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Scam: The Liberal Misinformation Machine and it's War on America

 
 
aquapub
 
Reply Mon 2 Feb, 2009 11:02 pm
:eek:

Any conservatives here read this book yet?!?

It's freaking amazing. :headbang:
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Mon 2 Feb, 2009 11:10 pm
@aquapub,
Says the side that has their very own news channel.

Right.
aquapub
 
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Reply Mon 2 Feb, 2009 11:23 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;63725 wrote:
Says the side that has their very own news channel.

Right.


:bs2:

Every major study being released on the matter seems to disagree with you. In fact, they consistently conclude that it is Democrats who have virtually the entire news media shamelessly peddling partisan propaganda for them, while they excoriate Fox for including multiple sides of the story.

Example from the book:

"At the end of Election 2008, the non-partisan Pew Research Center released a study of negative media coverage per candidate. The results:

• CNN was closest to the liberal slant of the overall coverage: 57% negative against McCain, 29% negative against Obama.

• NBC: 54% negative against McCain, 21% negative against Obama

• MSNBC: 73% negative against McCain, 14% negative against Obama.

• Newspapers: 45% negative against McCain, 28% negative against Obama.

Fox News was balanced evenly at 40% negative coverage for both candidates."


I realize your spoon-fed media apologist talking points are at odds with this, but if you would try thinking for yourself for a change, you would realize that the only sources you have to back up this BS smokescreen are propaganda mills like ThinkProgress and Media Matters, while conservatives characteristically have actual facts and evidence from widely respected institutions.

Try again there, Sparky. :disgust:
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2009 12:21 am
@aquapub,
aquapub;63727 wrote:
:bs2:

Every major study being released on the matter seems to disagree with you. In fact, they consistently conclude that it is Democrats who have virtually the entire news media shamelessly peddling partisan propaganda for them, while they excoriate Fox for including multiple sides of the story.

Example from the book:

Fox News was balanced evenly at 40% negative coverage for both candidates."

I realize your spoon-fed media apologist talking points are at odds with this, but if you would try thinking for yourself for a change, you would realize that the only sources you have to back up this BS smokescreen are propaganda mills like ThinkProgress and Media Matters, while conservatives characteristically have actual facts and evidence from widely respected institutions.

Try again there, Sparky. :disgust:


So you're using the contents of the book to justify the contents of the book?

Circular argument, Sparky. :rollinglaugh: Try getting evidence elsewhere.

EDIT: This is from the research YOU quoted:

On the Fox News Channel, the coverage was both more negative toward Obama and more positive toward both McCain and Palin than we found in the press generally. That said, coverage of McCain was still more negative than positive on Fox News by a factor of roughly 2 to 1.

It would be good to actually look at the charts, data, etc... such as positive/neutral coverage. Helps to actually read the referenced data instead of blindly following a book.

Looks like you might have been "Scam"med.
aquapub
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2009 01:19 am
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;63728 wrote:
So you're using the contents of the book to justify the contents of the book?


Citing a Pew Research study that flatly contradicts your hype is using
opinions from the book to justify opinions from the book? Are you seriously this incapable of grasping the difference between an independently verifiable fact and an opinion?

Devastating comeback there, braniac. Way to think it through. :thumbup:

Here's the evidence cited in the book and by me:

Pew Research Center: The Color Of News: How Different Media Have Covered the General Election

Sabz5150;63728 wrote:
This is from the research YOU quoted:

On the Fox News Channel, the coverage was both more negative toward Obama and more positive toward both McCain and Palin than we found in the press generally.


I love debating with liberals. :rollinglaugh:

Let's examine your counterpoint here...I cite a study demonstrating that Fox is far more balanced than any other news outlet, and you respond...by showing quotes from that study stating that Fox's coverage was more negative THAN THE EXTREMELY BIASED MSM against Obama (hence, there was ANY negativity at all) and more positive THAN THE EXTREMELY BIASED MSM for McCain (hence, there was ANY positivity at all).

That's balance, genius, not imbalance. Laughing

Sabz5150;63728 wrote:
It would be good to actually look at the charts, data, etc... such as positive/neutral coverage.


Ditto.

:thx:

Congratulations on demonstrating why there can be no intelligent discussion on media objectivity in this country-liberals are involved. Thinking, adult human beings (conservatives) know how to separate themselves from mass-produced hype (hence Bill O'Reilly's viewers being more aware on the issues than most voters-according to another one of those studies you won't be able to comprehend), but the semi-literate sheep of the left are easily programmed and know only to lash out at the absence of liberal bias rather than thinking for themselves.
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2009 03:01 am
@aquapub,
aquapub;63729 wrote:
Citing a Pew Research study that flatly contradicts your hype is using
opinions from the book to justify opinions from the book? Are you seriously this incapable of grasping the difference between an independently verifiable fact and an opinion?

Devastating comeback there, braniac. Way to think it through. :thumbup:

Here's the evidence cited in the book and by me:

Pew Research Center: The Color Of News: How Different Media Have Covered the General Election


And what exactly is my hype? I simply said that's really funny coming from a side that has their very own news channel, and that you cited data-mined pieces of the book to back up the book. Don't think I said anything beyond that point, but WOW you were quick to defend!

Nice work on finding the study. I was reading it after you responded to me the first time. It's where I found that statement. Read it.

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I love debating with liberals. :rollinglaugh:

Let's examine your counterpoint here...I cite a study demonstrating that Fox is far more balanced than any other news outlet, and you respond...by showing quotes from that study stating that Fox's coverage was more negative THAN THE EXTREMELY BIASED MSM against Obama (hence, there was ANY negativity at all) and more positive THAN THE EXTREMELY BIASED MSM for McCain (hence, there was ANY positivity at all).


Your claim cites nothing but negativity. Shall I repost your quote? I think I shall!

Quote:


That snippet from your book leaves out quite a bit.

I pointed out a single statement: Fox news was more negative towards Obama and more positive towards McCain and Palin. Nothing more. The numbers back this up (as does the fact that this statement was made by the people conducting the report).

Then you decide to go on this "BIASED MSM" tangent, completely showing your slant for all to see. It's rather funny that you'd point out that a study is both independent and non-partisan, then right afterwards state that the research they conducted was Fox versus the "EXTREMELY BIASED MSM". That doesn't sound too independent or non-partisan.

That, or you're twisting the research to your liking.

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That's balance, genius, not imbalance. Laughing


"...both more negative toward Obama and more positive toward both McCain and Palin" is not balance. Sorry. Play again.

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Congratulations on demonstrating why there can be no intelligent discussion on media objectivity in this country-liberals are involved. Thinking, adult human beings (conservatives) know how to separate themselves from mass-produced hype (hence Bill O'Reilly's viewers being more aware on the issues than most voters-according to another one of those studies you won't be able to comprehend), but the semi-literate sheep of the left are easily programmed and know only to lash out at the absence of liberal bias rather than thinking for themselves.
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(emphasis mine)

Says the one preaching a book. Says the one who has to capitalize and italicize the words "extremely biased MSM".

In three posts, you've shown this entire board that you're a lockstep right-winger. Everything that isn't in your favor is EXTREMELY BIASED. You cite independent reports and then attempt to use them in a partisan manner.

But you keep lashing out as you have, and keep reading bias-based books instead of reading the reports for yourself.

However I do have one question to ask. If the "MSM" is so biased towards Obama, then why'd they play Jeremiah Wright for two weeks solid? Why did they report on false stories, such as the "Whitey" tape and the "Madrassa school"? I don't remember seeing them playing Pastor Hagee for fourteen days nonstop, nor do I recall them speaking about the USS Forrestal. How about Cindy stealing painkillers from her own charity? Not a peep.
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2009 03:24 am
@aquapub,
Let's read some of the findings, in their own words, shall we?

---

*MSNBC stood out for having less negative coverage of Obama than the press generally (14% of stories vs. 29% in the press overall) and for having more negative stories about McCain (73% of its coverage vs. 57% in the press overall).

-- It shows MSNBC with a left leaning slant. The report mentions that it is a near mirror of FOX. Anybody could have told you this.


* On Fox News, in contrast, coverage of Obama was more negative than the norm (40% of stories vs. 29% overall) and less positive (25% of stories vs. 36% generally). For McCain, the news channel was somewhat more positive (22% vs. 14% in the press overall) and substantially less negative (40% vs. 57% in the press overall). Yet even here, his negative stories outweighed positive ones by almost 2 to 1.

-- Here it states that FOX went for the right leaning slant. Again, duh. It also makes note that McCain still got a rather bad rap. However you're looking at the wrong target. Take a look at Palin. She received an amount of positive coverage vs negative that could only be defined as a harsh right slant, even if you don't look at the other networks.

* CNN fell distinctly in the middle of the three cable channels when it came to tone. In general, the tone of its coverage was closer than any other cable news channel to the press overall, though also somewhat more negative than the media overall.

-- CNN is in the middle? Well, it states that MSNBC is left, FOX is right, so that makes CNN... (c'mon, you can do it!)

* Even though it has correspondents appear on their cable shows and even anchor some programs on there, the broadcast channel showed no such ideological tilt.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2009 03:28 am
@aquapub,
aquapub;63727 wrote:
:bs2:

Every major study being released on the matter seems to disagree with you. In fact, they consistently conclude that it is Democrats who have virtually the entire news media shamelessly peddling partisan propaganda for them, while they excoriate Fox for including multiple sides of the story.

Example from the book:

Fox News was balanced evenly at 40% negative coverage for both candidates."

I realize your spoon-fed media apologist talking points are at odds with this, but if you would try thinking for yourself for a change, you would realize that the only sources you have to back up this BS smokescreen are propaganda mills like ThinkProgress and Media Matters, while conservatives characteristically have actual facts and evidence from widely respected institutions.

Try again there, Sparky. :disgust:


"while conservatives characterisically have actual facts and evidence from widely respected institutions"

Says who ? You and other consevative institutions ?

Brilliant stuff Very Happy
aquapub
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2009 04:54 am
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;63734 wrote:

* On Fox News, in contrast, coverage of Obama was more negative than the norm (40% of stories vs. 29% overall) and less positive (25% of stories vs. 36% generally). For McCain, the news channel was somewhat more positive (22% vs. 14% in the press overall) and substantially less negative (40% vs. 57% in the press overall). Yet even here, his negative stories outweighed positive ones by almost 2 to 1.


:rollinglaugh:

Hint: You've embarrassed yourself enough. This is when you should be looking to change the subject, not to continue dragging your laughable inability to grasp basic scientific evidence further into the spotlight.

Fox was more positive for McCain than the rest of the news media, which this study shows were wildly more negative against McCain and favorable for Obama. That would mean Fox was the most balancedbalance, not imbalance.

Sabz5150;63734 wrote:
Here it states that FOX went for the right leaning slant. Again, duh.


It says nothing of the sort. Try literacy.

Sabz5150;63734 wrote:
However you're looking at the wrong target.


How silly of me to compare coverage of the Democratic presidential candidate with the coverage of the Republican presidential candidate. Rolling Eyes

Sabz5150;63734 wrote:
Take a look at Palin. She received an amount of positive coverage vs negative that could only be defined as a harsh right slant, even if you don't look at the other networks.


Meanwhile, on planet Earth, those of us with functioning brains read the study's conclusions on Palin, such as that the "mainstream" media's "coverage of Palin, in the end, was more negative than positive," and interpret Fox not having that imbalance as a sign of Fox being balanced.

Try again.

Sabz5150;63734 wrote:
CNN fell distinctly in the middle of the three cable channels when it came to tone. In general, the tone of its coverage was closer than any other cable news channel to the press overall, though also somewhat more negative than the media overall.


Right, of the "mainstream" media sources that the study told us were extremely biased, CNN was in the middle. Being in the middle of the most biased sources is not balance.

Try again.

Sabz5150;63734 wrote:


And how did NBC's positive coverage of Obama shape up? Right, far more positive than that of Palin. NBC's coverage of the candidates in general was more positive. That in no way indicates an anomaly in the widespread left-wing slant.

This is the same news media that ran 2,210 stories in the first 10 days on Palin's daughter getting knocked up, after running 167 stories in 10 months on John Edwards knocking up his mistress while dragging his wife around the country for cancer-pity votes and preaching about family.

That's some pretty obscene partisan bias.

Sabz5150;63734 wrote:


And those other news outlets were extremely biased for Obama. You don't get credit for being slightly less of a partisan propaganda mill. Again, you persistently struggle to grasp this very basic concept.

Sabz5150;63734 wrote:
However what's missing is this: any statement that FOX is balanced. Also any statement that any other media outlet is balanced. However to our new conservative friend, FOX is balanced and all else is "EXTREMELY BIASED MSM".
Fox News was balanced evenly at 40% negative coverage for both candidates."

The results confirm what you are insisting isn't in the study. Learn how to read. :dunno:

Sabz5150;63734 wrote:
Looks like the only EXTREME BIAS is our friend's interpretation of the facts. But that's what reading filtered material will do. Perhaps he ought to think for himself, as he seems to recommend for others.


Pot, meet kettle.
aquapub
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2009 05:10 am
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;63735 wrote:
"while conservatives characterisically have actual facts and evidence from widely respected institutions"

Says who ? You and other consevative institutions ?


Says the evidence.

Conservatives generally operate on facts and evidence. Liberals operate on emotional hysteria and conspiracy theories. Every election they lose was stolen, every war they voted for is immediately a "quagmire" no different from Vietnam and a conspiracy for oil, and the destruction of the housing market is about "corporate greed" rather than Democrats forcing banks to operate like casinos by making them lower their lending standards while assuring them that their losses would be covered...all to give more racist handouts to blacks.

Liberals are always at odds with reality and with the facts. Always. It's simply who they are. It's why they become conservatives as they get more life experience. Now that I've pointed this out, you will see it more and more over time.

They usually don't read or fact-check anything they say, they completely ignore history (as evidenced by this violent shove they're giving us into involuntary Socialism) and they are composed of the least intelligent demographics imaginable-Hollywood dropouts (and almost every single one is a dropout), the poorest of the poor, union incompetents, public school teachers, criminals, ultra-wealthy elitist sophisticates with zero connection to the real world (George Soros, Arriana Huffington, etc.), and so on.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2009 07:52 am
@aquapub,
aquapub;63738 wrote:
Says the evidence.

Conservatives generally operate on facts and evidence. Liberals operate on emotional hysteria and conspiracy theories. Every election they lose was stolen, every war they voted for is immediately a "quagmire" no different from Vietnam and a conspiracy for oil, and the destruction of the housing market is about "corporate greed" rather than Democrats forcing banks to operate like casinos by making them lower their lending standards while assuring them that their losses would be covered...all to give more racist handouts to blacks.

Liberals are always at odds with reality and with the facts. Always. It's simply who they are. It's why they become conservatives as they get more life experience. Now that I've pointed this out, you will see it more and more over time.

They usually don't read or fact-check anything they say, they completely ignore history (as evidenced by this violent shove they're giving us into involuntary Socialism) and they are composed of the least intelligent demographics imaginable-Hollywood dropouts (and almost every single one is a dropout), the poorest of the poor, union incompetents, public school teachers, criminals, ultra-wealthy elitist sophisticates with zero connection to the real world (George Soros, Arriana Huffington, etc.), and so on.


Dry your eyes,you lost the election :thumbup:

As for your rant,that is just YOUR opinion,having a dig at liberals and their lack of intelligence is priceless,we have just seen the end of George Bush's reign as the dumbest President In History :rollinglaugh:
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2009 09:46 pm
@aquapub,
aquapub;63737 wrote:
:rollinglaugh:

Hint: You've embarrassed yourself enough. This is when you should be looking to change the subject, not to continue dragging your laughable inability to grasp basic scientific evidence further into the spotlight.


All you have done is quote your book, which happens to cherry pick the data quite nicely to fit your argument. I haven't seen you use a SINGLE piece of data outside of it, not even from the same research study.

Why?

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Fox was more positive for McCain than the rest of the news media, which this study shows were wildly more negative against McCain and favorable for Obama. That would mean Fox was the most balanced, hence the results originally posted:


So in your mind, the default is FOX, which has no bias whatsoever. In your mind, that is.

The results you initially posted? Again, completely cherry picked. Why don't you quote from your book any other data regarding this study?

So far, the only thing you will consider for your argument is...


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"• CNN was closest to the liberal slant of the overall coverage: 57% negative against McCain, 29% negative against Obama.

• NBC: 54% negative against McCain, 21% negative against Obama

• MSNBC: 73% negative against McCain, 14% negative against Obama.

• Newspapers: 45% negative against McCain, 28% negative against Obama.

• Fox News was balanced evenly at 40% negative coverage for both candidates"


This. Of course your findings are immediately biased when you throw in the "liberal slant" comment. I don't think the words "liberal slant" were used anywhere in the original study. This is the result of bias.

This is similar to how the fundies think that the default is "God exists", and that everything else is inherently wrong, or meant to attack their views.

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40% negative on McCain and 40% negative on Obama. That's balance, not imbalance.


Negative, negative, negative, negative. Why is it that you only focus on this one snippet?

It's called cherry picking. You're doing it rather well... as far as cherry picking goes. What's even funnier is that these numbers are picked solely from the graphs, without actually reading the data. You've relied only on the pictures, seeing that those "word" things are just too hard for you.

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It says nothing of the sort. Try literacy.


Again, try reading the article instead of referring to your book all the time.

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How silly of me to compare coverage of the Democratic presidential candidate with the coverage of the Republican presidential candidate. Rolling Eyes


Yes, how silly. Tell me, how well received was McCain? I've been listening to ol Rush for quite a bit now and I can tell you that if he's the so-called leader of the GOP, that they didn't like him. It was never about McCain.

Palin, however (did you look at that data?) is a different story. Oh, who am I kidding... that data shows clear bias on FOX. You wouldn't quote that.

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Meanwhile, on planet Earth, those of us with functioning brains read the study's conclusions on Palin, such as that the "mainstream" media's "coverage of Palin, in the end, was more negative than positive," and interpret Fox not having that imbalance as a sign of Fox being balanced.


So why are you preaching this book, if you have a functional brain. Why are you exclusively using that single snippet of data? Again, this is your flawed logic that if the numbers on FOX are different from the numbers EVERYWHERE ELSE, that everywhere else must be biased and FOX is balanced.

We call this bias. Or blindly following a right-wing book.

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Right, of the "mainstream" media sources that the study told us were extremely biased, CNN was in the middle. Being in the middle of the most biased sources is not balance.

Try again.


But being on one of the extremes is? The report also called FOX a "mirror image" (I quote the research) of MSNBC. Now, use that sheep brain of yours... what does mirror image mean? It means opposite. Now what is the opposite of a liberal slant? That's right, a conservative slant.

Again, your brain is wired to think that your views are centric, and everything else is slanted. This is typical conservative programming. Easy to see, easy to pick out.

"With us or against us" I think is how the argument goes.

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And how did NBC's positive coverage of Obama shape up? Right, far more positive than that of Palin. NBC's coverage of the candidates in general was more positive. That in no way indicates an anomaly in the widespread left-wing slant.

This is the same news media that ran 2,210 stories in the first 10 days on Palin's daughter getting knocked up, after running 167 stories in 10 months on John Edwards knocking up his mistress while dragging his wife around the country for cancer-pity votes and preaching about family.

That's some pretty obscene partisan bias.


When you preach abstinence and try to force this view on others, it's rather telling when it fails in your own household.

That isn't bias... that's the cold, hard, truth.

If we want to talk about mistresses... can we talk about how McCain ran around on his deformed-in-an-accident wife with Cindy? Of course not... the evil liberal biased MSM didn't report on that much at all!

Well there was a snippet on FOX. Didn't they use the POW argument to defend him? (I can post video of this if you like).

That damn liberal media... oh... wait...

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And those other news outlets were extremely biased for Obama. You don't get credit for being slightly less of a partisan propaganda mill. Again, you persistently struggle to grasp this very basic concept.


It's not that I have trouble here, it's that you see your views as centric, and others as a ZOMG SLANT. In your brain, there is no such thing as a right-wing slant. This is quite telling of *you*, and goes quite a way to revealing your lockstepping.

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Sincerely, you have my condolences on your literacy issues, but I'm going to post this one more time:


Here we go again... break out the book, and...

Quote:

"• CNN was closest to the liberal slant of the overall coverage: 57% negative against McCain, 29% negative against Obama.

• NBC: 54% negative against McCain, 21% negative against Obama

• MSNBC: 73% negative against McCain, 14% negative against Obama.

• Newspapers: 45% negative against McCain, 28% negative against Obama.

Fox News was balanced evenly at 40% negative coverage for both candidates."

The results confirm what you are insisting isn't in the study. Learn how to read. :dunno:


Why don't you use any other data besides that? Oh that's right... it isn't fitted for your argument... it isn't in your book.

Why can't you think outside this book? Would that require critical thinking, some actual use of grey matter? I thought you could think for yourself... why can't you cite from data and sources outside of this book?

Because your book is the only thing backing you up. You haven't read any of the actual research, you haven't brought forth any data EXCEPT that which fits your argument exactly. Not even other data from the same research you are trumpeting.

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Pot, meet kettle.


I want you to show me anywhere, in this discussion or ANYWHERE else on this site, where I have used biased sources. I've challenged several others, who bring the same claim as you, to do this. Nobody has met it. Why? Because you're making this argument with zero evidence (not exactly scientific of you), because that's how you've been taught to debate.

However, here you are banging a book screaming about "liberal bias" and claiming FOX is balanced... and refusing to use ANY OTHER DATA, even if that data is from the same research study your book cites. You *can't* use any other data... your brain won't allow it. Anything that doesn't fit your views is automatically biased.

Projection.

If you can't show where I use biased sources (this includes citing said bias), then you can kindly shut up.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 5 Feb, 2009 07:24 am
@aquapub,
aquapub;63727 wrote:

while they excoriate Fox for including multiple sides of the story.



:rollinglaugh:
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Thu 5 Feb, 2009 09:56 pm
@aquapub,
Even if we were to take the numbers cited in this book at face value, one misses a key piece of the puzzle: Read the "Methodology" section of the research... you know, that part in the back that tells HOW the results were achieved.

This process resulted in 857 total stories from 43 different media outlets. These included 72 newspaper stories, 78 stories from news websites, 213 stories from network TV, 448 from cable TV, and 46 from radio programs.

...based on the aggregated data collected as part of the News Coverage Index from September 8 through October 16, 2008.

So our conservative friend is basing his entire stonewall argument around a fraction of a fraction of a percentage of total data. We're not even talking 20% of news reports, nor are we talking about 10% of the total time that reports concerning the candidates were aired.

But in the context of this book, it sounds rather convincing. As I said, another conservative Scammed.

http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/1-14-05/you-lose.jpg
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 05:33 am
@aquapub,
aquapub;63738 wrote:
Says the evidence.

Conservatives generally operate on facts and evidence. Liberals operate on emotional hysteria and conspiracy theories. Every election they lose was stolen, every war they voted for is immediately a "quagmire" no different from Vietnam and a conspiracy for oil, and the destruction of the housing market is about "corporate greed" rather than Democrats forcing banks to operate like casinos by making them lower their lending standards while assuring them that their losses would be covered...all to give more racist handouts to blacks.

Liberals are always at odds with reality and with the facts. Always. It's simply who they are. It's why they become conservatives as they get more life experience. Now that I've pointed this out, you will see it more and more over time.

They usually don't read or fact-check anything they say, they completely ignore history (as evidenced by this violent shove they're giving us into involuntary Socialism) and they are composed of the least intelligent demographics imaginable-Hollywood dropouts (and almost every single one is a dropout), the poorest of the poor, union incompetents, public school teachers, criminals, ultra-wealthy elitist sophisticates with zero connection to the real world (George Soros, Arriana Huffington, etc.), and so on.


Have any objective "facts" or "Evidence" to support anything you've said here? This is just your partisan slander.

Even though I don't consider myself a true "liberal" I usually end up defending the liberals because of conservative bitterness and spite. I don't agree with all of the things democrats do, yet it is the slander and the "US vs THEM" mentality of republicans that has been driving people away.
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g-man
 
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Reply Sat 7 Feb, 2009 05:17 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;63739 wrote:
Dry your eyes,you lost the election :thumbup:

As for your rant,that is just YOUR opinion,having a dig at liberals and their lack of intelligence is priceless,we have just seen the end of George Bush's reign as the dumbest President In History :rollinglaugh:


President Bush is far from dumb. Trully trumped by President Carter.
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