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To Spank Or Not To Spank, That Is The Question

 
 
Doly
 
Reply Tue 23 Jan, 2007 12:22 pm
I heard on the news yesterday that our legislators in Washington DC are thinking about passing a law to make spanking your own child illegal. I can't believe that our lawmakers have the time, what with all the other important business they have on their agenda, to get involved with this issue. I have always been of the opinion that if a child needs a spanking, the parent is the best judge as to if and when to administer it. My parents and grandparents spanked me on occasion and I have to say that every time they did, I deserved it. My grandmother used to make my sister and I pick our own switches. (The pickin' was worse than the spankin'. LOL! Of course we always tried to pick the smallest switches we could find, but they still stung anyway.) I spanked my children (probably a grand total of four or five times in their life) and I would pop the belt while I was going down the hall. (My son told me hearing the belt pop was worse than the spanking. Oh, don't I know how that psychological pressure can get to you. :p )
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Curmudgeon
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jan, 2007 03:26 pm
@Doly,
That is only a proposed law in California . Not likely to pass even there , much less anywhere else .
From Mercurynews.com ;
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SACRAMENTO - The state Legislature is about to weigh in on a question that stirs impassioned debate among moms and dads: Should parents spank their children?

Assemblywoman Sally Lieber, D-Mountain View, wants to outlaw spanking children up to 3 years old. If she succeeds, California would become the first state in the nation to explicitly ban parents from smacking their kids.

Making a swat on the behind a misdemeanor might seem a bit much for some -- and the chances of the idea becoming law appear slim, at best -- but Lieber begs to differ.

``I think it's pretty hard to argue you need to beat a child 3 years old or younger,'' Lieber said. ``Is it OK to whip a 1-year-old or a 6-month-old or a newborn?''

The bill, which is still being drafted, will be written broadly, she added, prohibiting ``any striking of a child, any corporal punishment, smacking, hitting, punching, any of that.'' Lieber said it would be a misdemeanor, punishable by up to a year in jail or a fine up to $1,000, although a legal expert advising her on the proposal said first-time offenders would probably only have to attend parenting classes.

The idea is encountering skepticism even before it's been formally introduced. Beyond the debate among child psychologists -- many of whom believe limited spanking can be effective -- the bill is sure to face questions over how practical it is to enforce and opposition from some legislators who generally oppose what they consider ``nanny government.''


Reading further -
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Experts in child psychology disagree over whether spanking is a legitimate or effective way for parents to discipline their children. Professor Robert Larzelere, who has studied child discipline for 30 years, said his research shows spanking is fine, as long as it's used sparingly and doesn't escalate to abuse.

``If it's used in a limited way,'' the Oklahoma State University professor said, ``it can be more effective than almost any other type of punishment.'' He added that children 18 months old or younger shouldn't be spanked at all, because they can't understand why it's happening.

As for Lieber's proposal, the professor said: ``I think this proposal is not just a step too far, it's a leap too far. At least from a scientific perspective there really isn't any research to support the idea that this would make things better for children.''

But Lieber is optimistic that lawmakers will find her proposal hard to resist. For the record, she does not have children and says she was not slapped as a child. But she does have a cat named Snoop, which her veterinarian told her never to hit.

``And if you never hit a cat,'' Lieber said, ``you should never hit a kid.''


So , her experience is with a cat , not kids . I was spanked , and my children and grandchildren were and are getting spanked , and so far we are doing just fine .
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NaterG
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jan, 2007 04:43 pm
@Doly,
I was definately spanked as a child, and deserved it everytime. I turned out just fine. Its the kids that never get touched and rarely punished are the ones that turn out to be the psycho killers. Or the ones that are beaten relentlessly. Those kinds of beatings are not out of love or punishment, but out of hate. I knew my parents loved me, they always made sure they let me know. But if I did something wrong, I knew I had to pay the consequences.
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Doly
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jan, 2007 05:19 pm
@Doly,
Sorry for the error in reporting. But I am glad to hear that this legislation is going nowhere.
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Willie cv
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jan, 2007 06:36 pm
@Doly,
We all error...no need to apologize, but it was nice.

I'm glad this is going nowhere, as well.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 29 Jan, 2007 08:36 pm
@Doly,
I like the way she presents the bill using the word "spank" but yet when she physically talks about it she uses words like "beat" and "whip." But if she would of been hit by her parents she would of only been "slapped?" They didn't slap her but i wonder if they did any thing else like the other words she's afraid to reference? I wonder how she gets her cat to understand not to sleep on the couch or for shitting on the carpet. What about when the cat diggs it nails into the furniture? Does she talk to her cat, does the cat understand her? I think she is as full of what her bill is.
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Morningstarr
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jan, 2007 02:32 pm
@Doly,
Unless I'm mistaken they have already passed a law like this in Scotland.

Personally I see no need for corporal punishment, but history does indicate that it may be effective. If it is abolished different techniques need to be widely publicised.
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oceanclub
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jan, 2007 08:03 pm
@Doly,
Only a liberal would want to pass a law like that. It would do kids good to get spanked when they misbehave. I don't care what Dr. Spock says
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jan, 2007 09:19 pm
@Doly,
Did you know Mr Spocks son killed himself. Way to teach your kid. Welcome OC
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lowflyn
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jan, 2007 11:18 pm
@Doly,
A good spanking is the most effective way to get the idea across to a young child. I know when I was growing up, and did something wrong, I was reminded of that with a good spanking and knew from that point on I didn't do that particular thing anymore. Furthermore, I knew if I did it again, I might as well go ahead and get ready for the consequences.

My children will be spanked, regardless what some government tells me I can or cannot do.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jan, 2007 02:08 pm
@Doly,
Wow, look what the assemblywomens cat drug in. How you doing Lowflyin?
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Red cv
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jan, 2007 05:44 pm
@Doly,
Ah the parent police want to ban spanking, or they tried. Just the threat of a spanking worked on me, neither parent actually had to do it. Mom knocked me out once thou, we had company and myself and my six siblings were sent outside to play and I being rather nosey decided to peep into the key hole to see what the adults were doing at the same time Mom opened the door. Bang door knob into the eye and bridge of the nose. I had quite the shiner.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jan, 2007 08:14 pm
@Doly,
LOL, nice story Red.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sun 4 Feb, 2007 10:00 am
@Doly,
Townhall.com::Some people just need to get spanked::By Jennifer Roback Morse

A childless legislator here in California (where else?) has proposed a legislative ban on spanking. Sally Lieber, Democrat (naturally) from Mountain View, which is in Northern California (why am I not surprised?) believes this is a proper function of state government.

According to the San Jose Mercury News, “The bill, which is still being drafted, will be written broadly, she added, prohibiting ‘any striking of a child, any corporal punishment, smacking, hitting, punching, any of that.’ Lieber said it would be a misdemeanor, punishable by up to a year in jail or a fine up to $1,000, although a legal expert advising her on the proposal said first-time offenders would probably only have to attend parenting classes.”

The people of California are understandably outraged at this outrageous assault on parental authority. But there is an even better reason to be outraged: banning spanking is not good for kids. Child rearing experts generally do not agree with a ban on spanking. The "two-swat spank" has been extensively studied. Two swats on a covered bottom do not constitute child abuse, and in fact, can be an important adjunct to reasoning in disciplining a child. The Murky News (as the locals call it: actually, it isn't a bad paper, as MSM outlets go) interviewed one of the leading scholars of corporal punishment, Dr. Robert Larzelere.

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Click for the rest.
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Red cv
 
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Reply Mon 5 Feb, 2007 04:01 pm
@Doly,
Those damn do-gooders just can't mind their business can they. Children being beaten and battered about while under the care of a Social worker and what do the "Useless Idiot" brigade do, attack spanking. I call Canada a "Nanny Nation", pist Mericans don't let the socialist gain an inch. I'm living with the results from a previous Liberal Government (closet socialist)and it isn't pleasant.
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Dmizer
 
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Reply Mon 5 Feb, 2007 04:14 pm
@Doly,
Are we becoming a Police state or what? Can't spank your kids, you need permits, licenses, certifications to do just about anything. Want to get married? license; want to improve your home? permit; want to smoke? sorry your SOL; there are so many things, that as a "free" society, we should not have to ask permission to do. The Government just keeps getting bigger and bigger, eventually it will be nothing like what our founding fathers envisioned.
We will become the USSA. United Socialist States of America.
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Curmudgeon
 
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Reply Mon 5 Feb, 2007 10:51 pm
@Doly,
"We will become the USSA. United Socialist States of America."

If it comes to that , I hope Texas exercises the right to secede and form her own nation again .
Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 6 Feb, 2007 07:46 am
@Doly,
Texas would be one of the few that could succeed in doing so. They have all the makings of a country and the right to do so as per the Constitution. If it does happen you'll have to scoot over, there will be quite an influx for a flegling democracy.
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Red cv
 
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Reply Tue 6 Feb, 2007 03:27 pm
@Curmudgeon,
Curmudgeon;10316 wrote:
"We will become the USSA. United Socialist States of America."

If it comes to that , I hope Texas exercises the right to secede and form her own nation again .


Do you think Texas would take Quebec?:p
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Professor Chaos
 
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Reply Tue 6 Feb, 2007 03:29 pm
@Doly,
Texas it's own nation? Only in my dreams. If it happens, I would hope they could find a way to move to the middle east with the rest of the barbaric fascists, but unfortunately there isn't enough brain power in texas to power a monkey.
 

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