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@markx15,

That is probably one of the dumbest things I have heard in a long time.

@markx15,

I guess if one knows how to fish, You may be fishing for more then just one. I've feed an entire family with just one rod.

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@z0z0,

z0z0;10320 wrote:

That is probably one of the dumbest things I have heard in a long time.

Stupid is as stupid does. What were you saying!

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@z0z0,

Drnaline - there is a reason I rarely respond to your posts.

Were you being critical of my comment or the comment made by markx15?

If you guys are being critical of the philosophy of teaching people how to earn a living and survive without the need for handouts (teach them how to fish) because someone might steal what they have made then you are absurdly pessimistic and there is no point in doing anything to raise the global standard of living because there will always be thieves - just look at the US Military-Industrial-Media Complex.

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@markx15,

How do you fish in a desert?

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@markx15,

I never said you shouldn't teach people the mean to sustains themselves, I'm saying that it is not enough. We posses an entire civilization based on an ideology of profit, we have to change that or else we won't be able to solve anything else.

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@z0z0,

What is wrong with profit? Capitalism and profit are the best ways of allocating resources efficiently.

We saw in the former Soviet Union that a centrally planned (profitless) economy was not viable.

We will never live in an 'ideal' world - make the best of what you got.

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@markx15,

There is nothing wrong with profit, but to hold it as a superior need to everything else is inhumane, how is paper worth more than human lives?

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We will never live in an 'ideal' world

That is exactly why, no faith. You make the best of what you have when there is truely no alternative, but there is one, we just have to find a way to reach an understanding.

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@z0z0,

Socialism / Communism (which is the most idealistic social structure) failed because humans are and always will be flawed and selfish beings.

We can hope for something better but it will probably be many many millennia before we even have a chance of evolving to some higher level.

If we want to work in frustration towards some idealistic goal I feel that will cause more problems than doing the best we can in the reality we have.

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@markx15,

Yes you have to do your best with the reality imposed on you, but you must also keep in mind that your own reality is only partialy afected by outside happenings, you need to make the necessary changes on a personal level before you start looking for them outside.

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humans are and always will be flawed and selfish beings.

I am of a diferent opinion, yes we are flawed selfish indiferent beings, but we do have the potential to change, and the time to make those changes.

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@z0z0,

Those are idealistic platitudes.

What is the viable solution?

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@z0z0,

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you have to do your best with the reality imposed on you, but you must also keep in mind that your own reality is only partialy afected by outside happenings, you need to make the necessary changes on a personal level before you start looking for them outside.

zee mark

You GOT it! We are all making choices as a result of where we come from and what we are taughts, and genetics. So in order to make a difference in a culture we have to begin with the fundemental understanding of that culture. A perfect example is when humanitarian aid goes to countries and then we find out that it has landed in the hands of corrupt politicans. This is a situation in which we need to look at the reality imposed on these people, the tribal and cultural values, and then seek a deep, long, lasting way to bring about a different prosperious future. Sometimes it just starts with an idea.

I find that pouring money into a region, while it is generous, is not really getting to the lasting methods of change. If people can feel proud of being responsible for a change, then they will make enormous efforts to protect and nuture the change for the future. The future will be bright and full of hope, and they can feel competent for being responsible for the change.

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@z0z0,

z0z0;10325 wrote:

Drnaline - there is a reason I rarely respond to your posts.

Were you being critical of my comment or the comment made by markx15?

If you guys are being critical of the philosophy of teaching people how to earn a living and survive without the need for handouts (teach them how to fish) because someone might steal what they have made then you are absurdly pessimistic and there is no point in doing anything to raise the global standard of living because there will always be thieves - just look at the US Military-Industrial-Media Complex.

As i have said before, i'll make my comment whether you respond or not.

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Were you being critical of my comment or the comment made by markx15?

I was in favor of your comment and found Marks a little of the wall.
I am being critical of your assesment of his comment. And how would i of guessed it would be the US that was to blame "just look at the US Military-Industrial-Media Complex."

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@Dmizer,

Dmizer;10333 wrote:

How do you fish in a desert?

I've lived in a desert all my life, there are plenty of places to fish.

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@z0z0,

If you understand the dynamic of the US Military-Industrial-Media complex then you would understand what I was saying in relation to GREED.

The hundreds of billions spent on military issues could be spent on other more worthwhile societal issues.

You seem like a CONTRARIAN reactionary to anyone that is critical of any US policy.

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@z0z0,

z0z0;10409 wrote:

If you understand the dynamic of the US Military-Industrial-Media complex then you would understand what I was saying in relation to GREED.

The hundreds of billions spent on military issues could be spent on other more worthwhile societal issues.

You seem like a CONTRARIAN reactionary to anyone that is critical of any US policy.

OUr definition of "more worthwhile societal issues" is not up to you, your not American. Screw up your own country. By some opinions lately i think you may of succeeded and would now like to start on ours.

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@markx15,

Mark, google Micro Credit. Some great things are being done with this program, in fact it's been so successful they have stopped taking donations in some cases because of lack of people on the ground in Africa and other countries to monitor the programs.

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@z0z0,

I just read that the US gov lost 363 TONNES of cash in Iraq.
They just do not know where it is.

Well they did not lose it - they distributed it but they did not keep track of who it went to.

$12 BILLION in shrink wrapped $100 bills on pallets.

I guess that is one way of solving poverty.

There are about 23 Million Iraqis so each man woman and child could have gotten $521.

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@markx15,

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Mark, google Micro Credit

I have his book. I recomend it : The Poor Always Pay Back

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@z0z0,

z0z0;10603 wrote:

I just read that the US gov lost 363 TONNES of cash in Iraq.
They just do not know where it is.

Well they did not lose it - they distributed it but they did not keep track of who it went to.

$12 BILLION in shrink wrapped $100 bills on pallets.

I guess that is one way of solving poverty.

There are about 23 Million Iraqis so each man woman and child could have gotten $521.

I hope we hand insurance.

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