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Fri 22 Sep, 2006 06:59 pm
As we will surely be bombarded with new debate arising from Sir Bill O'Reilly's "Culture Warrior," the newest piece of right-wing demagoguery suggesting that those pressing for a "progressive" outlook are being supported by al Quaeda, let us remember:
(1) It was the Bush administration that, under cover of night, shuttled members of the bin Laden family out of the country right after 9-11.
(2) It was the RNC who paired the photograph of Georgia Senator Max Cleland, who lost three limbs in Vietnam, with Osama bin Laden, thereby insinuating that Cleland was in league with al Quaeda. In a culture that already has forgot to read, think, and spell, the stupidest trick was confused with reality. Weeks before the upcoming 2006 midterm elections, they're up to their same old tricks.
(3) My greatest fear? That the Bush bunch and their demonic mouthpieces are
setting us all up sooner or later for a monstrous kick in the teeth by the rest of the world or by some other foreign power -- which with the balance and shift of strength that the flow of history always brings, will someday be greater than ours. It happened with Rome, which thought it was invincible, and thought, "It'll never happen to us." But all things are impermanent, especially power foolishly squandered.
(4) This is what happens eventually when you turn the whole world against you. Shortly after 9-11 we had a brief window of time when by intelligent action, we could have turned world opinion against bin Laden and al Quaeda. Instead the nation (and the media) allowed Bush and Co. to drag us into a puffed-up Iraq war that has drained the life-blood from us a people and a nation. This war, like Vietnam, has split this country down the middle. Remember Bush, the "compassionate conservative," saying, "I wanna be a unifier?" At every turn, he has sought to divide the people of this country against each other. Makes them easier to control, no?
(5) America's military power may be mighty indeed, but there is no power on earth that is eternal, omnipotent, and completely invincible. And woe to him who thinks that he alone is the mouthpiece of God.
(4) We can fight fascism and terrorism without ourselves becoming fascists and terrorists. Who was the teenage Karl Rove's idol? Adolph Hitler.
(5) Long ago it was predicted that fascism would take hold in America not directly by guns and bombs, but through mind-numbing control by a media colluding with fascist-dictator types who hide behind the flag and masquerade as Defenders of Freedom. When right after snatching the White House Bush said, "If I were a dictator, my job would be easier." he wasn't joking, and he wasn't talking about somebody else.
(6) Now? Indeed, it's just our right-wing fanatics against theirs. But did it have to be that way? We might have dealt the "terrorists" a decisive blow if we had really poured it on in Afghanistan. But no, the neo-cons wanted the Iraqi oil. So they trumped up one flimsy pretext after another. And a public too scared, stressed out or tired to notice or do anything about it went along.
(7) When years ago by now they should have said, "Throw the bums out!" By summer's end in 2001, Bush in fact was on a downhill slide. But when 9-11 happened "mysteriously" he suddenly became a hero, and you could see the light come over his face. Why on earth, did he go on and continue reading that goat book to the kids after his aides told him what had happened?
(7) Oh I forgot. Of course, like a true American, he "didn't want to scare the children."
(8) Oh, I also forgot: Hasn't anybody even wondered why the price of gasoline at the pump has suddenly dropped by almost a third, weeks before the election? If we don't throw the bums out and try something new, watch what happens after the election to the price of gasoline.
@DecencyAdvocate,
Looks like we get to steal another election, LOL!
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;4925 wrote:Looks like we get to steal another election, LOL!
Maybe so, D, but if it happens I wouldn't be too proud about it if I were you. Glib, Glib, Glib. Trying to communicate about these things with self-satisfied ideologues is clearly a waste of time: In response to a thought one gets a smirk. I know these tricks but prefer not to indulge them. I could say, "Remember all this as you go down in flames along with the rest of us." Trouble is, you guys don't because you won't see it coming, and as it's been sneaking up all along draped in The Flag, you'll have no inkling of your own contribution to it. Bye.
@DecencyAdvocate,
DecencyAdvocate;4928 wrote: Trying to communicate about these things with self-satisfied ideologues is clearly a waste of time: In response to a thought one gets a smirk. I know these tricks but prefer not to indulge them. I could say, "Remember all this as you go down in flames along with the rest of us." Trouble is, you guys don't because you won't see it coming, and as it's been sneaking up all along draped in The Flag, you'll have no inkling of your own contribution to it. Bye.
Quote:Maybe so, D, but if it happens I wouldn't be too proud about it if I were you. Glib, Glib, Glib.
Why not, that would be(If it happens)the third time we beat you fair and square but you guys already have yourself convinced we stole it again!
Quote:Trying to communicate about these things with self-satisfied ideologues is clearly a waste of time:
So you don't think your original post was filled with "self-satisfied ideologues" And if it's not is it still a waist of time?
Quote:In response to a thought one gets a smirk. I know these tricks but prefer not to indulge them.
I think your indulging to a few tricks of your own.
Quote:I could say, "Remember all this as you go down in flames along with the rest of us."
Yeah, at least we will go down fighting. What will you be doing but watching?
Quote:Trouble is, you guys don't because you won't see it coming, and as it's been sneaking up all along draped in The Flag, you'll have no inkling of your own contribution to it. Bye.
Won't see it coming, i thought we caused it? I take pride in my inkling thank you. Sorry is the man who gets in our way. Come hell or high water. LOL.
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;4931 wrote:Why not, that would be(If it happens)the third time we beat you fair and square but you guys already have yourself convinced we stole it again!
So you don't think your original post was filled with "self-satisfied ideologues" And if it's not is it still a waist of time?
I think your indulging to a few tricks of your own.
Yeah, at least we will go down fighting. What will you be doing but watching?
Won't see it coming, i thought we caused it? I take pride in my inkling thank you. Sorry is the man who gets in our way. Come hell or high water. LOL.
OK, D, there's nothing more to say here if that's all you care about and what you think the point of all this is --"going down fighting" and continuing your delusion of "winning fair and square" --as if that's actually what's been happening.
I recommend some some work on logic, spelling, grammar, ethics, history, meditation. But may you never find yourself caught in a real war -- even though nothing less might make a dent in your apparent fantasies.
People fill their heads up with all sorts of crap, but when it comes down to it, "the body shrinks from annihilation."
Exeunt. Write again maybe in about ten years, if you haven't "gone down fighting."
@DecencyAdvocate,
DecencyAdvocate;4943 wrote:OK, D, there's nothing more to say here if that's all you care about and what you think the point of all this is --"going down fighting" and continuing your delusion of "winning fair and square" --as if that's actually what's been happening.
I recommend some some work on logic, spelling, grammar, ethics, history, meditation. But may you never find yourself caught in a real war -- even though nothing less might make a dent in your apparent fantasies.
People fill their heads up with all sorts of crap, but when it comes down to it, "the body shrinks from annihilation."
Exeunt. Write again maybe in about ten years, if you haven't "gone down fighting."
Quote:OK, D, there's nothing more to say here
Can i hold you to that?
Quote:if that's all you care about and what you think the point of all this is --"going down fighting" and continuing your delusion of "winning fair and square" --as if that's actually what's been happening.
The difference between me and you is that i'm willing to fight for what i believe. You would put that burden on someone you do not know sooner then seek the burden yourself. Extreme muslims are trying to kill me and my way of life, I've heard them on there own TV claim this as so. So if you see something strange going on any where in the USA you would not try and intercede? Would you look the other way? What if you see a women being raped in a back street ally, you keep walkin? What if that rapist is now in your bedroom, i bet about this time your willing to do something about it?
Quote:I recommend some some work on logic, spelling, grammar, ethics, history, meditation.
I suggest you do the same. Or are you an intellect as well?
Quote:But may you never find yourself caught in a real war -- even though nothing less might make a dent in your apparent fantasies.
Why do you assume it's a fantacy when you all ready have yourself convinced this will be our perpertration on the world? My advice would be to prepare being as you already think the same eventual out come. The difference will be me in it and you watching.
Quote:People fill their heads up with all sorts of crap, but when it comes down to it, "the body shrinks from annihilation."
Where did you get yours filled up? "the body shrinks from annihilation."? Yes i agree you have already made that decision.
Quote:Exeunt. Write again maybe in about ten years, if you haven't "gone down fighting
Havent you seen my post count, i don't think i'm going anywhere. But if you feel you can not handle this difference of opinion maybe it is not I that should be the one to go?