General T. Franks-Martial Law

I'd like to see a source, but I do agree with you. I anticipate such an event in October.

Martial!

Right- Martial
The source. A magazine for cigar smokers, I think. I heard about this on CNN.

This is the most reputable example of the quote that I could find.Terrorismdigest.org

I would like to see it confirmed by a mainstream news source.
The source listed above got it from Newsmax, who got it from Cigar afficianado. Needless to say, I have my doubts about the quote. I do not however doubt that this administration has plans to manufacture an "event" if they think they will lose the upcoming election. I tend to joke that we all live in "Weimar America."

Not so amusing.


This nation is an Oligarch and careeing into a Fascist State. I believe that Al Q. is winning.

People with there sweat,perserverance and backbone built this nation. Some it appears have lost those essential characteristics and can only whine.

HEY !!! Whats wrong with Fascism? At least everyone has a job and the trains run on time! (jk.)

Seriously though folks, if a major 'event' does occur here in the U.S.A., they will have to declare 'martial law'.

I mean if someone sets a nuke off in Chicago, the only way we will have to keep order and catch the 'bad guys' would be to institute martial law until the crisis has been handled.

The trick of any Democracy is getting the military to relinquish control back to the civilian authorities once the crisis is over. This has always been the greatest fear of any democratically elected government.

You MUST have the military to protect the freedoms of the Republic, but the greatest threat to the Republic is it's very defenders.

Thats why those of us who served in the U.S. military took an oath to defend the Constitution and we take it very seriously.

I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and bear true faith and allegiance to the same.

I had the honor to be one of those guardians for a time and I can tell you that the soldiers of the U.S. military would never support a 'State' of the type y'all seem to fear so much.

So please have a bit of faith in the patriotic young men and women who have the courage to put on their countries uniform and stand between you and the people who would destroy you.

Fedral

Thanks for your speech Fedral and I as one who proudly wore the uniform for 20 years can confirm every word that Fedral has been loyal enough to put forward in this very hostile forum.

Now no doubt there are some of you who will redouble your efforts to gather a lynch mob to run both of us off the forum------just try it.

Two links -- one as referenced above; one from the Village Voice -- are posted in this thread.

perception
I am afraid that patriotism and love of country have become foreign concepts to some people. How many times have we seen on this forum individuals threatening to leave the nation. I will repeat don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

AU

They are too cowardly to go live in China or Cuba for a couple of years to really check the progress of two living experiments on communism-----one is Maoist and the other is Leninist.

Actually the one in China is "morphing" in favor of Capitalism because I have long contended the Chinese are the Jews of the Orient and as such love all the things that money can buy. Notice I said capitalism not democracy. Communist capitalism is a new animal and is one which could swamp our boat economically.

The elitist leaders of China are not about to release the reigns of power so don't be confused that they are changing ideologically----it is just that they will relax the rules just enough to encourage individual incentive
There is always hope that if they relax a tad too much the people will seize power but that is really an illusion unless the people can grab control of China's massive military and that has about the same likelyhood as a snow ball surviving in Hell.

perception


I am in no mood nor is this the the post on which to start a battle on Anti Semitism. . However, I take exception to that blatently anti semitic remark.

AU

It wasn't meant to be anti-semitic-----Hell---I love things that money can buy. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Jews have always been the merchants of the world and therefore I see some of those same qualities in the Chinese. Is that being anti-semitic?

Thoughtless remarks about Jews left aside, i take exception to the tone which smacks of "love it or leave it." I wore the uniform, and that does not make me automatically think that any administration policy should be supported because of allegations of a war on terror (long on rhetoric, feeble in action--the Taliban are not gone, and Afghanistan is just as lawless and chaotic as it ever has been in the last few thousand years).

Funny, the first Republican President, Lincoln, faced a national crisis of theretofore unprecedented scope, and did not find it necessary to institute martial law. The suspension of habeus corpus was instigated by "radicals" (Republican abolitionists) in Congress, and had little effect on people's daily lives, since Lincoln saw no reason to use that suspension as a tool of the adminisration.

A nuke in Chicago, while desireable to most down-staters in Illinois, would not be grounds for martial law--it might be grounds for a temporary suspension of habeus corpus. For as much as i despise the Shrub and Co., i'm not yet convinced that they are venal enough to manufacture a crisis to avoid electoral defeat--although they have surprised me in the past.

Since you have just broken your promise that you would never respond to another of my post's I feel obligated to respond to yet another of your famous sneering historical banalities.

I could care less what you think it "smacks" of but since you think Lincoln's war was so great (yeah the one that killed 600,000 American's) which side would you have fought on or would you have run to Canada?

That would be cool!

Then we could hunt down all the Liberals and kill them and eat thier children

Setanta
No one said love it or leave it. I just get fed up with people on a2k bragging about how much they hate the US and threatening to leave. My only response is there are no chains binding you here and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. To date as far as I can determine the only part of their anatomy that has gone is their mouths.

Thank you Au, for responding to my post. I understand you position, although i find it harsh. For those of limited reading comprehension, i would point out that my post responded to AU's earlier comment about not letting the door hit you in the ass. My comment about Jews was to direct the dicussion away from an unecessary, off-topic unpleasantness.

Here's another source for the Gen. Franks comment:

Gen. Franks Doubts Constitution Will Survive WMD Attack
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/20/185048.shtml

If the terrorists hate us for our freedom, then why would we give up our freedom so easily if there were another terrorist attack? Wouldn't that be the same as surrendering to the terrorists the very thing that we love so much?

For an American General to say such a thing to the public is worrisome. Its like he is setting us up. Preparing us if you will for something. It seems he is saying it is inevitable that another terrorists attack will happen and that martial law will be the first response.

But how will it look to the rest of the world, if we who are the beacon of freedom and democracy to the world, give up our freedom not in a battle hard fought, but out of fear from the first blow?