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aquapub
 
Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 09:16 am
Story is here. Well, I guess there can be no disputing what their motives are at this point.
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mimidamnit
 
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Reply Tue 4 Aug, 2009 09:15 am
@aquapub,
http://doingmypart.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/10-reasons-national-health-care-is-wrong-for-america/

here is what can be found at that link...


10 reasons National Health Care is wrong for America
25 01 2008

As a naive young American a few months back, I thought National Health Care would be a great addition the the US. It would provide everyone with health care and no one would be left untreated. It would create thousands of jobs. But in hearing Ron Paul preach about his anti-National Health Care views, I decided to do some research. And I have several reasons against a Universal Health Care.

1. It is not the right of the government to provide health care. And in national health care systems, all citizens eventually become required to receive check-ups, medicine, and treatment. This can just make it easier for the government to control us through pills and shots full of mind-control sedatives.

2. Quality of care will plummet. With everyone eventually getting treatment, no one will get full attention and people will get pushed to the side.

3. Waiting time will sky-rocket. It is reported that in Canada it takes twice as long to get surgery than it does in America. If someone walks in with a bullet in their leg, they may have to wait sveral hours for treatment. This long waiting period will cause unnecessary deaths.

4. Canada can only afford National Health Care because of a, “trade surplus,” with America. This makes it impossible for the US to have National Health Care at all.

5. National Health Care eliminates the right of doctor-patient confidentiality.

6. America could only truly afford a National Health Care system through increased taxation. ” “The only way the government can give one American one dollar is to confiscate it first, under intimidation, threats, and coercion, from another American. In other words, for government to do good, it must first do evil. If a private person were to do the things that government does, he would be condemned as a common thief. The only difference is legality, and legality alone is no talisman for moral people. This reasoning explains why socialism is evil. It uses bad means (coercion) to achieve what are seen as good ends (helping people).” This quote also portrays how even more corrupt our government will be with a universal plan.

7. Everyone in the US can already receives trematode through free-clinics, emergency card-care, and community hospitals.

8. National Health care would just add to the amount of money government agencies are wasting to put America in debt.

9. National Health care would destroy hundreds or thousands of jobs because they would eventually eliminate private practises.

10. These are not theories. They are not guesses. All of these reasons are taken from and can be seen in other countries. Universal Health Care does not work.


http://doingmypart.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/10-reasons-national-health-care-is-wrong-for-america/
Willie cv
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 03:56 am
@mimidamnit,
Nations who have national health care pay LESS than our tax dollars pay these for profit insurances and drug companies.

Wake up. The RICH don't want you to have the same health care at the same cost as the rest of the universal health care world. They lose profits over there.
Willie cv
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 03:56 am
@Willie cv,
BTW..we're talking WINDFALL profits....up 300% in a very short time under bush "privatizing" Medicare.
NotHereForLong
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 05:21 am
@Willie cv,
Aquapub's posts are always crap, and are always glaringly obvious in how crappy they are. I don't know much about this subject and i'm against government run health care for everyone, so the fact that i realize that Aquapub's arguments are complete bullshit is a testament to how bad they are.
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Numpty
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 07:30 pm
@mimidamnit,


What a complete and utter load of crap.

Nothing like a good scaremongering session to prey on the weak minded.

A National healthcare system is the absolute bare minimum a developed and civilised society should provide for it's citizens. Each Individual pays a small percentage of their wages to pay for it. Over hear it's called National Insurrance, this generally pays for your health care and pension in later life. because it is a percentage, everyone pays the same, relative to their income.

If your government spent say 15 -20 % of your Defence budget you could easily afford it. $515 Billion for 2009.

Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Happy to be corrected, as this is probably a very simplified way. but it does beg the question. Why so much on Defence?
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Mr Shaman
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2010 01:04 am
@mimidamnit,
mimidamnit;67469 wrote:
As a naive young American a few months back, I thought National Health Care would be a great addition the the US. It would provide everyone with health care and no one would be left untreated. It would create thousands of jobs. But in hearing Ron Paul preach about his anti-National Health Care views, I decided to do some research. And I have several reasons against a Universal Health Care.

[CENTER]Keep researching....ya' know, for a non-Paul....someone who knows....from personal-EXPERIENCE.

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YouTube - Q&A: T.R. Reid[/CENTER]
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bisurge
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2010 11:03 am
@aquapub,
How about the Republicans? The actual objectives of Iraq?
BBC NEWS | Business | Halliburton Iraq contract queried
Yes, let's give HALLIBURTON, of which Dick Cheney was once the leader of, a NO-BID CONTRACT to rebuild Iraq. Both sides have a lot of crap on them, but isn't the whole thing about money? The people support things morally because they don't make money off it, but obviously most politicians don't. I bet if a direct democracy were in effect, we'd all be supporting anything that benefits us most, also. Humans are naturally like that. Of course everyone wants to plug up holes of "actual objectives" because these "actual objectives" are usually related with money.
Mr Shaman
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2010 12:27 pm
@bisurge,
bisurge;69561 wrote:
How about the Republicans? The actual objectives of Iraq?
BBC NEWS | Business | Halliburton Iraq contract queried
Yes, let's give HALLIBURTON, of which Dick Cheney was once the leader of, a NO-BID CONTRACT to rebuild Iraq. Both sides have a lot of crap on them, but isn't the whole thing about money? The people support things morally because they don't make money off it, but obviously most politicians don't. I bet if a direct democracy were in effect, we'd all be supporting anything that benefits us most, also. Humans are naturally like that. Of course everyone wants to plug up holes of "actual objectives" because these "actual objectives" are usually related with money.

[CENTER]Hell....much like Daddy Bush running the Reagan Presiduncy.....[/CENTER]

Quote:
"Like most people in Washington, Clinton understood that Ronald Reagan was a figurehead and that it was really the Bush Cabal, which was running things for all of those 12 years."


[CENTER]......The DICK; Cheney was managing Lil' Dumbya's Presiduncy.

*****

Further Adventures Of The DICK

http://www.theworriedshrimp.com//cheneycard.jpg[/CENTER]
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Mr Shaman
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2010 11:47 pm
@bisurge,
bisurge;69561 wrote:
How about the Republicans?

[CENTER]It's lookin' like the "reigns" (on their version o' "free-market capitalism") are gettin' SNAPPED!!!!! :thumbup:[/CENTER]
Quote:
"With the price of gas at the pump at its highest point in well over a year, federal regulators moved Thursday to prevent excessive speculation by financial traders from driving the cost of oil even higher. The effort to adopt new limits on the trading of oil and other energy commodities is a sharp reversal after years when regulators left those markets alone.

The proposal from the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, which oversees oil and energy trading, would introduce new restrictions on what the large$t trader$ can do. Concerned that some firms can amass such large holdings in energy commodities that their trades can have an outsize effect on the price of gasoline, heating oil or natural gas, officials said they would prevent traders "from establishing extraordinarily large positions."


bisurge;69561 wrote:
I bet if a direct democracy were in effect, we'd all be supporting anything that benefits us most, also. Humans are naturally like that.

[CENTER]....Especially the Teabaggers.

YouTube - The Truth About the Teabaggers - PT. 1/2

(....Like any-other lynch-mob....)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntrrUzNiggQ&feature=fvw

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Nope. Gotta stick with a Representative Democracy, myself.[/CENTER]
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Daystarr
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 12:00 am
@aquapub,
I hear a lot of talk, but not a lot of suggestions about how to deal with the problems. Doesn't anyone remember anymore that we are the power, not the government. Those people in Washington are our 'Elected' represenatives, which means they work for us. If you don't like what they're doing, fire them. You have that power.

For more, check this out:
Our Elected 'Employees' - Windows Live
Mr Shaman
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 12:29 am
@Daystarr,
Daystarr;69594 wrote:
I hear a lot of talk, but not a lot of suggestions about how to deal with the problems. Doesn't anyone remember anymore that we are the power, not the government. Those people in Washington are our 'Elected' represenatives, which means they work for us. If you don't like what they're doing, fire them. You have that power.

[CENTER]That's what's going-on, presently....."firing" the other-guy's Representative.

Maybe we could use a (basic) litmus-test, before allowing anyone to vote.

You've gotta be literate, first.
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YouTube - Teabaggers Untie[/CENTER]
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