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Plame lawsuit dismissed

 
 
oleo
 
Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 02:42 pm
here

What an insult to undercover operatives who risk their lives, and anyone else
who dares fight to tell the truth in the face of a concentrated campaign to
deceive the American people.

"She wasn't undercover at that moment..." Well, let's hope the next one isn't
either, because Presidential administrations now have an arsenal of precedents
to use to silence people who speak up. If some of you Reps are cheering this,
I have one thing to show you:

http://www.rickroot.com/blog/1/custom/images/2007/04/hillary_crazy.jpg

She'll be able to pull all of these same tricks.

I guess Rova and Cheney really did think they'd have a "permanent Republican
majority."

What a**holes.

About the judge:

John D. Bates was appointed United States District Judge for the U.S.
District Court for the District of Columbia in December 2001. He
graduated from Wesleyan University in 1968 and received a J.D. from
the University of Maryland School of Law in 1976. From 1968 to 1971,
he served in the United States Army, including a tour in Vietnam.
Judge Bates clerked for Judge Roszel C. Thomsen of the United States
District Court for the District of Maryland from 1976 to 1977 and was
an associate at Steptoe & Johnson from 1977 to 1980. He served as an
Assistant United States Attorney for the District of Columbia from 1980
to 1997, and was Chief of the Civil Division of the U.S. Attorney's
Office from 1987 to 1997. Judge Bates was on detail as Deputy
Independent Counsel for the Whitewater investigation from 1995 to
mid-1997. In 1998, he joined the Washington law firm of Miller &
Chevalier, where he was Chair of the Government Contracts/Litigation
Department and a member of the Executive Committee. Judge Bates
has served on the Advisory Committee for Procedures of the D.C.
Circuit and on the Civil Justice Reform Committee for the District
Court, and as Treasurer of the D.C. Bar, Chairman of the Publications
Committee of the D.C. Bar, and Chairman of the Litigation Section of
the Federal Bar Association. He was a member of the Board of
Directors of the Washington Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights and
Urban Affairs. In 2005, he was appointed by Chief Justice Rehnquist to
serve on the U.S. Judicial Conference Committee on Court
Administration and Case Management. In February 2006, he was
appointed by Chief Justice Roberts to serve as a judge of the United
States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. (Ed. Note - The
preceding paragraph was copied from his official biography.)

As a District Court Judge, Bates dismissed the GAO's effort to learn
with whom Cheney's energy task force conferred. On July 19, 2007, he
dismissed a lawsuit filed by Valerie Plame Wilson and her husband
against Vice President Dick Cheney and other top Bush administration
officials.

Judge Bates spent two years working for Kenneth Starr and the
Independent Counsel's office during the investigation into President Bill
Clinton, specifcially Deputy Independent Counsel under Ken Starr from
September 1995 until leaving in March 1997.

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there is no justice, just partisan patronage.

Oh, and last time the world checked, Joseph Wilson was right.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 02:43 pm
@oleo,
If she wasn't undercover, why again is it an insult to undercover agents everywhere?
92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 02:54 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;27103 wrote:
If she wasn't undercover, why again is it an insult to undercover agents everywhere?


Because the she would compromised on any future assignments. Just because she wan't in a covert status/mission doesn't mean that she wouldn't have been, or hadn't been. Same reason the blur out faces of say spec ops soldiers in some pictures, because in the future they are to be used for something that would require autonomy. Of course you simpletons don't think that far ahead.
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Pinochet73
 
  1  
Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 03:34 pm
@oleo,
She'll blew her cover herself, by marrying a deployable Foreign Service Officer. That's sort of like a police chief marrying a mob-boss. They don't fit, and can't do credible work in their respective fields.
92b16vx
 
  1  
Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 03:38 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;27125 wrote:
She'll blew her cover herself, by marrying a deployable Foreign Service Officer. That's sort of like a police chief marrying a mob-boss. They don't fit, and can't do credible work in their respective fields.


Nice assumption to suit your views, but do you have any proof, or just rhetoric to substantiate that this would have actually happened?

I know quite a few people that work far apart from their spouses. I know an E-8 in the Amry who's wife works in intel, and they see each other like once a year. Just because they are married doesn't mean they are sharing trade secrets, or information, believe it or not, some people are capable of professionalism.
Pinochet73
 
  1  
Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 04:03 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;27126 wrote:
Nice assumption to suit your views, but do you have any proof, or just rhetoric to substantiate that this would have actually happened?

I know quite a few people that work far apart from their spouses. I know an E-8 in the Amry who's wife works in intel, and they see each other like once a year. Just because they are married doesn't mean they are sharing trade secrets, or information, believe it or not, some people are capable of professionalism.


Dude, I was the BMOC at US Embassy, Asuncion, Paraguay, and saw this stuff at work. Hoss, lemme tell ya -- you can't operate overseas in any official capacity without having an invisible micro-probe inched up your hindquarters by the Host Nation. If you show up with a SPOUSE who works for the CIA on your dossier, or worse yet, with you in person, YOU AIN'T GET'N JACK DONE, PROFESSIONALLY SPEAKING. Host Nation intel will be all over your hyde, from the second you awake until you crash again at night. Even then, they'll be outside, digging through your trash, or stripping and bugging your car. :eek:

PS: Military is a little different. It doesn't have the same profile as US State Dpt or CIA. Trust me. Been daar, done dat old nasty thang and liked it, too.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 04:09 pm
@oleo,
oleo;27102 wrote:
here

What an insult to undercover operatives who risk their lives, and anyone else
who dares fight to tell the truth in the face of a concentrated campaign to
deceive the American people.

"She wasn't undercover at that moment..." Well, let's hope the next one isn't
either, because Presidential administrations now have an arsenal of precedents
to use to silence people who speak up. If some of you Reps are cheering this,
I have one thing to show you:

http://www.rickroot.com/blog/1/custom/images/2007/04/hillary_crazy.jpg

She'll be able to pull all of these same tricks.

I guess Rova and Cheney really did think they'd have a "permanent Republican
majority."

What a**holes.

About the judge:

John D. Bates was appointed United States District Judge for the U.S.
District Court for the District of Columbia in December 2001. He
graduated from Wesleyan University in 1968 and received a J.D. from
the University of Maryland School of Law in 1976. From 1968 to 1971,
he served in the United States Army, including a tour in Vietnam.
Judge Bates clerked for Judge Roszel C. Thomsen of the United States
District Court for the District of Maryland from 1976 to 1977 and was
an associate at Steptoe & Johnson from 1977 to 1980. He served as an
Assistant United States Attorney for the District of Columbia from 1980
to 1997, and was Chief of the Civil Division of the U.S. Attorney's
Office from 1987 to 1997. Judge Bates was on detail as Deputy
Independent Counsel for the Whitewater investigation from 1995 to
mid-1997. In 1998, he joined the Washington law firm of Miller &
Chevalier, where he was Chair of the Government Contracts/Litigation
Department and a member of the Executive Committee. Judge Bates
has served on the Advisory Committee for Procedures of the D.C.
Circuit and on the Civil Justice Reform Committee for the District
Court, and as Treasurer of the D.C. Bar, Chairman of the Publications
Committee of the D.C. Bar, and Chairman of the Litigation Section of
the Federal Bar Association. He was a member of the Board of
Directors of the Washington Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights and
Urban Affairs. In 2005, he was appointed by Chief Justice Rehnquist to
serve on the U.S. Judicial Conference Committee on Court
Administration and Case Management. In February 2006, he was
appointed by Chief Justice Roberts to serve as a judge of the United
States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. (Ed. Note - The
preceding paragraph was copied from his official biography.)

As a District Court Judge, Bates dismissed the GAO's effort to learn
with whom Cheney's energy task force conferred. On July 19, 2007, he
dismissed a lawsuit filed by Valerie Plame Wilson and her husband
against Vice President Dick Cheney and other top Bush administration
officials.

Judge Bates spent two years working for Kenneth Starr and the
Independent Counsel's office during the investigation into President Bill
Clinton, specifcially Deputy Independent Counsel under Ken Starr from
September 1995 until leaving in March 1997.

-----------------

there is no justice, just partisan patronage.

Oh, and last time the world checked, Joseph Wilson was right.



Wow. What a pic of The Beast, itself. I saved it. I want that thang.
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92b16vx
 
  1  
Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 04:10 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;27140 wrote:
Dude, I was the BMOC at US Embassy, Asuncion, Paraguay, and saw this stuff at work. Hoss, lemme tell ya -- you can't operate overseas in any official capacity without having an invisible micro-probe inched up your hindquarters by the Host Nation. If you show up with a SPOUSE who works for the CIA on your dossier, or worse yet, with you in person, YOU AIN'T GET'N JACK DONE, PROFESSIONALLY SPEAKING. Host Nation intel will be all over your hyde, from the second you awake until you crash again at night. Even then, they'll be outside, digging through your trash, or stripping and bugging your car. :eek:


Was his wifes covert status, or CIA position on his dossier? I know my security clearance isn't associated with my wife, even though she isn't a U.S. citizen it didn't effect my clearance. Probe they may, but if his wifes position was truely anything secretive, it wouldn't be displayed in an availible document.
oleo
 
  1  
Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 04:39 pm
@oleo,
What did it matter if his wife was chief pastry chef at Betty Crocker?

She recommended him when it came up, she didn't "give" him the job
because she wasn't in charge.

He gave them a report they didn't want, they ignored it, he thought it was
important enough to fight back with the facts, they went after him and threw
her in to "show him." Very Nixonesque (Cheney learned some tricks in his
time in that administration, I guess).

Oh, well. Plame is over as an undercover operative. Maybe she should run for
office.
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Pinochet73
 
  1  
Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 08:21 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;27143 wrote:
Was his wifes covert status, or CIA position on his dossier? I know my security clearance isn't associated with my wife, even though she isn't a U.S. citizen it didn't effect my clearance. Probe they may, but if his wifes position was truely anything secretive, it wouldn't be displayed in an availible document.


When a Foreign Service Officer is assigned to a US Embassy overseas, he becomes a member of the ambassador's 'war council', so to speak. The Host Nation knows that, and watches him or her like a hawk, eager to scrounge up compromising information it can use in its haggling with the ambassador, over the age-old issue of US aid (multi-facetted). In hostile countries the stakes would be a lot higher than that, obviously. Family members out playing secret agent would be made faster than greased lightening and thrown in the ambassador's face in protest in a heartbeat.
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Pinochet73
 
  1  
Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 08:25 pm
@oleo,
Imagine this: Wilson shows up at his overseas post with a smoking-hot-blonde-wife, who just happens to be an undercover CIA agent, after all.
Gimme a frig'n break. NO CHIT, CHERLOCK. Did he actually expect her to be able to keep her cover under such totally absurd circumstances?????Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

TALK ABOUT REALLY CHITTY OPSEC.
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92b16vx
 
  1  
Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 08:26 pm
@oleo,
I understand that, my point is that her identitfy as a CIA operative isn't exactly made public knowledge.
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