JESUS Was MUSLIM !

First,
Would you believe me if I told you that 2000 years ago someone was walking in the desert and suddenly he found something strange! He found a mobile ..Yes this same mobile phone we use nowadays existed 2000 years ago by itself. It was formed accidentally by itself in the deep desert where Oil existed too! Would you believe me? and why?

Remember that the main components of any mobile phone are basically made of two elements: silicon (which comes from sand, desert) and plastic (which comes from Oil).

Then this thread is not for you.

And as I said to you in the other thread:

Writting unrelated words and trying to pack them irrationally in your sentence(s) will NOT make you look a philosopher and will not help/support whatever you want to convey here. Education and sensible thinking are what you are missing as it seems from your posts.

First,
Would you believe me if I told you that 2000 years ago someone was walking in the desert and suddenly he found something strange! He found a mobile ..Yes this same mobile phone we use nowadays existed 2000 years ago by itself. It was formed accidentally by itself in the deep desert where Oil existed too! Would you believe me? and why?

Remember that the main components of any mobile phone are basically made of two elements: silicon (which comes from sand, desert) and plastic (which comes from Oil).

Of course I would not believe you, you know i wouldn't. So why ask the Question?

Was there a power source with the phone?

Was the phone connected to a network?

Were there Arial Phone masts in the region?

Was there another phone?

If no to any of these then the phone is useless.

A variation of the blind watchmaker or the tornado in the junkyard. You're a fool if you think this type of analogy hasn't been torn apart a hundred times over.

The materials of a phone aren't self-replicating so your analogy is bunk.

The debate will be between you and me only so no one else can divert the discussion or debate subject.

However, the missing/ignored fact you should have completed your answer with was/is "the mobile phone must have an intelligent designer (inventor) or manufacturer". Am I right?

No, because in the context of the original question, the phone could not exist, therefore no intelligent designer or manufacturer.

Not only that, but you said it formed accidently, thus giving me an indication of how it came about.

Excuse me! You say to me that everyone runs away from your "challenge", and then you won't reply to me? Is your Allah afraid of my Sellars?

I will be patient with you and I will re-ask you again using very simple and direct words:

Would you believe me (or anyone else) if I/he say to you that the first mobile phone existed by coincidence ?

Why are you being patient with me? You are asking the questions and i the honest answers based upon them. Now if you ask me how something is made, when you clearly stated it was by accident. What exactly do you expect me to say?

You can use complex words as well if want, I have the Oxford English Dictionary sat next to me.

Now if you'd asked me the above question first without all the crap, then my answer would be no.

Excuse me, my intention was not to insult you.

Now your answer was 'No', Can you tell me why you said 'no'?

Originally you stated it was made by accident, so that's Reason No.1.

Was there a power source with the phone?

Was the phone connected to a network?

Were there Arial Phone masts in the region?

Was there another phone?

If no to any of these then the phone is useless. it would need these to work. Reason no.2

Essentially the technology did not exist 2000 years ago. Reason no.3

You are not able to demonstrate any physical evidence of the phone. Reason No.4

you are unable to produce any eyewitness accounts of the phone. Reason No.5

That's it for now, though I am sure i will think of others in due course.

Was there a power source with the phone?

Was the phone connected to a network?

Were there Arial Phone masts in the region?

Was there another phone?

Answer: yes and also existed by coincidence!




Answer: yes and also existed by coincidence!



Answer: yes and also existed by coincidence!



Answer: yes and also existed by coincidence!


Now let me repost the same reply i answered FF with:

The mobile phone was just an example. Now, how about if I replace the mobile phone with an intelligent small robotic machine that can rebuild (manufacture) exactly similar intelligent small robotic machines (self-replicating) by itself.

Now, Would you believe me if I say to you that this first intelligent small robotic machine existed by coincidence? ... and why?

The mobile phone was just an example. Now, how about if I replace the mobile phone with an intelligent small robotic machine that can rebuild (manufacture) similar intelligent robotic machines (self-replicating) by itself.

Now, Would you believe me if I say to you that this first intelligent small robotic machine existed accidentally by itself 2000 years ago?

Why did you not reply to the other Reasons?

But I can see where you are going with this, so I will humour you some more.

So how did they all happen by coincidence?

The robots in your analogy would have to start out very complex, in order to be able to self-replicate, whereas living material doesn't. Also you're robot's where created with a specific final product in mind. Robot manufacturing is so precise there wouldn't be variation, so how could you get new kinds of robots? Even if there was variation within the robots, what forces are guiding this process to make sure the robots are anything other than a jumbled mess of wires, when there are no predators and no disease?

Would you believe that all existed by coincidence?

If I am to answer your questions do me the same courtesy please.

The analogy to which you use is rather poor though.

As comuniction technology did not start with the mobile phone.Before the invention of electro magnetic telephones, there were mechanical devices for transmitting spoken words over a greater distance than ordinary speech. The very earliest mechanical telephones were based on sound transmission through pipes or other physical media. According to a letter in the Peking Gazette, in 968, the Chinese inventor Kung-Foo-Whing invented the thumtsein, which probably transported the speech through pipes.

The first electronic means of comunication was the use of Morse code Originally created for Samuel Finley Breese Morse's electric telegraph in the early 1840s, Morse code was also extensively used for early radio communication beginning in the 1890s. For the first half of the twentieth century, the majority of high-speed international communication was conducted in Morse code, using telegraph lines, undersea cables, and radio circuits.

The following is a brief summary of the history of the development of the telephone:


Copy of the original phone of Graham Bell at the Mus?e des Arts et M?tiers in Paris1667: Robert Hooke invented a string telephone that conveyed sounds over an extended wire by mechanical vibrations.
1844: Innocenzo Manzetti first mooted the idea of a ?speaking telegraph? (telephone).
1854: Charles Bourseul writes a memorandum on the principles of the telephone.(See the article : "Transmission ?lectrique de la parole", L'Illustration, Paris, 26 August 1854).
1854: Antonio Meucci demonstrates an electric voice-operated device in New York; it is not clear what kind of device he demonstrated.
1861: Philipp Reis constructs the first speech-transmitting telephone
1872: Elisha Gray establishes Western Electric Manufacturing Company.
July 1, 1875: Bell uses a bi-directional "gallows" telephone that was able to transmit "voicelike sounds", but not clear speech. Both the transmitter and the receiver were identical membrane electromagnet instruments.
1875: Thomas Edison experiments with acoustic telegraphy and in November builds an electro-dynamic receiver, but does not exploit it.
April 6, 1875: Bell's U.S. Patent 161,739 "Transmitters and Receivers for Electric Telegraphs" is granted. This uses multiple vibrating steel reeds in make-break circuits, and the concept of multiplexed frequencies.
February 11, 1876: Elisha Gray designs a liquid transmitter for use with a telephone, but does not build one.
March 7, 1876: Bell's U.S. patent 174,465 for the telephone is granted.
March 10, 1876: Bell transmits the sentence "Mr. Watson, come here, I want to see you" using a liquid transmitter and an electromagnetic receiver.
January 30, 1877: Bell's U.S. patent 186,787 is granted for an electro-magnetic telephone using permanent magnets, iron diaphragms, and a call bell.
April 27, 1877: Edison files for a patent on a carbon (graphite) transmitter. The patent 474,230 was granted May 3, 1892, after a 15-year delay because of litigation. Edison was granted patent 222,390 for a carbon granules transmitter in 1879.
1877: First long-distance telephone line

By 1904 there were over three million phones in the US[1], still connected by manual exchanges.

What turned out to be the most popular and longest lasting physical style of telephone was introduced in the early 20th century, including Bell's Model 102.


The history of mobile phones can be traced back to two-way radios permanently installed in vehicles such as taxicabs, police cruisers, railroad trains, and the like. Later versions such as the so-called transportables or "bag phones" were equipped with a cigarette lighter plug so that they could also be carried, and thus could be used as either mobile two-way radios or as portable phones by being patched into the telephone network.

On April 3, 1973 Motorola manager Martin Cooper placed a cellular phone call (in front of reporters) to Joel Engel, head of research at AT&T's Bell Labs. This began the era of the handheld cellular mobile phone.

Here is a useful link with Regards to the Mobile phone history.

History of mobile phones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As you can clearly see the mobile Phone was not a coincidence, it was in fact a long and at times slow process of comunication evolution over a thousand years to get to todays modern devices.

Would i believe it existed by coincidence certainly not.

Do I believe it was the product of evolution, most certainly.