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Liberalism is an Addiction

 
 
Numpty
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 05:42 am
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;60454 wrote:
We do not believe. We accept.


Correct, I accept that people with far more knowledge and experience than I are able to conduct experiments which demonstrate through the results the facts.

No Creationist has ever been able to do that.
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 06:02 am
@Numpty,
Numpty;60460 wrote:
Correct, I accept that people with far more knowledge and experience than I are able to conduct experiments which demonstrate through the results the facts.

No Creationist has ever been able to do that.


I accept because I can physically see the evidence, I can physically see and read the results. I accept because if I so choose, I can perform these experiments and check this evidence for myself. In fact, that's what is EXPECTED... it's the foundation of peer review. The scientific method depends entirely upon people doing these tests themselves, checking and re-checking constantly in a constant attempt to stamp out error and subjectivity.

To attempt to equate religious belief with scientific knowledge through the twisting of definitions is disingenuous and outright dishonest. It is nothing more than an attempt at a "GOTCHA!" so that the creationists can feel that their religious dogma is on a level playing field with scientific research.
Numpty
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 06:05 am
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;60462 wrote:
I accept because I can physically see the evidence, I can physically see and read the results. I accept because if I so choose, I can perform these experiments and check this evidence for myself. In fact, that's what is EXPECTED... it's the foundation of peer review. The scientific method depends entirely upon people doing these tests themselves, checking and re-checking constantly in a constant attempt to stamp out error and subjectivity.

To attempt to equate religious belief with scientific knowledge through the twisting of definitions is disingenuous and outright dishonest. It is nothing more than an attempt at a "GOTCHA!" so that the creationists can feel that their religious dogma is on a level playing field with scientific research.


Whole heartedly agree and far more eloquently put than i could muster. :thumbup:
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 09:16 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;60464 wrote:
Whole heartedly agree and far more eloquently put than i could muster. :thumbup:


No problem. Sometimes a fly needs to be dispatched with a sledgehammer.
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 03:31 am
@Drnaline,
"Liberalism is a mental disorder"
- Michael Savage
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 07:49 am
@socalgolfguy,
Does anybody think it's okay to demonize the other side?
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 09:53 am
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;60454 wrote:
We do not believe. We accept.


LOL How many time's to you have to say that to you self?
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 09:56 am
@Numpty,
Numpty;60460 wrote:
Correct, I accept that people with far more knowledge and experience than I are able to conduct experiments which demonstrate through the results the facts.

No Creationist has ever been able to do that.
Your practicing faith, WOW! Your one of the sheeple every body talks about.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 09:59 am
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;60462 wrote:
I accept because I can physically see the evidence, I can physically see and read the results. I accept because if I so choose, I can perform these experiments and check this evidence for myself. In fact, that's what is EXPECTED... it's the foundation of peer review. The scientific method depends entirely upon people doing these tests themselves, checking and re-checking constantly in a constant attempt to stamp out error and subjectivity.

To attempt to equate religious belief with scientific knowledge through the twisting of definitions is disingenuous and outright dishonest. It is nothing more than an attempt at a "GOTCHA!" so that the creationists can feel that their religious dogma is on a level playing field with scientific research.
All boils down to faith, and your practice it well. Because untill you yourself do as you say, you are taking someone else's opinion of an observation as fact.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 10:00 am
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;60638 wrote:
No problem. Sometimes a fly needs to be dispatched with a sledgehammer.
You've got the address!
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 10:01 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;60682 wrote:
Does anybody think it's okay to demonize the other side?
You do.
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 10:26 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;60682 wrote:
Does anybody think it's okay to demonize the other side?


If you are referring to me, I was quoting one of the leading conservative talk show personalities on the airwaves.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 10:31 am
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;60709 wrote:
If you are referring to me, I was quoting one of the leading conservative talk show personalities on the airwaves.


No it was a general question to everybody. One of my main criticisms of republicans is that they constantly insult democrats, such as with the "addiction" or "mental disorder" comments that you so often hear. It is one thing to slam the other party for some policy or issue, but when you insult them for simply being democrats I don't find that the least bit civil or honorable.
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2008 02:25 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;60711 wrote:
No it was a general question to everybody. One of my main criticisms of republicans is that they constantly insult democrats, such as with the "addiction" or "mental disorder" comments that you so often hear. It is one thing to slam the other party for some policy or issue, but when you insult them for simply being democrats I don't find that the least bit civil or honorable.


There is plenty of cross body blocking going on on both sides of the aisle. At least make that admission. The fact is that the politicians have demanded, like the George Bush doctrine, that you are either for or against us. There is no room for discussion. If you are "big government is good and they will take care of you" liberal, you are a dem. If you lean to more traditional and conservative values, go to worship and own a gun, you are a repub and if you do not follow the party line, you are shunned. It's become an everything-or-nothing mentality with no room for compromise. That is why labor unions run the country.
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2008 10:49 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;60700 wrote:
All boils down to faith, and your practice it well.


Faith in what, exactly? I have facts to back up my claims. How about you?

Here's a neat test for you. Do you have a brain? Are you sure? Ever actually seen it and held it? Then how do you know you have a brain? Faith Smile

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Because untill you yourself do as you say, you are taking someone else's opinion of an observation as fact.


I have, slick. I have researched the findings in great detail. You, however, have not. There's a botanist about say... fifteen feet away from me. They know a thing or two about biological evolution. So yeah, you're bucking at a household full of scientific knowledge.

See, Sanchez, there you go using words you don't understand. Opinion... fact... observation... objective... evidence. You know it wouldn't hurt to break out a dictionary once in a while. Also actually understanding the scientific method is a big helper, too.

Because until you do this, your claims are nothing but unsubstantiated hot air. Faith as you call it.
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2008 10:51 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;60701 wrote:
You've got the address!


Fifteen subscriptions to "Out" magazine and ten to "Rustler"? Coming up!
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Bevo
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 12:29 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;60682 wrote:
Does anybody think it's okay to demonize the other side?



I think the question is"productive".

But then that is relative to motive.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 01:58 am
@Bevo,
Bevo;60769 wrote:
I think the question is"productive".

But then that is relative to motive.


not motive, no. I question the means they use to accomplish that motive.
Bevo
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 02:28 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;60771 wrote:
not motive, no. I question the means they use to accomplish that motive.



And that is correct. If the motive is simply to promote your party. Demonizing the other side is productive in that, it will accomplish party dominance.Witch is what it seems one that would do such a thing justifies there means to an end.

For myself I see that as not productive. It is divisive. Driving a wedge in the middle of the citizenry.

Yet in my life to this point I see that this type of conduct seems inevitable. None the less should be confronted. Question I always ask myself is in what way?
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 02:30 am
@Bevo,
Bevo;60778 wrote:
And that is correct. If the motive is simply to promote your party. Demonizing the other side is productive in that, it will accomplish party dominance.Witch is what it seems one that would do such a thing justifies there means to an end.

For myself I see that as not productive. It is divisive. Driving a wedge in the middle of the citizenry.

Yet in my life to this point I see that this type of conduct seems inevitable. None the less should be confronted. Question I always ask myself is in what way?


by criticizing "gutter politics", of course i am in no position to make such a criticism be heard.
 

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