SIZE="3"]Dr. E. Marshall Johnson[/SIZE] is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Developmental Biology at Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. There, for 22 years he was Professor of Anatomy, the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy, and the Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute. He was also the President of the Teratology Society. He has authored more than 200 publications. In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Johnson said in the presentation of his research paper:

[SIZE="2"]?Summary: The Quran describes not only the development of external form, but emphasizes also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science.? [/SIZE] (View the RealPlayer video of this comment here http://www.islam-guide.com/video/johnson-1.ram )

Also he said: [SIZE="2"]?As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Quran. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I knew today and describing things, I could not describe the things which were described. I see no evidence for the fact to refute the concept that this individual, Muhammad, had to be developing this information from some place. So I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write.?[/SIZE](1) (View the RealPlayer video of this comment here http://www.islam-guide.com/video/johnson-2.ram )


Footnote:

(1) The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was illiterate. He could not read nor write, but he dictated the Quran to his Companions and commanded some of them to write it down.

[SIZE="3"]From Atheism to [SIZE="4"]Islam[/SIZE]:[/SIZE] Video

[SIZE="3"]Dr. Jeffrey Lang[/SIZE] A Journey from Atheism to Islam in America.

Watch the interview here: Welcome to The Deen Show

Watch this interview with Dr. Jeffrey Lang who is a Full Professor of Mathematics at the University of Kansas, one of the biggest universities in the United States. He started his religious journey on Jan 30, 1954, when he was born in a Roman Catholic family in Bridgeport, Connecticut. The first 18 years of his life were spent in Catholic schools, which left him with many unanswered questions about God and the Christian religion, Lang said, as he narrated his story of Islam "Like most kids back in the late 60s and early 70s, I started questioning all the values that we had at those times, political, social and religious," Lang said "I rebelled against all the institutions that society held sacred including the Catholic Church," he said.

By the time he reached the age of 18, Lang had become a full-fledged atheist. "If there is a God, and he is all merciful and all loving, then why is there suffering on this earth? Why does not He just take us to heaven? Why create all these people to suffer?" Such were the questions that came up in his mind in those days.

As a young lecturer in mathematics at San Francisco University, Lang found his religion where God is finally a reality. I invite you to listen here live to the rest of his story and how he came to Islam, open your mind humble your heart and enjoy the Show.

Watch the interview here: Welcome to The Deen Show

[size="7"]are You Gonna Engage In Discussion, Sword?[/size]

hopefully that got your attention...

[SIZE="3"]Dr. William W. Hay[/SIZE] is a well-known marine scientist. He is Professor of Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, USA. He was formerly the Dean of the Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science at the University of Miami, Miami, Florida, USA.

After a discussion with Professor Hay about the Quran?s mention of recently discovered facts on seas, he said:

[SIZE="3"]?I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scriptures of the Holy Quran, and I have no way of knowing where they would come from, but I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and that this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages.?
And when he was asked about the source of the Quran, he replied: ?Well, I would think it must be the divine being.? [/SIZE] (View the RealPlayer video of this comment here http://www.islam-guide.com/video/hay-1.ram )

How odd... I find nothing about his "admittance" other than the video you specify. Not even his bio at UofC brings up anything of that nature.

However, may I present the "List of Steves"

The List of Steves | NCSE

These are scientists who have come forth stating evolutionary biology is fact. Many of them are leaders in their field, some are Nobel laureates.

All of them named Steve, showing that there are more scientists named Steve that accept evolutionary biology than there are which claim ANY religion is correct TOTAL.



Why is the only thing you can do is post from religious sites full of questionable videos? I can supply you with more information than you could possibly read in your lifetime supporting natural evolutionary biology. All of which is peer reviewed and verified through scientific experiment.

Perhaps its because you've lost the argument and you're just plugging your ears. Tell me then, what does your noble text say about endogenous retroviruses? DNA? RNA? How about quantum entanglement or good old fashioned atomics? Radioactive decay? Atomic structure? Is there some sort of mincing you can find concerning E=MC2?

Please, bring forth your wisdom on these topics.

[SIZE="3"]The Fameous Atheist Philosopher 'Anthony Flew' Announced that Indeed the Universe was Created!

'I Do Believe in God after all'[/SIZE]

One of the most renowned atheists of the past half century has changed his mind and decided that there is a God after all.

?As people have certainly been influenced by me, I want to try and correct the enormous damage I may have done.? (Anthony Flew)

The newspapers were echoing with these regret-filled words by Antony Flew, in his time a well-known atheist philosopher. The 81-year-old British professor of philosophy Flew chose to become an atheist at the age of 15, and first made a name for himself in the academic field with a paper published in 1950. In the 54 years that followed, he defended atheism as a teacher at the universities of Oxford, Aberdeen, Keele and Reading, at many American and Canadian universities he visited, in debates, books, lecture halls and articles. In recent days, however, Flew has announced that he has abandoned this error and accepts that the universe was created.

The decisive factor in this radical change of view is the clear and definitive evidence revealed by science on the subject of creation. Flew realized, in the face of the information-based complexity of life, that the true origin of life is intelligent design and that the atheism he had espoused for 66 years was a discredited philosophy.

Flew announced the scientific reasons underlying this change in belief in these terms:

?Biologists? investigation of DNA has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce [life], that intelligence must have been involved.? [1]

?It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism.? [2]

?I have been persuaded that it is simply out of the question that the first living matter evolved out of dead matter and then developed into an extraordinarily complicated creature.? [3]

The DNA research which Flew cites as a fundamental reason for his change of opinion has indeed revealed striking facts about creation. The helix shape of the DNA molecule, its possession of the genetic code, the nucleotide strings that refute blind chance, the storage of encyclopedic quantities of information and many other striking findings have revealed that the structure and functions of this molecule were arranged for life with a special design. Comments by scientists concerned with DNA research bear witness to this fact.

Francis Crick, for instance, one of the scientists who revealed the helix shape of DNA admitted in the face of the findings regarding DNA that the origin of life indicated a miracle:

An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going.[4]

Based on his calculations, Led Adleman of the University of Southern California in Los Angeles has stated that one gram of DNA can store as much information as a trillion compact discs.[5] Gene Myers, a scientist employed on the Human Genome Project, has said the following in the face of the miraculous arrangements he witnessed:

?What really astounds me is the architecture of life? The system is extremely complex. It?s like it was designed? There?s a huge intelligence there.?[6]

The most striking fact about DNA is that the existence of the coded genetic information can definitely not be explained in terms of matter and energy or natural laws. Dr. Werner Gitt, a professor at the German Federal Institute of Physics and Technology, has said this on the subject:

A code system is always the result of a mental process? It should be emphasized that matter as such is unable to generate any code. All experiences indicate that a thinking being voluntarily exercising his own free will, cognition, and creativity, is required? There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to information, neither is any physical process or material phenomenon known that can do this.[7]

Creationist scientists and philosophers played a major role in Flew?s acceptance of intelligent design, backed up by all these findings. In recent times Flew participated in debates with scientists and philosophers who were proponents of creation, and exchanged ideas with them. The final turning point in that process was a discussion organized by the Institute for Metascientific Research in Texas in May, 2003. Professor Flew participated in the discussion together with the author, Roy Abraham Varghese, a physicist, and the molecular biologist, Gerald Schroeder. Flew was impressed by the weight of the scientific evidence in favor of creation and by the convincing nature of his opponents? arguments and abandoned atheism as an idea in the period following that discussion. In a letter he wrote for the August-September, 2003, edition of the British magazine Philosophy Now, he recommended Schroeder?s book ?The Hidden Face of God: Science Reveals the Ultimate Truth? and Varghese?s book ?The Wonderful World.?[8] During an interview with the professor of philosophy and theology Gary R. Habermas, who also played a major role in his change of mind,[9] and also on the video ?Has Science Discovered God?? he openly stated that he believed in intelligent design.


[SIZE="3"]The ?Intelligence Pervading the Universe? and the Collapse of Atheism[/SIZE]

In the face of all the scientific developments outlined above, the acceptance of intelligent design by Anthony Flew, famous for defending atheism for many years, reflects a final scene in the process of collapse which atheism is being subjected to Modern science has revealed the existence of an ?intelligence pervading the universe,? thus leaving atheism out of the equation.

In his book ?The Hidden Face of God," Gerald Schroeder, one of the creationist scientists who influenced Flew, writes:

A single consciousness, a universal wisdom, pervades the universe. The discoveries of science, those that search the quantum nature of subatomic matter, have moved us to the brink of a startling realization: all existence is the expression of this wisdom. In the laboratories we experience it as information that first physically articulated as energy and then condensed into the form of matter. Every particle, every being, from atom to human, appears to represent a level of information, of wisdom. [10]


Scientific research into both the functioning of the cell and the subatomic particles of matter has revealed this fact in an indisputable manner: Life and the universe were brought into being from nothing by the will of an entity possessed of a superior mind and wisdom. There is no doubt that the possessor of that knowledge and mind that designed the universe at all levels is Almighty Allah (God). Allah (God) reveals these truths in many verses of the Quran.



[SIZE="2"]References:[/SIZE]

[1] Richard N. Ostling, ?Lifelong atheist changes mind about divine creator,? The Washington Times 10 December 2004; (Washington Times - Lifelong atheist changes mind about divine creator.)

[2] Antony Flew, ?Letter from Antony Flew on Darwinism and Theology,? Philosophy Now; (Philosophy Now.)

[3] Stuart Wavell and Will Iredale, ?Sorry, says atheist-in-chief, I do believe in God after all,? The Sunday Times, 12 December 2004; (Sorry, says atheist-in-chief, I do believe in God after all - Times Online)

[4] Francis Crick, Life Itself: Its Origin and Nature, New York: Simon & Schuster, 1981, p. 88

[5] John Whitfield, ?Physicists plunder life?s tool chest?, 24 April 2003; (http://www.nature.com/nsu/030421/030421-6.html)

[6] San Francisco Chronicle, 19 February, 2001

[7] Werner Gitt, In the Beginning Was Information, CLV, Bielenfeld, Germany, pp. 64-7, 79

[8] Antony Flew, ?Letter from Antony Flew on Darwinism and Theology,? Philosophy Now; (Philosophy Now.)

[9] ?Atheist Becomes Theist: Exclusive Interview with Former Atheist Antony Flew;? (Biola > Page 1 : Biola News & Communications.)

[10] Gerald Schroeder, The Hidden Face of God, Touchstone, New York, 2001, p. xi.

[SIZE="3"]I?ve found God, Says Scientist who Cracked the Human Genome[/SIZE]

The Sunday Times
June 11, 2006
By: Steven Swinford
I?ve found God, says man who cracked the genome - Times Online

THE scientist who led the team that cracked the human genome is to publish a book explaining why he now believes in the existence of God and is convinced that miracles are real.

Francis Collins, the director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute, claims there is a rational basis for a creator and that scientific discoveries bring man ?closer to God?.

For Collins, unravelling the human genome did not create a conflict in his mind. Instead, it allowed him to ?glimpse at the workings of God?.

?When you make a breakthrough it is a moment of scientific exhilaration because you have been on this search and seem to have found it,? he said. ?But it is also a moment where I at least feel closeness to the creator in the sense of having now perceived something that no human knew before but God knew all along.

?When you have for the first time in front of you this 3.1 billion-letter instruction book that conveys all kinds of information and all kinds of mystery about humankind, you can?t survey that going through page after page without a sense of awe. I can?t help but look at those pages and have a vague sense that this is giving me a glimpse of God?s mind.?

Collins joins a line of scientists whose research deepened their belief in God. Isaac Newton, whose discovery of the laws of gravity reshaped our understanding of the universe, said: ?This most beautiful system could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful being."



"We (Allah) will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their own selves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Quran) is the truth. Is it not sufficient in regard to your Lord that He is a Witness over all things?"

[The Noble Quran 41:53]

Apparently not.

Then i'm done talking with you. You will be ignored.

It doesn't seem he is interested in debating you Sabz, he'd rather ignore us and advertise his religion.