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Sun 2 Sep, 2007 06:11 am
Disclosure: I am a conservative who believes that our nation’s greatest president in the last 50 years was Ronald Reagan. That out of the way, I am ready to start analyzing the race for the presidency in 2008. I’m interested in others’ opinions, as I am always open to changing my mind, especially at this early juncture.
DEMOCRATIC RACE
With two exceptions, the democratic race seems to be filled with Bill Clinton/John Kerry clones, all of whom are far enough behind the front runners to be discounted, at least for now. So, the two front runners:
Barak Obama
Obama seems to be a popular man, with charisma to spare. However, he is young, and really has limited national exposure. Though his campaign has been strong, he has had one or two very minor stumbles. I’m not sure he’s running to try to win this time, as much as he is getting himself needed “face time” in front of the nation, in order to set himself up for the 2012 or 2016 elections. By that time, he will be better known, his positions will be more solidified. Frankly, by then he should be able to win the Democratic nomination in either of those two elections on the campaign slogan “I’m NOT a Clintonista.”
Hillary Clinton
Certainly, Clinton has the national exposure and face recognition factors in her favor. She has, of late, tried to position herself as a “moderate” Democrat, though it seems doubtful that most people are buying this. The electorate is frankly afraid of her seemingly socialist past, as even most Democrats don’t want to swing the nation “too far” towards socialism. In her tenure as both First Lady and as the junior Senator from New York, a lot of smoke surrounded her past business and personal lives, which many voters find disturbing.
REPUBLICAN RACE
There are again several candidates, but I currently see three front runners. Barring any major meltdowns, one of these three probably has the nomination:
Mitt Romney
Another charismatic candidate, Romney carries a lot of positives. He is clearly a religious man, which might play well with the Bible Belt, but being a Mormon could be as damaging as it is helpful. Recently, he has been dogged by accusations of being unclear on his positions (i.e. abortion), and flip flopping to appease the religious right. The fact that his political experience has been limited to being a state politician might also hurt him. Whether you think Bush has been a successful president or not, the left has been highly successful in painting his presidency as a dismal failure. Like Bush, Romney's highest previous office was state governor. Therefore, Romney’s lack of political experience on a national level could be used a weapon against him. These three factors together might be enough to cost Romney the nomination.
Rudi Guilani
Guilani is riding mostly on his success as the mayor of New York City. There can be no question that during his tenure, violent crime in New York fell markedly. He was also the mayor when the 9/11 attacks occurred, and believes he can point to his success there as a mark of how he will perform as president. However, this may be as harmful as helpful. Bush senior learned the hard way that one can only ride success for so long. Guilani has not done much since leaving the mayor’s office, and has no experience at the national level, points that won’t be missed by his current opponents, nor by the Democrats.
Fred Thompson
Thompson will announce his candidacy this week, but even before he stated his intents, he was firmly in the pack of front runners. As a former senator from Tennessee, he has experience at the national level, and as a sometimes actor, has the national face recognition all other candidates save Clinton lack. So far, his position on the issues has remained steadfast, and he seems to be avoiding any appearance of pandering to any special interest groups. However, the fact that he has been out of office for a while and the fact that he has lymphoma (in remission) might hurt him.
NOMINATIONS
On the Democratic side, while Obama will make a strong run, I think it likely that Clinton will get the nod. After her victory becomes assured, Clinton may approach Obama to be her running mate, though if he’s smart, he will decline. The Clinton machine has, for all intents and purposes, run the Democratic Party since 1992. I predict that the 2008 election will bring this crashing down. In 2012 and later, any provable association with the Clintons will be enough to kill a candidate’s chance for election. Hillary Clinton has a past that the Republicans will easily be able to claim is more than shady. In fact, they may be hoping for a Clinton nomination. I believe it’s highly likely that they “have the dirt” on Hillary, and are simply waiting for her to get the nomination. After that, proof of past misdeeds are likely to come pouring out, killing her chances of a future political life. Also, polling data shows that in nearly every demographic group, there is widespread mistrust and dislike of Hillary Clinton. Even among liberal women voters, the majority has said they would vote for anyone other than Clinton. Clinton dismisses these polls, and believes that a groundswell of largely ignored women voters, particularly housewives, will sweep her into office. (Interestingly, a poll of this demographic shows she is likely to do worst among those she’s counting on to take her to victory.) In the end though, unless there is a meltdown along the way, Hillary Clinton will likely get the nod from the Democratic Party in 2008.
On the Republican side, Fred Thompson seems to be riding a wave of popularity. If he has timed his entry into the race correctly, he’s counting on that wave to take him to the nomination. He appears to be a candidate from the mold of Ronald Reagan. As yet, nothing of any great import has surfaced to hurt his candidacy. He has not been closely associated with the Bush presidency (again, whether or not you believe Bush had done well, such associations will be enough to seriously damage any candidate.) He has both the national experience and recognition that other candidates lack. Again, barring a meltdown along the way, Fred Thompson is likely to win on the Republican ticket.
AND THE WINNER IS....
So, in the 2008 election, here’s how I see it shaking out: Hillary will make a strong run, but in the end, her past as well as the perceptions the electorate have of her will kill her. Whitewater, Travelgate, and other scandals will dog her candidacy. If my suspicions are correct, and the Republicans have proof of any past misdeeds, these will come out and might even kill her career as a senator. In that event, Clinton would have been better off never running for the presidency. She could have at least had some influence on national policy as a senator from New York. As a disgraced politician, she will be shunned even by those she now considers to be her closest friends and advisors.
So, barring major revelations or upheaval, I see Fred Thompson being sworn in as President in January 2009.
@kmchugh,
The Hildabeast will win the presidency. Obama will be her VP. The Beast will not survive her first term. Obama will be US President, by proxy.
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;34217 wrote:The Hildabeast will win the presidency. Obama will be her VP. The Beast will not survive her first term. Obama will be US President, by proxy.
You could be correct, as far as Hillarity winning the election. All it would take for my predictions to be wrong would be minor occurances that could shift the political landscape. Let's face facts, for most of the US, the political landscape is about as stable as beach sand.
If she is elected, I further think you are correct in that she won't survive beyond her first term (I know what you meant, but I don't think that will happen.) I think in her first term, her true colors will shine through, and she will display herself to be the dyed in the wool socialist she really is. While we vary on how much we think we should support one another, there are very few true socialists in this nation. So, if not impeached, she would be ousted at the end of her first term.
But, again, consider her past: She was hip deep in the Whitewater scandal, a fact that she tried to hide. She was the driving force behind Travelgate. In that, she wanted to fire some White House employees in order to be able to hire her own cronies. To try to do it, she cooked up false charges against the employees she wanted fired. And frankly, I think this election is going to reveal Hillarity's true sexual orientation.
Given all that, I think she has a great chance at winning the nomination, and then being utterly destroyed by the Republican Party. That's why I see the Clinton political machine, already a bit creaky and squeaky, melting down as a result of this campaign. After 2008, I think any past association with that machine will spell political death.
@kmchugh,
Hallucinations....Fred Thompson is about as appealing as week old oatmeal. Romney is moving to leader of the pack...the cameras and the lighting are more flattering to him.
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;34217 wrote:The Hildabeast will win the presidency. Obama will be her VP. The Beast will not survive her first term. Obama will be US President, by proxy.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.....especially, when one is starting with a deficit.
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;34217 wrote:The Hildabeast will win the presidency. Obama will be her VP. The Beast will not survive her first term. Obama will be US President, by proxy.
you admitting defeat lol :thumbup:
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;34255 wrote:Hallucinations....Fred Thompson is about as appealing as week old oatmeal. Romney is moving to leader of the pack...the cameras and the lighting are more flattering to him.
All the republican candidates have the personallity of a colitis fart.
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;34255 wrote:Hallucinations....Fred Thompson is about as appealing as week old oatmeal. Romney is moving to leader of the pack...the cameras and the lighting are more flattering to him.
Aaron, you used the wrong version of 'week'. You also should have used a hyphen with the word 'old'. Also, your punctuation is still wrong. Report to FUA, immediately, for a scolding.
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;34257 wrote:you admitting defeat lol :thumbup:
I've always said she'll win. Pay attention.
@FedUpAmerican,
FedUpAmerican;34264 wrote:All the republican candidates have the personallity of a colitis fart.
You should have capitalized 'republican'. Report to Aaron for false praise.
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;34256 wrote:A mind is a terrible thing to waste.....especially, when one is starting with a deficit.
In your case, a brain is a terrible, terrible
thang. Aaron, you have
dain bramage, bad, Dog.
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;34255 wrote:Hallucinations....Fred Thompson is about as appealing as week old oatmeal. Romney is moving to leader of the pack...the cameras and the lighting are more flattering to him.
You may be right. But the polling data so far puts him ahead of just about everybody else. Of course, polling data changes from day to day.
One point that seems consistant from the polls, however, is that the Democrats seem to be rushing headlong towards nomination of a candidate who has no chance of winning.
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;34217 wrote:The Hildabeast will win the presidency. Obama will be her VP. The Beast will not survive her first term. Obama will be US President, by proxy.
I concur and it's frightening.
Time to dump some American holdings in the market, if she gets elected the market is going to go down fast and hard. :eek:
@Red cv,
Red;34369 wrote:I concur and it's frightening.
Time to dump some American holdings in the market, if she gets elected the market is going to go down fast and hard. :eek:
She'll be
gone within two years. Something very bad will happen.
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;34217 wrote:The Hildabeast will win the presidency. Obama will be her VP. The Beast will not survive her first term. Obama will be US President, by proxy.
not gona happen the southern rednecks will never vote for a black pres or vp
@kmchugh,
The dems... well... to be perfectly candid, and not trying to win any popularity contest or gauge my response by some poll, Obama doesn't have a chance in hell. Not only is America not ready for a black President, but they're not in the mood to see someone in the White House with a name like "Obama." It sounds too much like "Osama." What people say in polite conversation, or in a poll trying to be politically correct, is NOT going to be what they do when they step into the privacy of the voting booth. And hitlery... she is the most polarizing person in America, and no matter how many times the dems have been told she can NOT win the Presidency, they just keep propping her up. That's cool though, a dem ticket with hitlery for prez and osama for v.p. is an absolute dead nuts loser for the dems, and that's the best they got... :headbang:
The repubs... well, the conservatives tried to teach them a lesson in the last midterms. They better wake up as well.
Romney, he's flip flopped all over trying to be a conservative. Problem is, he isn't. He's a big government slickster that's nothing more than more of the same old same old. Just call him mister status quo. His popularity is directly proportionate to the amount of money he has, and he has a pretty good chunk. Take away his money and he's nothing. He'll fade though, money or not, just as soon as the mud starts flying.
Giuliani, he's a liberal period. He can't and won't hide it. He's pro abortion, anti gun, and he ran one of the biggest sanctuary cities in America. That guy doesn't stand a chance. "True" conservatives see him for what he is, and they will NOT vote for him.
Fred Thompson, I just don't even understand what all the hype is over this guy... his hot wife that could pass for his daughter? No. His major accomplishments in congress? No. His acting? Probably, and that's sad. If Americans are so worked up over this nothing of a man because he was on TV, it's a sad commentary for America. No... I think his popularity will wain also.
The true conservatives, and who I think will gain considerable footing when the TV ads start running, are Tancredo, Huckabee, and believe it or not, Ron Paul.
McCain, he doesn't even deserve mention. He's a closet liberal.
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;34379 wrote:She'll be gone within two years. Something very bad will happen.
what do you think pino ? some right-wing loony with a gun might take a pop !
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