Are People Going Crazy

@markx15,

I agree with alot of what he said. Are you kidding yourself thinking that this isn't WWIII?

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NATO to "clear out any Taliban forces" in Waziristan if Pakistan fails to do so;

Washington to "take whatever steps are necessary" to force Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia to stop the flow of weapons, money and people into Iraq;

To help "organise every dissident group in Iran" with the goal of replacing the regime, failing which, "we certainly have to be prepared to use military force...;"

"End" the North Korean regime if it ships nuclear weapons or material anywhere;

Those are things that need to happen. It's time to show the world we aren't screwing around any longer with this terrorist harboring nations.

The longer the world and United States procrasinates the more people that will lose their lives, including our soldiers.
Just my .02.

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@markx15,

If this situation does not become WWIII , it will be because Bush went to Iraq , Afghanistan , and possibly soon , Iran ; to fight the enemy outside our borders . The effort to stop the Taliban and Hussein was only the beginning of pre-emptive actions to stem the decline of the Middle east into an alliance that would threaten democracy worldwide .
These thing Gingrich says are things that must be done .

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@markx15,

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What did they put in his water?

Nothing worse then you've been drinking.

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@markx15,

Glenn beck makes excelent points on this subject.

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@markx15,

Hah, his solutions are all played out. Regime change in Iran? Definetely not gonna happen now that the population sees their neighbors to the west and east being invaded.

The Iranian people are much more unified than Iraq, even with an oppressive government they see that what the USA represents, the destruction of their country.

People find it amazing why Iran is pursuing a nuclear program. If my enemy said to the world I'm in the axis of evil that means it's time to get some real defense, nothing better than MAD.

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@markx15,

I don't think they will like there country converted to a very large piece of glass. But who knows, they are definitely crazy enough.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;5278 wrote:

I don't think they will like there country converted to a very large piece of glass. But who knows, they are definitely crazy enough.

We'll see but your type of radical gun slinging thinking scares me because it's not as simple as wiping out a country but an actual WWIII scenario could start.

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@fluidambient,

fluidambient;5297 wrote:

We'll see but your type of radical gun slinging thinking scares me because it's not as simple as wiping out a country but an actual WWIII scenario could start.

and your type scares me. You don't offer any viable solutions you just attack everyone elses attempts at a solution

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@markx15,

Yah when somebody's attempt at a solution is to wipe out thousands upon thousands of people I have a problem with that. I might be a United States citizen but I'm also a HUMAN first.

Iran is doing what it needs to defend itself, whether you like it or not, they're doing that. I'm sure they are very aware of what US would like to do, I'm sure there's plenty of Russian and Chinese diplomats talking daily with Iranian diplomats on the situation. Iran isn't going to be a lone state doing something US doesn't like without some support. Sure Russia and China are saying "stop the enrichment" on the front right now but I have a feeling there's more to the story that the public will not hear for a while.

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@fluidambient,

fluidambient;5305 wrote:

Yah when somebody's attempt at a solution is to wipe out thousands upon thousands of people I have a problem with that. I might be a United States citizen but I'm also a HUMAN first.

Then provide another solution to stop them. Until then military options are still on the table. Diplomacy fails time and time again. Enough is enough.

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Iran is doing what it needs to defend itself, whether you like it or not, they're doing that.

I don't like it. Neither does the United Nations security council. Who are they defending themselves from again? The US will have no grounds to attack if they halt their weapons program. They are not building these to defend themselves. They are doing it to spite America and the world.

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I'm sure they are very aware of what US would like to do, I'm sure there's plenty of Russian and Chinese diplomats talking daily with Iranian diplomats on the situation.

The US would like them to disarm. That is what they would like them to do.

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Iran isn't going to be a lone state doing something US doesn't like without some support. Sure Russia and China are saying "stop the enrichment" on the front right now but I have a feeling there's more to the story that the public will not hear for a while.

Iran having Nuclear weapons is unacceptable. Period. The US has went to the security council to put pressure on them to stop and the UN has dropped the ball yet again. The US only went this far due to Iran's defiance.

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@markx15,

I don't think they should stop, they see the **** going down. Iraq a country claimed to have WMDs which didn't was attacked, Afghanistan is attacked. US will do what it wants, may as well be prepared for it.

The U.N. is reduced to a puppet because of the United States, why would Iran follow any mandate given by them?

Sure, U.S. would like Iran to disarm, hell if they had it their way, they'd like everyone to disarm, bend over, and let U.S. do what it does best.

Don't forget U.S. was the only country to ever use a nuclear weapon against another country, twice. Who's the real country lacking restraint?

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@fluidambient,

fluidambient;5311 wrote:

I don't think they should stop, they see the **** going down. Iraq a country claimed to have WMDs which didn't was attacked, Afghanistan is attacked. US will do what it wants, may as well be prepared for it.

Well then what lessons can we learn from that?

1) Turn over Bin Laden when you have him
2) Don't harbor the terrorists that killed 3,000 of our citizens
3) Don't spit in the face of the UN and US for 11 straight years
4) Don't claim to have something you don't
5) Don't gas your own people and give us even more reason to think you're a insane dictator.

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The U.N. is reduced to a puppet because of the United States, why would Iran follow any mandate given by them?

What is the purpose of the UN then if it is not to do exactly what the US is seeking? To stop Iran from producing Nuclear Weapons. There were no threats to Iran before it was revealed that they were attempting to enrich uranium.

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Sure, U.S. would like Iran to disarm, hell if they had it their way, they'd like everyone to disarm, bend over, and let U.S. do what it does best.

Sure we'd like the entire world to disarm. It's not going to happen though. What can happen is stop other rogue countries from obtaining these weapons. What it does best is step up to the plate when everyone else cowers.

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Don't forget U.S. was the only country to ever use a nuclear weapon against another country, twice. Who's the real country lacking restraint?

Japan for firing the first shot

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@markx15,

No threats to Iran before it? What about Bush's whole axis of evil speech? I remember hearing that well before all this nuclear weapons mumbo jumbo.

So what's your definition of a rogue country? Was India and Pakistan rogue countries when they developed their nuclear arms? How about Israel? Hmm...

"Japan for firing the first shot" might be a valid enough reason for the first bomb, what about the second? No restraint whatsoever for the United States. =)

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@fluidambient,

fluidambient;5314 wrote:

No threats to Iran before it? What about Bush's whole axis of evil speech? I remember hearing that well before all this nuclear weapons mumbo jumbo.

Wikipedia wrote:

On August 14, 2002, Alireza Jafarzadeh, a prominent Iranian dissident, revealed the existence of two unknown nuclear sites: a uranium enrichment facility in Natanz (part of which is underground), and a heavy water facility in Arak.

That means these sites existed well before the Axis of Evil term which was sain in January 2002 at the State of the Union address.

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So what's your definition of a rogue country? Was India and Pakistan rogue countries when they developed their nuclear arms? How about Israel? Hmm...

Pakistan and India should never have gotten Nuclear weapons. That was a failure on the worlds part. However they both had their weapons program since the 70's in which the times were very different. Israel has had them just as long. The first test by then (supposed test) was in 1979 during the Carter administration.

Right now it is 2006 and Iran does not need nuclear weapons. Their leader is unstable and has already called for Israel and the US to be wiped off the face of the Earth.

North Korea has went against an agreement with the US and secretely built their programs back up since 1994. With help from China they were able to stall any sancations against North Korea and allow them to do their first nuclear test.

Iran and North Korea have unstable leaders and do not need the power that Nuclear weapons give a country. Especially Iran who is in the heart of the Middle East.

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"Japan for firing the first shot" might be a valid enough reason for the first bomb, what about the second? No restraint whatsoever for the United States. =)

Those weapons were dropped three days apart. Japan had three days to surrender but chose not too. The second bomb was then dropped. America had a choice: Attack the country that attacked them via traditional means and invade Japan costing hundreds of thousands of lives and extending the war many many years or end it with two bombs.

They made the correct choice.

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