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Sat 27 Jan, 2007 06:15 pm
Tens of thousands march against Iraq war By CALVIN WOODWARD and LARRY MARGASAK, Associated Press Writers
Convinced this is their moment, tens of thousands marched Saturday in an anti-war demonstration linking military families, ordinary people and an icon of the Vietnam protest movement in a spirited call to get out of Iraq.
Celebrities, a half-dozen lawmakers and protesters from distant states rallied in the capital under a sunny sky, seizing an opportunity to press their cause with a Congress restive on the war and a country that has turned against the conflict.
Marching with them was Jane Fonda, in what she said was her first anti-war demonstration in 34 years.
"Silence is no longer an option," Fonda said to cheers from the stage on the National Mall. The actress once derided as "Hanoi Jane" by conservatives for her stance on Vietnam said she had held back from activism so as not to be a distraction for the Iraq anti-war movement, but needed to speak out now.
The rally on the Mall unfolded peacefully, although about 300 protesters tried to rush the Capitol, running up the grassy lawn to the front of the building. Police on motorcycles tried to stop them, scuffling with some and barricading entrances.
Protesters chanted "Our Congress" as their numbers grew and police faced off against them. Demonstrators later joined the masses marching from the Mall, around Capitol Hill and back.
About 50 demonstrators blocked a street near the Capitol for about 30 minutes, but they were dispersed without arrests.
United for Peace and Justice, a coalition group sponsoring the protest, had hoped 100,000 would come. They claimed even more afterward, but police, who no longer give official estimates, said privately the crowd was smaller than 100,000.
At the rally, 12-year-old Moriah Arnold stood on her toes to reach the microphone and tell the crowd: "Now we know our leaders either lied to us or hid the truth. Because of our actions, the rest of the world sees us as a bully and a liar."
The sixth-grader from Harvard, Mass., organized a petition drive at her school against the war that has killed more than 3,000 U.S. service-members, including seven whose deaths were reported Saturday.
More Hollywood celebrities showed up at the demonstration than buttoned-down Washington typically sees in a month.
Actor Sean Penn said lawmakers will pay a price in the 2008 elections if they do not take firmer action than to pass a nonbinding resolution against the war, the course Congress is now taking.
"If they don't stand up and make a resolution as binding as the death toll, we're not going to be behind those politicians," he said. Actors Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins also spoke.
Fonda was a lightning rod in the Vietnam era for her outspoken opposition to that war and her advocacy from Hanoi at the height of that conflict. Sensitive to the old wounds, she made it a point to thank the active-duty service-members, veterans and Gold Star mothers who attended the rally.
She drew parallels to the Vietnam War, citing "blindness to realities on the ground, hubris ... thoughtlessness in our approach to rebuilding a country we've destroyed." But she noted that this time, veterans, soldiers and their families increasingly and vocally are against the Iraq war.
The House Judiciary Committee chairman, Rep. John Conyers (news, bio, voting record), threatened to use congressional spending power to try to stop the war. "George Bush has a habit of firing military leaders who tell him the Iraq war is failing," he said, looking out at the masses. "He can't fire you." Referring to Congress, the Michigan Democrat added: "He can't fire us.
"The founders of our country gave our Congress the power of the purse because they envisioned a scenario exactly like we find ourselves in today. Now only is it in our power, it is our obligation to stop Bush."
On the stage rested a coffin covered with a U.S. flag and a pair of military boots, symbolizing American war dead. On the Mall stood a large bin filled with tags bearing the names of Iraqis who have died.
A small contingent of active-duty service members attended the rally, wearing civilian clothes because military rules forbid them from protesting in uniform.
Air Force Staff Sgt. Tassi McKee, 26, an intelligence specialist at Fort Meade, Md., said she joined the Air Force because of patriotism, travel and money for college. "After we went to Iraq, I began to see through the lies," she said.
In the crowd, signs recalled the November elections that defeated the Republican congressional majority in part because of President Bush's Iraq policy. "I voted for peace," one said.
"I've just gotten tired of seeing widows, tired of seeing dead Marines," said Vincent DiMezza, 32, wearing a dress Marine uniform from his years as a sergeant. A Marine aircraft mechanic from 1997 to 2002, he did not serve in Iraq or Afghanistan.
About 40 people staged a counter-protest, including Army Cpl. Joshua Sparling, 25, who lost his leg to a bomb in Iraq.
He said the anti-war protesters, especially those who are veterans or who are on active duty, "need to remember the sacrifice we have made and what our fallen comrades would say if they are alive."
Bush reaffirmed his commitment to his planned troop increase in a phone conversation Saturday with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. The president was in Washington for the weekend. He is often is out of town during big protest days.
"He understands that Americans want to see a conclusion to the war in Iraq and the new strategy is designed to do just that," said Gordon Johndroe, a spokesman for the National Security Council.
Protest organizers said the crowd included people who came on 300 buses from 40 states.
@Doly,
Well l have changed my mind about three times in regard the the IRAQ war, but I think it is vital to finish the mess that NATO countries started. I would rather see a support march for the troops stationed their, and fund raising events to ensure that the troops are taken care of when they return, for hospital care, counselling through post-traumatic stress dis-order, and for schooling.
Having peace marches are not really achieving a whole hell of a lot, since they are not contributing anything to a solution, just adding pressure.
I really get tired of these peaceniks that go around feeling so rightful and good about themselves saying they love peace.
That is just fine to say, but it is more courageous and fruitful to come up with contributions rather than just words.
How about contributing to a peaceful outcome by actually working on some efforts towards supporting your country and those who are stuck serving it with little reward.
How about writing to the troops and tell them how much they are appreciated.
How about brainstorming with politicans about possible solutions.
How about celebreties actually doing something beyond bolstering their careers by posing for the cameras and stating a few words yet not contributing to any viable solution or support for those who felt they were defending a country worth defending.
Hanoi Jane should go and raise money to give these troops a welcome when they come home, and that would be a more worthy cause then just bitching and complaining about a war in which we cannot simply come home from!!!
Maybe she should go to Iraq and give the Iraqi's a protest march, and demand that they follow a peace plan!!!
@Doly,
Jane went to Vietnam when she started her anti-war protests in the sixties. I doubt she'll be going to Iraq. She's too old and there's too much violence against Americans right now.
I really don't understand why she is joining in on the anti-war protests since she apologized several times for what she did in the sixties when she went to Vietnam to protest that war. Once an anti-war activist, always an anti-war activist, I guess. Maybe she thinks as long as she stays here in the States and doesn't fraternize with the enemy that her protests will be accepted by the mainstream. And they probably will be. I didn't get much reaction out of people when I posted this thread so I guess people either agree with her views or they just don't care what she thinks anymore. Maybe most people don't really care what any of these celebrities have to say.
@Doly,
Ironic that the American Military is fighting to free Iraq so they can choose their path, just as she did so these peaceniks can exercise their "Freedom" of speech. Of course the irony would be lost on these people, I believe they wanted absolute failure in Iraq. Bush never had a chance in Iraq, the media made sure of that.
@Doly,
I'd really like to see jane stradle an IED.
@Doly,
What would Republicans do if they didn't have the press and Clinton to blame for all their problems? :lame:
@Doly,
Proabably the same thing you will do when Bush is gone. Who will get the blame then?
@Doly,
As far as I'm concerned, it will be whoever is causing the problem -- not some scapegoat.
@Doly,
It's so simple, I do not understand why more people don't see it!
The mistake of invading Iraq without a clear understanding of the consequences it has wrought, rests squarely on the shoulders of the administration currently in office. That statement does not say invading Iraq was a mistake, it states that the administrations plan was faulty. That being said, I am under the assumption that most people (like myself) like to fix their own mistakes. The US is responsible for the security and safety of the people of Iraq. Until we can get them to stand up for themselves, that is our responsibilty. It is all part and parcel with the invasion of another country. The US rebuilt Germany and Japan after WW2, we must do the same here.
Whatever mistakes have been made, it is our doing, we have to stay in Iraq until the job of creating a stable government is done. It is our responsibility. Second guessing at this late stage is distracting and reprehensible to the troops over there that are trying to tidy up the mess that we have made. The deserve all the support we can give them. To undermine their moral by choosing to only run the most distressing news stories one can find serves no purpose but to do exactly that, undermine their moral and erode support. It also serves to strengthen the enemies of a stable Iraq.
@Doly,
I'm thinking these protests will only get bigger and more frequent, especially once this troop surge is in place. There is something about increased troop casualities that tend to make folks start voiceing their opinions.
By the looks of the last protest, a few of them may have to wait for their SSI checks to make a return trip.:cool:
@Doly,
Quote:It's so simple, I do not understand why more people don't see it!
The mistake of invading Iraq without a clear understanding of the consequences it has wrought, rests squarely on the shoulders of the administration currently in office. That statement does not say invading Iraq was a mistake, it states that the administrations plan was faulty. That being said, I am under the assumption that most people (like myself) like to fix their own mistakes. The US is responsible for the security and safety of the people of Iraq. Until we can get them to stand up for themselves, that is our responsibilty. It is all part and parcel with the invasion of another country. The US rebuilt Germany and Japan after WW2, we must do the same here.
Whatever mistakes have been made, it is our doing, we have to stay in Iraq until the job of creating a stable government is done. It is our responsibility. Second guessing at this late stage is distracting and reprehensible to the troops over there that are trying to tidy up the mess that we have made. The deserve all the support we can give them. To undermine their moral by choosing to only run the most distressing news stories one can find serves no purpose but to do exactly that, undermine their moral and erode support. It also serves to strengthen the enemies of a stable Iraq.
DMizer
That sounds about right to me...it was a big huge mistake to go in their without understanding the situation properly, but there is always wisedom in hindsight...how many people take the time to look at the culture to understand the war? At least Bush admitted the mistake and was willing to make changes...at least that was one good that came out of all the mess of Vietnam...
Even now, the Iraqis are incapable of being honest, and honourable, look at the fiasco over construction, the Iraqi government getting involved and bullying the construction contractor. And what l can't understand is why the US is footing this enormous bill.
The U.N. took over the banking and so 500 billion bucks from oil is sitting in the bank...so why are they not paying for this out of the money the UN IS HOLDING!!! If they were footing the bill then they could build as many indoor swimming pools as they liked and who cares if they steal from the construction budget!!!
And why is the US buying weapons for them, they can pay the bill themselves...
@Doly,
Doly;10130 wrote:As far as I'm concerned, it will be whoever is causing the problem -- not some scapegoat.
Works both ways i suppose.
@Tulip cv,
Tulip;10147 wrote:DMizer
That sounds about right to me...it was a big huge mistake to go in their without understanding the situation properly, but there is always wisedom in hindsight...how many people take the time to look at the culture to understand the war? At least Bush admitted the mistake and was willing to make changes...at least that was one good that came out of all the mess of Vietnam...
Even now, the Iraqis are incapable of being honest, and honourable, look at the fiasco over construction, the Iraqi government getting involved and bullying the construction contractor. And what l can't understand is why the US is footing this enormous bill.
The U.N. took over the banking and so 500 billion bucks from oil is sitting in the bank...so why are they not paying for this out of the money the UN IS HOLDING!!! If they were footing the bill then they could build as many indoor swimming pools as they liked and who cares if they steal from the construction budget!!!
And why is the US buying weapons for them, they can pay the bill themselves...
I'm sure Kofi and his boys already helped themselves to some of the billions.
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