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Islam? A better religion for minorites

 
 
Red cv
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 08:26 am
@SWORD of GOD,
Jo thanks for the link to the Jewish site, I'll check it out when I have some free time. Sword I hope you live outside the US because you are a Muslim Terrorist who spreads lies and hatred over the net. You are what is wrong with Islam, uneducated, unintelligent regarding Jews. A Hateful Bigot.

France is falling back into it's old anti-Jewish attitude, allowing Muslims to spread hatred and lies against the Jews. Please read this story, to say it sickens me that these Muslim pigs abducted this jewish man and tortured him because they believe ALL Jews are rich. France should hang it's head in shame for it's bigotry and racism against Jews. Islamist Muslims grow stronger daily in France and Jews flee for their lives. Coming to a country near you if we don't stop the spread of Islam in democratic countries.

Link: Western Resistance: France: Are Islamists Driving Jews Out?

A snippet from the article: 23-year old Ilan Halimi worked at a cellular phone store in the boulevard Voltaire in Paris. Young and Jewish, he was approached in January, 2006 in the store by a young girl of Iranian origin aged 17, who called herself Yalda. They flirted with each other, swapped phone numbers, and arranged a rendezvous for January 21. Ilan turned up for the date, but in addition to meeting the seductive young woman who had chatted with him earlier, he was met by three members of a gang that called itself "The Barbarians". The gang members were mostly Muslim, and their leader was a 26-year old, originally from the Cote d'Ivoire, called Youssouf Fofana.

The gang took Ilan to the Pierre-Plate housing project in Bagneux in the suburban district of Hauts-de-Seine. The gang had rented an apartment in one of the blocks, but Ilan was destined to be imprisoned in a pump room in the basement. He screamed for two minutes as the hooded thugs carried him off. The gang had a close relationship with the janitor at the housing block. Up to 30 people in the building would eventually know what was going on beneath them, but no-one bothered to call the police.

For Yalda, her part in the plan was over. She had been paid $6,000 to seek out a victim, an
JoJoJams
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 08:59 am
@SWORD of GOD,
Come ON man!! Sword, you can do better than that!! DOn't just post links - post an argument and debate!!! ~~ I'll help you...

First and foremost, to my jibe at you about you quoting different paragraphs for the same Chapter, you should have come back and stated the obvious -- The talmud isn't broken down into sub-sections like Christianity has done with the bible ((eg: "such and such chapter, verse 13")) So, legitimately one could post a Chapter, as you did, and still have different paragraphs after it.
Coming back at me with that would have been a good argument that I would have to concede (and I would have had to apologize for calling you names over it.) and it could have bolstered your argument.


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Is this a source hostile to Jews!!

The Times

Israeli Rabbi (RABBI OVADIA YOSEF) Calls On God To Annihilate Arabs


By: Sam Kiley in Jerusalem
The Times - Tuesday 10 April 2001
Israeli Rabbi Calls On God To Annihilate Arabs


I believe I answered this one in my post above......But, to reiterate: ONE rabbi spouting off, after 40 years of constant attack on Israel by the surrounding arabs, pales in comparison to the sermons of hatred by wahhabiist run mosques and madrassas throughout the world.

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Are those sources hostile to Jews !!!!


Here are Jewish sources confirm the Jews Blashemy against Jesus (PBUH) and the evil teachings against all non-jews:

1- The Jewish Encyclopedia: JESUS OF NAZARETH. (as seen by Jews) ..from the Jewish Encyclopedia JewishEncyclopedia.com - JESUS OF NAZARETH.


I believe I've already stated I don't care if they believe in Jesus or not, and I don't take offense or think it blasphemy if they don't. Just like I don't take offense or think it blasphemy for your description of Jesus, which is different from christian theology. About the only thing all 3 sides (judaism, islam, and christianity) seem to agree on about him is that he did exist.


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2- Truth about the Talmud: Racist, Rabbinic Hate Literature.

by Michael Hoffman, foremost Jewish scholar of Judaism in the English-speaking world
Truth About the Talmud: Judaism's Holiest Book


Hoffman is a Christian. Yes, he is hostile to Judaism. Further, here's a Bio on him: As you can read - YES!!! He's not only hostile to Judaism, but many would call him a "nut-job"!! ;-) Oh, and by the way - I started to read the article link you posted, and looked for the first talmudic chapter he mentioned, Erubin 21b -- Guess what?? There IS no such chapter. If you check here, The Talmud - Table of Contents You'll see there is an ERUVIN - but it only has 10 chapters.......But maybe I'm reading there numbering system wrong. Regardless, he's a SELF-PROCLAIMED "foremost jewish scholar" with no formal training (in Judaism). So, he's an allegedly christian, holocaust denying, historical revisionist who's writings only find acceptance among the KKK and muslims that hate jews (not to be confused with good muslims).

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Michael A. Hoffman II, (born 1954, New York), is an American historian and writer, and managing editor of the newsletter Revisionist History. He was educated at the State University of New York at Oswego. He is a former reporter for the New York bureau of the Associated Press and is the author of several books, including:

The Great Holocaust Trial (1985)
A Candidate for the Order (1987)
They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America (1991)
Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare (1995; revised 2001)
Judaism's Strange Gods (2000)
The Israeli Holocaust Against the Palestinians (with Moshe Lieberman), 2002.
Hoffman describes himself as a revisionist scholar. Historians of American nationalist and conspiracy movements have called him him a "Holocaust denier and proponent of multiple conspiracy theories"[1] and a member of the white-racist counterculture.[2] He moved from New York to the "white bastion" of Idaho in 1996.

Hoffman's self-described vocation is "researching the occult cryptocracy's orchestration of American history." He believes that this cryptocracy runs American history, laying out Route 66 as an occult trip between Satanic centers, and controlling American thought through psychodramas and killing sprees. He believes that the final plans of this ruling cabal are slowly being revealed through movies such as They Live and The Matrix.[3] Hoffman now writes mainly on World War II revisionism, current affairs, and the occult roots of freemasonry.

He also makes a leisure pursuit of revising the history of indentured servitude and slavery in America. In his cartoonish "They Were White and They Were Slaves," Hoffman attempts at situating poor whites as holding the lowest post in colonial and post-colonial America, even to the point of citing a non-existent quote from the "Life and Times of Frederic Douglass," in which a supposed black slave refers to the poor white as the bottom rung, black slaves occupying the middle, and the white planters as the ruling stratum. [The preceding claim about Hoffman's research is in error. Hoffman's quote about poor whites on the bottom rung is not attributed to Frederick Douglass in Hoffman's "They Were White and They Were Slaves"].

According to his book, there were actual white slaves by the hundreds of thousands which served as the historical basis for the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and African slavery. This statement ignores the provisional connotations of indentured servitude which is temporary contracted bondage. [The preceding statement ignores the whole corpus of the documentation Hoffman provides, as well as the thesis of his book: that "indentured servitude" was often a euphemism employed to conceal the chattel condition of white bondage in British America, particularly in the 17th century].


References
^ Michael Barkun, A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America, University of California Press:2003
^ Mattias Gardell, Gods of the Blood, Duke University Press:2003
^ Gardell, 99



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Is the Bible (OT) hostile to Jews when I quote the above terrorism passages directly from it !!!!!!

this is your own bible

Online Parallel Bible: Weaving God's Word into the Web


I've already answered this in my first reply as well. Do you bother to critically, honestly and openly read the debates people have with you?? (I do yours, and I'm sure others do as well). I'm not going to bother reiterating again for you - just go to my first reply and re-read what I said on this point of the Torah chapters you quoted, ok??


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Are all of those hostile to JEWS !!!!!!

Large UK Union Boycotts Israeli Goods, Protesting "Nazi-like" Policies


Are all of those hostile to JEWS !!!!!!

UK lecturers union back boycott of Israeli universities and scholars


Well, since they have a gripe about Jews, yes, I'd say they were "hostile" to Jews ~ Kind of seems obvious! ;-)

And so they believe the arab propaganda about the conflict without weighing BOTH sides. That doesn't make them correct. The root of the conflict is arab hostility to the presence of Jews - (why is gaza and the west bank Judenrein?!?) Truth is, as I've stated before, if the arabs put down their weapons today, their would be peace - If the Jews put down their weapons, there would be no more Israel.

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So far, you're doing ok, I guess. Just remember to use that thing about the "bat" being listed as a "fowl" along with the "4 feet" you mentioned. Makes a neater point for you.

It is YOUR heart, Sword, that is filled with hate - enough so that you would believe a lie.....

Quoting "scholars" that the rest of the world laughs at isn't going to help your cause. I suggest putting away your hatred and opening you heart up to the one, true God. Athiests would suggest you just put away the "god" stuff completely......For it's really filled your heart with a blind hatred.

Like I said before, I could toss quranic quotes that are the equivalent of the Torah quotes, and you KNOW this!! And you would defend them as "taken out of context" and tell me to "read the whole chapter!", just as I have told you. I'm not here to toss "scripture bombs" at each other.

Sword, if you want to know more about Judaism ((at the very least, in the vein of "Know thine enemy")) then check out: Judaism - The Jewish Website and you can read about Judaism straight from JEWS and not bigots, anti-semites and self-proclaimed "scholars" (who are laughed at in the REAL world of scholars.)

I wish you well, Sword.

JJJ
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 09:12 am
@mousy,
mousy;33843 wrote:
What has Christanity done for minorities?

Hightest rate of racial discrimination, poverty, promiscuity, police brutality, diseases, depression and hopelessness, yet many american minorities claim to draw their spiritual guidance from Christanity..:beat:-and with negative results

If minorities, african americans/mexicans in particular was to embrace another religion is it possible the pre-Hell conditions they suffer would improve?

Could Islamic teachings or any other religion for that matter.. make their plight any worse?

The God of Isreal...Deaf, Dumb and Blind.


Racial discrimination is an individual act. It engenders hatred. People like Islamic leaders use this hatred to control oithers to do their bidding. The idea you use is to ID someone or something that people can blame for their issues and attack. You choose the person or people to blame and the people who follow you do your dirty work.

Poverty is always with us. In Islam, poverty is the plight of most, this allows Wahabbi thought to gain ground. Same as communism and facism use to identify an external threat to divert attention from the actions of the rulers who have nothing but their own desires in mind when they manipulate their populace.

Police brutality? For brutality Islamist Sharia law encourages brutality toward anyone who isn't in with the religious police. Constitutional law identifies brutal civil servantrs and pounishes them for their brutality.

If you ermbrace "pre-hell" religions like Islam you get a taste of the eternity you will experience for having rejected Yahweh and His Son, Christ Jesus.

Yes, it could make their plight worse. You know it, rodent (mousy).

I pray you will repent of your blasphemy.
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JoJoJams
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 09:15 am
@Red cv,
Hi Red,

Aish.com is definitely worth checking out. There's tons of stuff up there with excellent wisdom applicable to people of all faiths - applicable to humans in general. Obviously, you won't find any of the stuff that guys like Sword love to quote - lies/libel. I can understand why he gravitates to that crap though - after all, his own scripture states that Jews are "descended from apes and pigs" and tell how you shouldn't trust them, etc. etc., and on and on ad nauseum. So, it's only natural for him to gravitate to all the lies.

You're correct on France - if current trends keep up, it will be a muslim nation in 20 years, and all the freedoms and "enlightenment" that France has enjoyed, will be lost. Helping Iran with it's nuclear aspirations and taking the arabs side in conflicts isn't going to help them.

Anyhow - Good luck to you, Red! Wish you well!

JJJ
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Red cv
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 01:26 pm
@mousy,
LOL don't forget during the second world war the French chanted we'd rather be red than dead. France has a long history of surrendering her culture to the enemy, Francistan will be her name in the future.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Wed 10 Oct, 2007 08:35 pm
@Red cv,
BBC NEWS FILM: [SIZE="3"]Sex Crimes and the Vatican[/SIZE]

Watch BBC 'Sex Crimes and the Vatican' Film here:
BBC NEWS | Programmes | Panorama | Sex crimes and the Vatican

A secret document which sets out a procedure for dealing with child sex abuse scandals within the Catholic Church is examined by Panorama.
Crimen Sollicitationis was enforced for 20 years by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger before he became the Pope.

It instructs bishops on how to deal with allegations of child abuse against priests and has been seen by few outsiders.

Critics say the document has been used to evade prosecution for sex crimes.

Crimen Sollicitationis was written in 1962 in Latin and given to Catholic bishops worldwide who are ordered to keep it locked away in the church safe.

It instructs them how to deal with priests who solicit sex from the confessional. It also deals with "any obscene external act ... with youths of either sex."

It imposes an oath of secrecy on the child victim, the priest dealing with the allegation and any witnesses.

Breaking that oath means excommunication from the Catholic Church.

Reporting for Panorama, Colm O'Gorman finds seven priests with child abuse allegations made against them living in and around the Vatican City.

One of the priests, Father Joseph Henn, has been indicted on 13 molestation charges brought by a grand jury in the United States.

During filming for Sex Crimes and the Vatican, Colm finds Father Henn is fighting extradition orders from inside the headquarters of this religious order in the Vatican.

The Vatican has not compelled him to return to America to face the charges against him.

After filming, Father Henn lost his fight against extradition but fled the headquarters and is believed to be hiding in Italy while there is an international warrant for his arrest.

Colm O'Gorman was raped by a Catholic priest in the diocese of Ferns in County Wexford in Ireland when he was 14 years old.

Father Fortune was charged with 66 counts of sexual, indecent assault and another serious sexual offence relating to eight boys but he committed suicide on the eve of his trial.

Colm started an investigation with the BBC in March 2002 which led to the resignation of Dr Brendan Comiskey, the bishop leading the Ferns Diocese.

Colm then pushed for a government inquiry which led to the Ferns Report.

It was published in October 2005 and found: "A culture of secrecy and fear of scandal that led bishops to place the interests of the Catholic Church ahead of the safety of children."

The Catholic Church has 50 million children in its worldwide congregation and no universal child protection policy although in the UK there is the Catholic Office for the Protection of Children & Vulnerable Adults.

In some countries this means that the Crimen Sollicitationis is the only policy followed.

The Vatican has refused repeated requests from Panorama to respond to any of the cases shown in the film.
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JoJoJams
 
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Reply Wed 10 Oct, 2007 09:15 pm
@mousy,
Lol-- Dude (dudette? ~ hard to tell with the burqa) you're repeating yourself.

And you, as the ignorant Muslim (redundancy of words there) that you are, fail to grasp that the pope and the catholic church are not Christianity or America.

Personally, I believe they err in demanding celibacy. Priests should be allowed to marry and have families.

Other than posting rhetoric and articles having nothing to do with the point of the thread, you don't have much to say now, do you??
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:09 am
@JoJoJams,
JoJoJams;41109 wrote:
Lol-- Dude (dudette? ~ hard to tell with the burqa) you're repeating yourself.

And you, as the ignorant Muslim (redundancy of words there) that you are, fail to grasp that the pope and the catholic church are not Christianity or America.

Personally, I believe they err in demanding celibacy. Priests should be allowed to marry and have families.

Other than posting rhetoric and articles having nothing to do with the point of the thread, you don't have much to say now, do you??


Is this what your bible teaches you!!? to insult!!?

Aren't children considered minorities too!!

Aren't those sex crimes against children by the preists make people (especially minorities) question the christian faith and turn away from it !!?

Do you want me to post here the sex crimes by Rabbis against children!!?

Finally, Have you tried to watch the Film before you post your nonsense reply!!?
JoJoJams
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 09:16 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
My bible teaches me to speak Truth to tyranny. And there's an old American saying:: "If the Truth hurts....Tough sh1T". Grow up - take it - and mayhap ya kin learn something.....

<quote>Aren't those sex crimes against children by the preists make people (especially minorities) question the christian faith and turn away from it !!?</quote>

Well, since all of us humans have children, I'm not sure what you mean with your racist assumptions that (especially minorities) would turn from the Christian faith. One would more logically assume that if it were endemic to the faith, EVERYONE, regardless of your racist "race" crap, would flee it for the safety of their children. Most humans are more intelligent then you seem to give credit to, with your bigotted presuppositions. <<Bet you $10 your of Arab descent **smirk**>>

<quote>Do you want me to post here the sex crimes by Rabbis against children!!?</quote>

Puhhleease!!! Do you want me to talk about Aisha, the pre-pubescent 9 year old child-bride (married at 6, marriage consummated when she was 9) to your prophet?!?! As well as quranic passages that suggest that some of those "virgins" awaiting martyrs in paradise, may be little boys for the "believer"?!?! I could show you as many articles about your own culture/society. Allegedly, since you all so extremely, strictly separate men and woman, there is a large percentage of man on boy sex over there - to relieve those "tensions" in life, when one of your 4 allowed wives aren't available to do their allah proclaimed duty to pleasure you.

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You keep spouting stuff about the catholic church, Slick.... Since I'm not catholic, and neither are a large chunk of the rest of the west, or Christianity, we're kind of at a loss of how you're too ignorant to see that....Much like, I guess, how the west can't see the majority of muslims are sunni, not shiite.

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Segueing back towards the original intent of the start of this thread, it's apparent that you cannot fathom/comprehend/understand that your vast array of posts against the catholic church, have nothing to do with christianity or the "west", and it's treatment of minorities. Since you seem primitively incapable of separating church and state, you can never comprehend that higher, and more nuanced, mode of thought.

I'll pray for your heart and soul, Ishmael. You definitely need it.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 06:05 am
@JoJoJams,
JoJoJams;41230 wrote:
My bible teaches me to speak Truth to tyranny. And there's an old American saying:: "If the Truth hurts....Tough sh1T". Grow up - take it - and mayhap ya kin learn something.....

<quote>Aren't those sex crimes against children by the preists make people (especially minorities) question the christian faith and turn away from it !!?</quote>

Well, since all of us humans have children, I'm not sure what you mean with your racist assumptions that (especially minorities) would turn from the Christian faith. One would more logically assume that if it were endemic to the faith, EVERYONE, regardless of your racist "race" crap, would flee it for the safety of their children. Most humans are more intelligent then you seem to give credit to, with your bigotted presuppositions. <<Bet you $10 your of Arab descent **smirk**>>

<quote>Do you want me to post here the sex crimes by Rabbis against children!!?</quote>

Puhhleease!!! Do you want me to talk about Aisha, the pre-pubescent 9 year old child-bride (married at 6, marriage consummated when she was 9) to your prophet?!?! As well as quranic passages that suggest that some of those "virgins" awaiting martyrs in paradise, may be little boys for the "believer"?!?! I could show you as many articles about your own culture/society. Allegedly, since you all so extremely, strictly separate men and woman, there is a large percentage of man on boy sex over there - to relieve those "tensions" in life, when one of your 4 allowed wives aren't available to do their allah proclaimed duty to pleasure you.

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You keep spouting stuff about the catholic church, Slick.... Since I'm not catholic, and neither are a large chunk of the rest of the west, or Christianity, we're kind of at a loss of how you're too ignorant to see that....Much like, I guess, how the west can't see the majority of muslims are sunni, not shiite.

----

Segueing back towards the original intent of the start of this thread, it's apparent that you cannot fathom/comprehend/understand that your vast array of posts against the catholic church, have nothing to do with christianity or the "west", and it's treatment of minorities. Since you seem primitively incapable of separating church and state, you can never comprehend that higher, and more nuanced, mode of thought.

I'll pray for your heart and soul, Ishmael. You definitely need it.


It seems that you are the one who forgets that this Forum is to discuss RELIGION ISSUES not secular states. The Catholic Church followers constitute the fast majority of christian world.

Can you tell me what is your religion/sect ?
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RedOct
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 10:09 am
@mousy,
Red, I've written this before that anti-Semitism in France and Russia isn't so much due to Muslims, but rather due to the fact that the French and Russians see Jews running the US and pushing them downward.
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 08:00 pm
@JoJoJams,
JoJoJams;41230 wrote:
My bible teaches me to speak Truth to tyranny. And there's an old American saying:: "If the Truth hurts....Tough sh1T". Grow up - take it - and mayhap ya kin learn something.....

<quote>Aren't those sex crimes against children by the preists make people (especially minorities) question the christian faith and turn away from it !!?</quote>

Well, since all of us humans have children, I'm not sure what you mean with your racist assumptions that (especially minorities) would turn from the Christian faith. One would more logically assume that if it were endemic to the faith, EVERYONE, regardless of your racist "race" crap, would flee it for the safety of their children. Most humans are more intelligent then you seem to give credit to, with your bigotted presuppositions. <<Bet you $10 your of Arab descent **smirk**>>

<quote>Do you want me to post here the sex crimes by Rabbis against children!!?</quote>

Puhhleease!!! Do you want me to talk about Aisha, the pre-pubescent 9 year old child-bride (married at 6, marriage consummated when she was 9) to your prophet?!?! As well as quranic passages that suggest that some of those "virgins" awaiting martyrs in paradise, may be little boys for the "believer"?!?! I could show you as many articles about your own culture/society. Allegedly, since you all so extremely, strictly separate men and woman, there is a large percentage of man on boy sex over there - to relieve those "tensions" in life, when one of your 4 allowed wives aren't available to do their allah proclaimed duty to pleasure you.

------------

You keep spouting stuff about the catholic church, Slick.... Since I'm not catholic, and neither are a large chunk of the rest of the west, or Christianity, we're kind of at a loss of how you're too ignorant to see that....Much like, I guess, how the west can't see the majority of muslims are sunni, not shiite.

----

Segueing back towards the original intent of the start of this thread, it's apparent that you cannot fathom/comprehend/understand that your vast array of posts against the catholic church, have nothing to do with christianity or the "west", and it's treatment of minorities. Since you seem primitively incapable of separating church and state, you can never comprehend that higher, and more nuanced, mode of thought.

I'll pray for your heart and soul, Ishmael. You definitely need it.


This is for you:

Even US Congressmen are becoming pedophiles and child molesters:


[SIZE="3"]Pedophile Congressman Mark Foley Resigns in Disgrace.[/SIZE]
Pedophile Congressman Mark Foley Resigns in Disgrace by Andy Martin
Brian764
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2007 06:10 am
@mousy,
mousy;33843 wrote:
What has Christanity done for minorities?


Hightest rate of racial discrimination, poverty, promiscuity, police brutality, diseases, depression and hopelessness, yet many american minorities claim to draw their spiritual guidance from Christanity..:beat:-and with negative results

If minorities, african americans/mexicans in particular was to embrace another religion is it possible the pre-Hell conditions they suffer would improve?
Could Islamic teachings or any other religion for that matter.. make their plight any worse?


The God of Isreal...Deaf, Dumb and Blind.


Jesus did not say that Christians as a whole will go through life without hardship....in fact He said they will suffer persecution. Our true reward will be when Jesus returns. What God has in store for us is beyond human understading.
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Adam Bing
 
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Reply Thu 25 Oct, 2007 11:31 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;33874 wrote:
As this is a Forum to debate RELIGION NOT POLITICS, then we have to do that and compare the religions on any issue using their sacred books.

[SIZE="2"]Islam on Racial Discrementation:[/SIZE]

"We (Allah) have sent you (Muhammad) as a mercy for all nations" [Quran 21:107]


In Islam, the best is the pious. So, there is no difference between the black, white, the Arab, the non-Arab except by the level of piety.

In the Noble Quran, AllahThe Prophet[SIZE="2"]Christianity Racism: [/SIZE]

Biblical (Christian) Jesus called the non-jews DOGS !!

Biblical Jesus said: "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." [Matthew 15:26]



And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, "Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed." [Matthew 15:22]

But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us." [Matthew 15:23]

But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." [Matthew 15:24]

But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, "Lord, help me!" [Matthew 15:25]

And He answered and said, "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." [Matthew 15:26]

But she said, "Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters' table." [Matthew 15:27]

Then after this Canaanite woman agreed to be humilated and to be described as a DOG as an act of faith!, the biblical Jesus agreed to heal her:

Then Jesus said to her, "O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish." And her daughter was healed at once. [Matthew 15:28].


[SIZE="2"]TALMUD Racism:[/SIZE]

1- "The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-Jew." Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30

2- "A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal." Coschen hamischpat 405

3- "The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs." Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b

4- "Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human." Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b

5-"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog." Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b



[SIZE="2"]SLAVERY in The Bible:[/SIZE]


Most Bible translations use the English word "servant" to translate the Hebrew or Greek words which really meant "slave."

Noah institutes slavery (Gen 9:25-26).

Abraham had slaves (Gen 17:12, 23).

Isaac gives Jacob his brothers as slaves (Gen 27:37, 40).

God frees the Israelites from slavery, but they themselves owned slaves (Ex 12:44).

General rules for slavery, e.g. a Hebrew may be kept enslaved by another Hebrew for only six years: Lev 19:20, 25:44-54, Ex 21:2-11, Deut 15:12ff.

Jeremiah condemns Israel for not releasing their Israelite slaves after six years (as commanded at Ex 21:2), but does not condemn slavery in general (Jer 34:13-18).

There is no punishment for killing your own slave by beating if the slave does not die immediately (Ex 21:20-21).

But if the beating causes loss of an eye or a tooth, the slave is freed (v 26-27).

Thus, the equivalent value of freedom is one tooth.
Damages to the owner for killing his slave is 30 shekels of silver (Ex 21:32).

A freed slave who will not abandon his slave wife and children shall have his ear pierced and remain a slave for life (Ex 21:4-6, cf. Deut 15:16-17).

God will use slavery as a punishment (Deut 28:32, 41, 68, Judg 2:14, Joel 3:8).

God commands the people to enslave themselves to Nebuchadnezzar, his "servant" (Jer 27:2-13).

God will enslave the children of the enemies of Judah (Joel 3:8, also Isa 14:2).

Slavery is better than death (Jer 27:13).

Slaves are to obey their masters, especially if the masters are Christians (1 Tim 6:1-2, Tit 2:9-10, Eph 6:5, Col 3:22).

Slaves should accept their state (1 Cor 7:21-24, 1 Pet 2:18).



[SIZE="2"]Freedom of Religion in ISLAM: [/SIZE]

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)"

"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3)"

"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)"

"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe! (The Noble Quran, 10:99)"

"Say: 'Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (The Noble Quran, 24:54)"

"Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)"



[SIZE="2"]Freedom of Religion in the BIBLE:[/SIZE]

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

Leviticus 20:27 "And as for a man or woman in whom there proves to be a mediumistic spirit or spirit of prediction, they should be put to death without fail. They should pelt them to death with stones. Their own blood is upon them."

Christians must obey the laws of the OT as Jesus said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"


Yet today, while a Muslim can open a mosque in the UK or the reviled USA and freely practice his religion there, a christian cannot open a church in Saudi for example or even in the relatively liberal gulf states and nor can he/she lead his /her life the way they did back in their home country. The reciprocity is not there and therein is the problem with the Islamic world today, irrespective of what the Koran says or does not say.
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Tulip cv
 
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Reply Thu 25 Oct, 2007 11:51 am
@mousy,
Muslims are really good at studying the Koran.
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Reply Thu 25 Oct, 2007 08:11 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;41358 wrote:
This is for you:

Even US Congressmen are becoming pedophiles and child molesters:


[SIZE="3"]Pedophile Congressman Mark Foley Resigns in Disgrace.[/SIZE]
Pedophile Congressman Mark Foley Resigns in Disgrace by Andy Martin

Yesterday Foley resigned from the House in a sordid sex scandal. Foley’s behavior, and the behavior of the U. S. House Republican leadership, was so outrageous it is virtually unspeakable. The House Republican leadership should join Foley and resign. In disgrace.

Republican leaders have known since last year of Foley’s predatory sexuality involving teenagers who work for the Congress. We don’t know yet if any of his unsolicited importunations reached fruition in sexual conquests, but I would not be surprised if they did. I am sure more victims will be surfacing in the days ahead. That is generally the way these sex scandals play out. Foley is page 1 news. The salacious e-mails will keep the controversy going on cable TV. And lawsuits against Foley are virtually a given.

Foley was never very popular with gay activists in Florida because he denied being gay and resolutely remained in the closet. Foley, moreover, tried to shield himself from intimations of homosexuality by sponsoring “child protection” legislation and encouraging other "anti-pornography" crusades that would play well with the Republican base. Some of these laws needed to be passed; but Foley's spearheading of the effort was clearly an effort to immunize him from media gossip mills.

Unlike former New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevy, who took an adult lover, Israeli spy Golan Cipel, Foley was focusing at least some of his sexual activity on children. The e-mail and instant messages already made public clearly reflect that he was the aggressor, predator, what-have-you who was trying to lure children into some form of sexual encounter.

Just a very cursory perusal of the internet in the hours after Foley’s defenestration reflects that other U. S. Senators, Representatives and Republican leaders are now being challenged as closeted homosexuals.


Mr.Sword, some of the worse pedophiles I know live in Saudi Arabia & The Emirates. They are muslims. The things they pay for to quench their lusts make even a liberal like me balk.

They however can live out their sickness without the worry of an open society like here in America exposing them.

Yes, there are lots of problems in America. Yes, we have bad people. Yes, we can be overbearing and have erred in invading Iraq. But we are also open to be questioned and people here cannot get away as easily as they do in societies that profess your faith.

So, do debate religion. But you are on shaky grounds if you go after American society. Because the social setting in Saudi is one of the sickest I have personally experienced. Not because they are religious. But because they are hypocrites.

I was in Beruit once for a conference. It was wonderful. I was surrounded by intelligent people from all over the middle east and no one can be more engaging than intelligent arabs. Sitting in the corner however away fro the rest of us, were the Custodians of your holy places. Scotch in hand and prostitutes and a very young boy in tow.

So very careful Mr.Sword, when you go after Mr.Foley. He is all that is wrong with our system. he however, is a true innocent compared with some of the sexual stuff going on in the Middle East amongs practicing Muslims (prayer 7 times, the Haj, the works) and by the way, America has nothing to do with Muslim sexual misbehaviour.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Thu 25 Oct, 2007 10:18 pm
@Adam Bing,
Adam Bing;43205 wrote:
Mr.Sword, some of the worse pedophiles I know live in Saudi Arabia & The Emirates. They are muslims. The things they pay for to quench their lusts make even a liberal like me balk.

They however can live out their sickness without the worry of an open society like here in America exposing them.

Yes, there are lots of problems in America. Yes, we have bad people. Yes, we can be overbearing and have erred in invading Iraq. But we are also open to be questioned and people here cannot get away as easily as they do in societies that profess your faith.

So, do debate religion. But you are on shaky grounds if you go after American society. Because the social setting in Saudi is one of the sickest I have personally experienced. Not because they are religious. But because they are hypocrites.

I was in Beruit once for a conference. It was wonderful. I was surrounded by intelligent people from all over the middle east and no one can be more engaging than intelligent arabs. Sitting in the corner however away fro the rest of us, were the Custodians of your holy places. Scotch in hand and prostitutes and a very young boy in tow.

So very careful Mr.Sword, when you go after Mr.Foley. He is all that is wrong with our system. he however, is a true innocent compared with some of the sexual stuff going on in the Middle East amongs practicing Muslims (prayer 7 times, the Haj, the works) and by the way, America has nothing to do with Muslim sexual misbehaviour.



Here I posted my reply to your classical Jewish story!
click here http://www.conflictingviews.com/t2398/#post43222

It seems you are losing your temper and concentration. Calm down and show some maturity in what you write. Otherwise, I will be forced to ignore your posts.
Adam Bing
 
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Reply Thu 25 Oct, 2007 11:22 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;43226 wrote:
Here I posted my reply to your classical Jewish story!
click here http://www.conflictingviews.com/t2398/#post43222

It seems you are losing your temper and concentration. Calm down and show some maturity in what you write. Otherwise, I will be forced to ignore your posts.


I would definitely not like you to ignore my posts as I genuinely enjoy yours.

My irritation did come across. It was because I found it unfair for you to point a finger at American morals given all that you & I both know happens in the Muslim world of today when it comes to sexual misbehaviour. If bad sexual morals in America are an indication of Christianity's corruption than the same logic needs to apply to the happenings in the Islamic world and Islam blamed. That was my point. But I see you choose to disassociate your self from those countries while keeping your association with your religion. Ok. Accepted.

Now regarding your comment on "my classical Jewish story". I don't understand what you mean. Please amplify.
Regards
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Tulip cv
 
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Reply Fri 26 Oct, 2007 09:49 am
@mousy,
The level of those in the Middle-Eastern countries is below the intellect of a family dog...
Brian764
 
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Reply Fri 26 Oct, 2007 05:01 pm
@Tulip cv,
Tulip;43258 wrote:
The level of those in the Middle-Eastern countries is below the intellect of a family dog...


When ever we dehumanize other people, we are doing it to ourselves as well.
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