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Quran Leads The Way to Science (Video)

 
 
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 2 Sep, 2007 06:20 pm
@The Submitter,
The Koran is a book of lies. Mohammad was a relatively educated tribal warlord, and nothing more.
Red cv
 
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Reply Sun 2 Sep, 2007 06:21 pm
@politically-wrong,
Mods for all that is holy make Sword of Satin post links instead of entire tomes pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Well I can give the Islam for dummies version of the Koran.

Allah and his father use to worship Rocks, yes rocks and the moon and then one day Allah was having a nap in a Cave and he had a seizure and he heard voices in his head thus this is the beginning of Islam. In the seven hundreds one hundred years after Allah died (from VD would be my guess) some fella wrote down folklore and heresay. This is the basis of the Koran. I can get more tecnical is anyone so desires.

Here's a quote from The Ayatollah on sex with infants: A great leader of Islam he helped murder many Muslims in Iran.

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby.
However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is
harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life.
This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives".
(Arabic Source - 12th item under the title "Ketabonnekah")


I suggest people, well the liberals, read the book it doesn't get any better than the above.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 2 Sep, 2007 06:29 pm
@The Submitter,
Do the right thing: say 'no' to Islam. The West defeated Nazism and Communism. We can defeat Islam, too. It will take time, but we can do it. I've decided to henceforth spend my summers fighting it, anyway I can.
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sun 2 Sep, 2007 06:40 pm
@Red cv,
Red;34386 wrote:
Mods for all that is holy make Sword of Satin post links instead of entire tomes pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Well I can give the Islam for dummies version of the Koran.

Allah and his father use to worship Rocks, yes rocks and the moon and then one day Allah was having a nap in a Cave and he had a seizure and he heard voices in his head thus this is the beginning of Islam. In the seven hundreds one hundred years after Allah died (from VD would be my guess) some fella wrote down folklore and heresay. This is the basis of the Koran. I can get more tecnical is anyone so desires.

Here's a quote from The Ayatollah on sex with infants: A great leader of Islam he helped murder many Muslims in Iran.

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby.
However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is
harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life.
This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives".
(Arabic Source - 12th item under the title "Ketabonnekah")


I suggest people, well the liberals, read the book it doesn't get any better than the above.


It's a very shameful response. Shame on you. You give a very bad example of a christian woman who posts such filthy passages from a non-Muslim evil leader called Khumaini and then blame it on Islam!

For your information Shiaat (Khumaini people) are Pagans (not Muslims) just like you christians. They worship men and graves as you worship a man. Their man-made faith is a hybride (mixture) from all false or corrupted faiths (like judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, paganism, Magainism, etc...) and they deceive ignorant people by calling themselves muslims. They are compared with bahaism.

Islam is that original true message inspired by Allah to his last and final messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) which you can find it in the Quran and in the authentic hadeeths.

Next time when you want to debate Muslims, quote from either the Noble Quran or from the Authentic Hadeeths (authentic collections of the sayings and teachings of the Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him)).
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sun 2 Sep, 2007 06:46 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;34385 wrote:
The Koran is a book of lies. Mohammad was a relatively educated tribal warlord, and nothing more.


I have this feeling that you are trying your best to prove that the following biblical passages are true:

[SIZE="2"] "For vain men would be wise, though man be born like a wild ass's colt." [Job 11:12].[/SIZE]


[SIZE="2"]"Humans and animals have the same destiny. One dies just like the other. All of them have the same breath of life. Humans have no advantage over animals. All of life is pointless." [Ecclesiastes 3:19].[/SIZE]

If my feeling is correct then I can assure you that you have already done excellent job to prove these two passages!
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sun 2 Sep, 2007 06:55 pm
@The Submitter,
I don't think she asked for your opinion but heah, can't have everything.
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Their man-made faith is a hybride (mixture) from all false or corrupted faiths
Who wrote your book again?
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like judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, paganism, Magainism, etc...)
Whats funny is most if not all were around before your faith was invented.
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and they deceive ignorant people by calling themselves muslims.
Just like you have been deceived.
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Islam is that original true message inspired by Allah to his last and final messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) which you can find it in the Quran and in the authentic hadeeths.
Lets not and say we did.
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Next time when you want to debate Muslims. quote from either the Noble Quran or from the Authentic Hadeeths (authentic collections of the sayings and teachings of the Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him)).
Personally i think she can quote what ever the hell she feels like quoting. Who are you to tell her otherwise? Would you have her submit to you? Your really brave with women does it make you want to stone her? Would you do it for your honor? I would very much like to discuss/debate this with you but your not very forthcoming, why? I need not quote the quran because i would like your opinion on it, not what you think mahammid the messenger thinks you should say or believe?
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Red cv
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 02:57 pm
@Pinochet73,
Well for a Muslim you aren't very educated about world events, the quote is from the ex-leader of Iran. Oh and he was a muslim, a crazy barking mad man but oh he loved Allah so and his name: Ayatollah Khomeini.

Link: Mideast Youth - Thinking Ahead ? Blog Archive ? List of Murderers of the Massacre of 1988 in Iran

Here's a feel good story about him:

Persian list of murderers and presumed culprits of the massacre of Iranian political prisoners in 1988 is today published in an Iranian internet site, www.roshangari.net. I recommend all Persian speaking people to read the list.

As we read through the list, we can recognise many names who later promoted into key positions under President Rafsanjani and President Khatami. A number of them are now ministers of President Ahmadinejad. Some of these psychopaths tortured and raped their prisoners, according to the site.

From August to September 1988, a hideous crime was taking place in Iran. As Ayatollah Khomeini drank the ?poison chalice? and signed the peace treaty with Saddam Hossein, he psychopathologically decided to take revenge from the Iranian political prisoners who were spending their prison terms. Khomeini ordered the complete massacre of them. He wanted absolute panic to reign over Iranians to avoid any political protest.

Exact numbers of executions of 88 and the conditions of executions have never been officially reported by the IRI or their factions. Different numbers are speculated by both IRI?s deserters and rescuers, from some 4485 names published in the opposition media up to 30000 executions, as estimated.

Iran?s political prisoners were simply asked two questions each, ?Do you believe in Allah??, ?Are you prepared to renounce your organisation?? The prisoners had no idea about the consequences of their replies. In fact a ?No? to any of the above questions meant immediate execution. Many of the prisoners had already finished their prison sentences but were still not released; some were even brought back after they had been released.

The victims included teenagers, whole families, men and women. During the months of August and September, all prison visits were cancelled; families were told not to bring any medicine or food for their loved ones. During this time the killing inside Iran?s prisons continued.

The slaughter was efficient and relentless. All day long, prisoners were loaded on forklift trucks and hanged from cranes and beams in groups of six at half-hourly intervals. Others were killed by firing squad. Those not executed were subjected to horrific torture. The killing was an act of violence and unprecedented in Iranian history, unprecedented in form, content and intensity,? wrote the historian Ervand Abrahamian in his book on Iranian prisons Tortured Confessions.

Those executed were buried in unmarked mass graves on the outskirts of the towns. In Tehran, one mass burial was accidentally discovered by an Armenian priest who had become curious as to why stray dogs kept digging there for bones.

It is a moral duty to mention that such massacres can always repeat as soon as political Islam exists. The historical justification of such massacres has roots in the epoch of the Prophet Muhammad when he came up with the idea that it is perfectly legitimate to kill ?unbelievers? ?the teaching of the Koran confirms it:

?Those who resist Allah and his messenger will be humbled to dust?: the Koran 58-5. Or: ?I will instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers?, the Koran 8-12.
These verses like a series of radical interpretations of the Koran justify not only Muslims? jihad against non-believers, but also have been used or abused for inner conflicts within Muslims, among their different sects and power-thirsty groups who have been mutually killing each others since the advent of Islam for being ?the enemy of Islam?.

IRI?s version of Islam justified both categories of ?enemy of Islam? namely the ?Molhed? or unbelievers and the ?hypocrite? Muslims of the Mojahedins?, both victims of the massacre.

In the nineteenth year of the massacre, we all freedom-loving Iranians along with the families who lost their loved children in summer 88 want the international judicial authorities to summon the murderers of this genocide to an international tribunal to be tried. This is a natural right that was given to the victims of Nazi genocides to bring the culprits to the N?renberg Court for their crimes against humanity.

I hope the published list of Roshangari of the culprits can shed a new light on this forgotten massacre.

Posted in Politics, Iran, General
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 03:10 pm
@Red cv,
Red;34544 wrote:
Well for a Muslim you aren't very educated about world events, the quote is from the ex-leader of Iran. Oh and he was a muslim, a crazy barking mad man ......


I tried to help you regarding the wrong information you got and you intentionally want to believe. This was my response couple of posts above (post # 164) (check it here http://www.conflictingviews.com/t998-9/#post34394)


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For your information Shiaat (Khumaini people) are Pagans (not Muslims) just like you christians. They worship men and graves as you worship a man. Their man-made faith is a hybride (mixture) from all false or corrupted faiths (like judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, paganism, Magainism, etc...) and they deceive ignorant people by calling themselves muslims. They are compared with bahaism.


Nevertheless, you seem to insist on deceiving yourself and not respecting the readers of the Forum. Remember, this thread is about Sientific miracles of the Quran. I am sure when you could not bring anything credible from your fabricated bible to compare it with the Noble Quran, you chose the cheap run away tactic by spreading lies and false accusations about Islam.

I can not continue arguing with an arrogant person who freely chooses to be ignorant, willing to life and die blind and deaf no matter what you do to open his eyes or make him listen.

I wish you can study your bible and learn what it teaches you as a woman. If you really have any trust in your bible, then you must obey its orders as stated by the following passages:

Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, [1 Timothy 2:9]

but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. [1 Timothy 2:10]

A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. [1 Timothy 2:11]

But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. [1 Timothy 2:12]

For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. [1 Timothy 2:13]

And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. [1 Timothy 2:14]

But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. [1 Timothy 2:15]

The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. [1 Corinthians 14:34]

If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. [1 Corinthians 14:35]


Look how your man-made bible looks at you women:

Examples of the hatred and prejudice against women in the man-made fabricated Bible:

[Ecclesiastes 7:25]: "I directed my mind to know, to investigate and to seek wisdom and an explanation, and to know the evil of folly and the foolishness of madness."

[Ecclesiastes 7:26]: "And I discovered more bitter than death the woman whose heart is snares and nets, whose hands are chains. One who is pleasing to God will escape from her, but the sinner will be captured by her."

[Ecclesiastes 7:27]: "Behold, I have discovered this," says the Preacher, "adding one thing to another to find an explanation,"

[Ecclesiastes 7:28]: "which I am still seeking but have not found. I have found one man among a thousand, but I have not found a woman among all these."



I really feel sorry for you and I'm gonna just ignore your posts from now on.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 05:56 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;34394 wrote:
It's a very shameful response. Shame on you. You give a very bad example of a christian woman who posts such filthy passages from a non-Muslim evil leader called Khumaini and then blame it on Islam!

For your information Shiaat (Khumaini people) are Pagans (not Muslims) just like you christians. They worship men and graves as you worship a man. Their man-made faith is a hybride (mixture) from all false or corrupted faiths (like judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, paganism, Magainism, etc...) and they deceive ignorant people by calling themselves muslims. They are compared with bahaism.

Islam is that original true message inspired by Allah to his last and final messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) which you can find it in the Quran and in the authentic hadeeths.

Next time when you want to debate Muslims, quote from either the Noble Quran or from the Authentic Hadeeths (authentic collections of the sayings and teachings of the Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him)).



No, Sword, Red is doing her job. She is faithfully resisting Islam, which she and I view as a lethal threat to the West. We are called to oppose it. This is our duty. Sword, I will fight the spread of Islam with everything I am and could ever be. No compromises. No surrender.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 06:10 pm
@The Submitter,
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I really feel sorry for you and I'm gonna just ignore your posts from now on.
Welcome to the club Red.
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Red cv
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 04:38 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;34394 wrote:
It's a very shameful response. Shame on you. You give a very bad example of a christian woman who posts such filthy passages from a non-Muslim evil leader called Khumaini and then blame it on Islam!

For your information Shiaat (Khumaini people) are Pagans (not Muslims) just like you christians. They worship men and graves as you worship a man. Their man-made faith is a hybride (mixture) from all false or corrupted faiths (like judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, paganism, Magainism, etc...) and they deceive ignorant people by calling themselves muslims. They are compared with bahaism.

Islam is that original true message inspired by Allah to his last and final messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) which you can find it in the Quran and in the authentic hadeeths.

Next time when you want to debate Muslims, quote from either the Noble Quran or from the Authentic Hadeeths (authentic collections of the sayings and teachings of the Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him)).



Well you were certainly well indoctorined into the Cult of Islam Sword. First of all my words aren't shameful but true. You give excuses when I show you the global face of Islam, well the world sees it for what it is Violent and backwards.

A few words of advice Sword don't marry your first cousin, England's history of madmen and desease should be reason enough not to marry someone who's DNA closly resembles your own.

I wonder if that is the reason so many Muslim men are willing to kill in the name of Allah two hundred years of marrying your kin can't be good for the gene pool. Cough cough, infact I'd say boardline intelligence at best would be the result.
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 06:40 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;34625 wrote:
No, Sword, Red is doing her job. She is faithfully resisting Islam, which she and I view as a lethal threat to the West. We are called to oppose it. This is our duty. Sword, I will fight the spread of Islam with everything I am and could ever be. No compromises. No surrender.


This is for all of those who let hate blind their hearts: When you sit alone, ask yourself those questions:

Do you think that When you spread LIES about Islam will that make your fabricated faith right and true !!!? and will your lies make the TRUTH (Islam) false !!!?

When you inentionally spread lies and deceptions about the TRUTH (Islam) is that going to save you from the eternal Hellfire !!?



We are not here to win a battle as you seem to believe. We are here to seek the TRUTH through proofs and evidences.
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 06:47 pm
@Pinochet73,
[SIZE="3"]Scientific Comparison between Qur'an and Bible [/SIZE]

By Dr. Zakir Naik


If you glance through the Bible and the Qur?an you may find several points which appear to be exactly the same in both of them, but when you analyse them closely, you realise that there is a difference of ?chalk and cheese? between them. Only based on historical details it is difficult for someone who is neither conversant with Christianity or Islam to come to a firm decision as to which of the scriptures is true; however if you verify the relevant passages of both the scriptures against scientific knowledge, you will yourself realize the truth.



a. Creation of the Universe in Six Days

As per the Bible, in the first book of Genesis in Chapter On e, the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period. Even though the Qur?an mentions that the universe was created in six ?Ayyaams?, ?Ayyaam? is the plural of years; this word has two meanings: firstly, it means a standard twenty-four hours period i.e. a day, and secondly, it also means stage, period or epoch which is a very long period of time.

When the Qur?an mentions that the universe was created in six ?Ayyaams?, it refers to the creation of the heavens and the earth in six long periods or epochs; scientists have no objection to this statement. The creation of the universe has taken billions of years, which proves false or contradicts the concept of the Bible which states that the creation of the Universe took six days of twenty-four hour durations each.

b. Sun Created After the Day

The Bible says in chapter 1, verses 3-5, of Genesis that the phenomenon of day and night was created on the first day of creation of the Universe by God. The light circulating in the universe is the result of a complex reaction in the stars; these stars were created according to the Bible (Genesis chapter 1 verse 14 to 19) on the fourth day. It is illogical to mention the result that is the light (the phenomenon of day and night) was created on the first day of Creation when the cause or source of the light was created three days later. Moreover the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceivable after the creation of the earth and its rotation around the sun. In contrast with the contents of the Bible on this issue, the Qur?an does not give any unscientific sequence of Creation. Hence it is absolutely absurd to say that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) copied the passages pertaining to the creation of the universe from the Bible but missed out this illogical and fantastic sequence of the Bible.

c. Creation of the Sun, The Earth and the Moon

According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 9 to 13, the earth was created on the third day, and as per verses 14 to 19, the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day. The earth and the moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the Sun. Hence to place the creation of the sun and the moon after the creation of the earth is contrary to the established idea about the formation of the solar system.

d. Vegetation Created on the third day and Sun on the fourth day

According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as has been stated in the Bible?

If Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) was indeed the author of the Qur?an and had copied its contents from the Bible, how did he manage to avoid the factual errors that the Bible contains? The Qur?an does not contain any statements which are incompatible with scientific facts.

e. The Sun and the Moon both Emit light

According to the Bible both the sun and the moon emit their own light. In the Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verse 16 says, ?And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night?.

Science tells us today that the moon does not have its own light. This confirms the Qur?anic concept that the light of the moon is a reflected light. To think that 1400 years ago, Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) corrected these scientific errors in the Bible and then copied such corrected passages in the Qur?an is to think of something impossible.

f. Adam the First man on Earth, lived 5,800 years ago

As per the genealogy of Jesus Christ given in the Bible, from Jesus through Abraham (pbuh) to the first man on earth i.e. Adam (pbuh), Adam appeared on the earth approximately 5800 years ago:
i) 1948 years between Adam (pbuh) and Abraham (pbuh)
ii) Approximately 1800 years between Abraham (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh)
iii) 2000 years from Jesus (pbuh) till today

These figures are further confused by the fact that the Jewish calendar is currently on or about 5800 years old.

There is sufficient evidence from archaeological and anthropological sources to suggest that the first human being on earth was present tens of thousands of years ago and not merely 5,800 years ago as is suggested by the Bible.

The Qur?an too speaks about Adam (pbuh) as the first man on earth but it does not suggest any date or period of his life on earth, unlike the Bible - what the Bible says in this regard is totally incompatible with science.

g. Noah and the Flood

The Biblical description of the flood in Genesis chapter 6, 7 and 8 indicates that the deluge was universal and it destroyed every living thing on earth, except those present with Noah (pbuh) in the ark. The description suggests that the event took place 1656 years after the creation of Adam (pbuh) or 292 years before the birth of Abraham, at a time when Noah (pbuh) was 600 years old. Thus the flood may have occurred in the 21st or 22nd Century B.C.

This story of the flood, as given in the Bible, contradicts scientific evidence from archaelogical sources which indicate that the eleventh dynasty in Egypt and the third dynasty in Babylonia were in existence without any break in civilisation and in a manner totally unaffected by any major calamity which may have occurred in the 21st century B.C. This contradicts the Biblical story that the whole world had been immersed in the flood water. In contrast to this, the Qur?anic presentation of the story of Noah and the flood does not conflict with scientific evidence or archaeological data; firstly, the Qur?an does not indicate any specific date or year of the occurance of that event, and secondly, according to the Qur?an the flood was not a universal phenomenon which destroyed complete life on earth. In fact the Qur?an specifically mentions that the flood was a localised event only involving the people of Noah.

It is illogical to assume that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) had borrowed the story of the flood from the Bible and corrected the mistakes before mentioning it in the Qur?an.

h. Moses and Pharaoh of the Exodus

The story of Moses (pbuh) and the Pharaoh of the Exodus are very much identical in the Qur?an and the Bible. Both scriptures agree that the Pharaoh drowned when he tried to pursue Moses (pbuh) and led the Israelites across a stretch of water that they crossed. The Qur?an gives an additional piece of information in Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 92: ?This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!? [Al-Qur?an 10:92]

Dr. Maurice Bucaille, after a thorough research proved that although Rameses II was known to have persecuted the Israelites as per the Bible, he actually died while Moses (pbuh) was taking refuge in Median. Rameses II?s son Merneptah who succeeded him as Pharaoh drowned during the exodus. In 1898, the mummified body of Merneptah was found in the valley of Kings in Egypt. In 1975, Dr. Maurice Bucaille with other doctors received permission to examine the Mummy of Merneptah, the findings of which proved that Merneptah probably died from drowning or a violent shock which immediately preceeded the moment of drowning. Thus the Qur?anic verse that we shall save his body as a sign, has been fulfilled by the Pharaohs? body being kept at the Royal Mummies room in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.

This verse of the Qur?an compelled Dr. Maurice Bucaille, who was a Christian then, to study the Qur?an. He later wrote a book ?The Bible, the Qur?an and Science?, and confessed that the author of the Qur?an can be no one else besides God Himself. Thus he embraced Islam.

i. Qur?an is a book of Allah

These evidences are sufficient to conclude that the Qur?an was not copied from the Bible, but that the Qur?an is the Furqaan - ?the Criteria? to judge right from wrong and it should be used to decipher which portion of the Bible may be considered as the Word of God.

The Qur?an itself testifies in Surah Sajda chapter 32 verse 1 to 3 Alif Laam Meem. (This is) the revelation of the Book in which there is no doubt ? from the Lord of the Worlds.Or do they say, ?He has forged it?? Nay, it is the Truth from thy Lord, that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come before thee: in order that they may receive guidance.? [Al-Qur?an 32:1-3]
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2007 07:18 pm
@The Submitter,
This is for all of those who let hate blind their hearts: When you sit alone, ask yourself those questions: If Islam is the TRUTH...

Do you think that When you spread LIES about Islam will that make your fabricated faith right and true !!!? and will your lies make the TRUTH (Islam) false !!!?

When you inentionally spread lies and deceptions about the TRUTH (Islam) is that going to save you from the eternal Hellfire !!?


We are not here to win a battle as you seem to believe. We are here to seek the TRUTH through proofs and evidences.
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 02:02 am
@Pinochet73,
[SIZE="3"]The Shape of the Earth[/SIZE]

Today we can look at a globe and know that the earth is somewhat like a ball, a sphere. The Qur'an makes certain statements that led Muslim scientists to understand long before their European counterparts that the earth is spherical.

When Europe was in the dark ages thinking that the earth was flat, Muslim students were using globes for studying the earth in Islamic universities.

Since it was not the purpose of the Qur'an to teach science, the Qur'an did not need to state explicitly that the earth is spherical in shape (or more precisely, a geoid). But some of what the Qur'an says stimulates you to think of the world as a globe. Take, for example, the following verse: "Have you not seen how God merges the night into the day and merges the day into the night?" (Quran 31:29).

Another verse tells us that God coils the day and night around: "He coils the night upon the day and He coils the day upon the night" (Quran 39:5).

The word 'coils' in the verse above is a translation of the Arabic verb kawwara which is used in describing the action of coiling a turban around the head. To understand this statement fully, readers of the Qur'an had to think of the earth as a sphere.

To fully appreciate the above two statements in the Qur'an, try this experiment at home: You need a flashlight and a globe. Take these items into a dark room. Using the flashlight to simulate the light of the sun, shine the light upon the globe. Notice that only one half of the globe is lighted up. The other half is in darkness. Half the world is having day, the other half is having night. Now, recall that the earth is continuously rotating on its axis and will go around completely in twenty four hours. Slowly turn the globe around to simulate this rotation. Notice that as the globe turns, the day is going around the globe to light up the other half of the world. The night is also going around the globe to give rest to the other half of the world.

The day and night are perpetually coiling around the earth with some degree of interpenetration. This is exactly how it appears to astronauts during their space flights.

Dr. Bucaille makes the following remark: "This process of perpetual coiling, including the interpenetration of one sector by another, is expressed in the Qur'an just as if the concept of the earth's roundness had already been conceived at the time?which was obviously not the case." (The Bible, the Qur'an and Science, p. 165).

How do we explain the presence of this knowledge in the Qur'an? This obviously did not reflect the level of learning of the time, but was helpful in stimulating Muslim scientists to conceive of the earth in its real shape.

"This is no less than a reminder to (all) the worlds. And you shall certainly know the truth of it (all) after a while." (Quran 38:87-88).
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Red cv
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 06:29 pm
@The Submitter,
LOL there are so many fallacies in your post it's funny. Islam and Science please the koran is so wrong it would take one retarded scientist an hour to debunk your propaganda Sword of Satan. Currently Islamic scholors are suicide bombers who teach how to strap a bomb on their own children. For the past sixty years Islam hasn't done squat, the Jews triple the Muslims in science and prosperity. Hello even trained Muslim doctors in Scotland couldn't get the formula right for a bomb thus setting their pathetic asses on fire. It's to bad really watching the one that died live his life out in prison with third degree burns would of been rather rewarding. Even the educated are dumber than a hedge fence and twice as dense. That's good for us, bad for them.
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 11:16 pm
@The Submitter,
If you christians trust Jesus -which I doubt you do, then you must free your hearts from hate and evil that blind them, read what Jesus (peace be upon him) in your own Bible said about those WHO would take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God:


Jesus said: "Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last.”(Luke 13:30)

Who are the last in reveltion!?

They are the Muslims, as Islam is the last and final revelation (message) from God.


Here are the complete passages and read what God would say to you christians ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me,' :

(Luke 13:22-30):

22 Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem.
23 Someone asked him, “Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?”
He said to them, 24 “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’ “But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’ 26 “Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 “But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’ 28 “There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29 People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. 30 Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last.”
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Reply Sun 9 Sep, 2007 09:59 pm
@The Submitter,
[SIZE="3"]Islam is Fastest Growing Religion in United States[/SIZE]

By Jim Garamone / American Forces Press Service

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WASHINGTON, Oct. 4, 2001 -- Muslims, those who believe in Islam, are everywhere in the United States. They may be your doctor or drive your taxi. They may serve you in restaurants or advise you in law. And if you’re in the military, they increasingly may be in the same foxhole, manning the same position or working on the same aircraft as you.


Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, with more than 1.3 billion believers. In the United States, it is the fastest growing religion, a trend fueled mostly by immigration. There are 5 million to 7 million Muslims in the U.S., including between 10,000 and 20,000 members of the American military. One of them is Army Chaplain (Capt.) Abdul-Rasheed Muhammad, a Muslim Imam stationed at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington. In his chaplaincy, he ministers to all faiths.
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 04:14 am
@SWORD of GOD,
[SIZE="3"]Science Student Found Peace and Logic in ISLAM[/SIZE]


A Fredericton university student says he turned to Islam after feeling let down by his Christian upbringing.
Fourth-year science student Steven Byers has recently joined the Muslim faith, one of the latest converts to one of the fastest growing religions in North America.

Byers says he didn't have a specific belief system five years ago when he became burdened by a series of unfortunate events beyond his control. He was raised Christian, but says the Bible couldn't help him cope.
"I would question, why would God do that to me, to my family, to my friends? It just didn't make sense to me. And then I got really angry, it was the only time I got angry about a lot of stuff."

Last spring, Byers' friends encouraged him to learn more about Islam. He says he found a belief system that perfectly matched his logical mind.
Then last summer, Byers spoke the Shahada -- the testimony of faith, saying Allah is the only God, and Mohammed is the last Prophet of Islam.

[SIZE="2"]Watch Byers telling his own story in this CBS TV report[/SIZE] YouTube - Science student find peace and Logic in ISLAM
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 02:35 pm
@The Submitter,
A pityful Christian blaming God for his problems so he converts to Islam, well frankly sword Muslim are always on the news bleating about being more deserving and riot when they hear the word no. God forbid Muslims hold themself accountable for their actions, like burning down entire city blocks over a cartoon. So I'd say this cry baby is a natural Muslim, enjoy him we've lost another leftard to the dark side. I call that justiceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
 

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