Biden?s Ties to Pro-Iran Groups Questioned

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Sen. Barack Obama and his newly-picked running mate, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, may have sparred during the primaries. But on one issue they are firmly united: the need to forge closer ties to the government of Iran.

Kaveh Mohseni, a spokesman for the Student Movement Coordination Committee for Democracy in Iran, calls Biden ?a great friend of the mullahs.?

He notes that Biden?s election campaigns ?have been financed by Islamic charities of the Iranian regime based in California and by the Silicon Iran network,? a loosely-knit group of wealthy Iranian-American businessmen and women seeking to end the U.S. trade embargo on Iran.

?In exchange, the senator does his best to aid the mullahs,? Mohseni argues.

Biden?s ties to pro-Tehran lobbying groups are no secret. But so far, the elite media has avoided even mentioning the subject.

Just recently, Biden was one of 16 U.S. senators who voted against a bill that would add Iran?s Revolutionary Guards corps to the State Department?s list of international terrorist organizations, because of its involvement in murdering U.S. troops in Iraq.

Rather than sanction those in power in Tehran, Biden and Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel have argued that the United States should offer Tehran a greater role in Iraq?s domestic affairs.

At a March 2002 conference in Washington, D.C., sponsored by the American-Iranian Council (AIC), Biden made the case for closer U.S. ties to the government of Iran. ?I believe than an improved relationship with Iran is in the naked self-interest of the United States of America," Biden said.

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@Drnaline,

Any real evidence of this outside of your usual bias blogs?

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@Drnaline,

Again, address the subject not the messenger.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;60178 wrote:

Again, address the subject not the messenger.

Again, I am. Pure heresay. Right wing blogs don't hold water. Never have, never will.

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@Drnaline,

I care not what you believe. I post what i like, when i like, regardless of your opinion.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;60182 wrote:

I care not what you believe. I post what i like, when i like, regardless of your opinion.

That doesn't make something fact.

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@Drnaline,

Where did i say it did?

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;60194 wrote:

Where did i say it did?

So you admit that what you posted may not be factual?

You should be able to see the brick wall you're running towards by now :rollinglaugh:

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@Drnaline,

No, I admit to posting a story i read.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;60202 wrote:

No, I admit to posting a story i read.

So you don't look for fact in what you read, instead taking it at face value?

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@Drnaline,

Your assuming that there is supposed to be fact in there. We can both present articles that are very good examples. This is a website that deals in alot of politics, that should say enough. Most of what we believe is n face value, there is not enough time to, nor am i will to invest to research every thing. This for me is for fun, that would make it to much like work.

Time to head to work, catch you on the flipflop, we gone by by.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;60210 wrote:

Your assuming that there is supposed to be fact in there. We can both present articles that are very good examples. This is a website that deals in alot of politics, that should say enough. Most of what we believe is n face value, there is not enough time to, nor am i will to invest to research every thing. This for me is for fun, that would make it to much like work.

Time to head to work, catch you on the flipflop, we gone by by.

I tend to look for pure fact as much as possible. "Show me the money" as they say. Heresay and speculation is what causes people to think Bam is a Muslim. Heresay and speculation is what causes people to think Palin wants women to pay for their own rape kits.

See what I mean?

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@Sabz5150,

What exactly do you mean by pro-Iran? Is this simply people who are pro-notbombingcountrieswithoil groups? And is there a reason we should be anti-Iran? And do people realize Iran is the enemy of the nation we previously invaded?

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@Sabz5150,

Sabz5150;60212 wrote:

I tend to look for pure fact as much as possible. "Show me the money" as they say. Heresay and speculation is what causes people to think Bam is a Muslim. Heresay and speculation is what causes people to think Palin wants women to pay for their own rape kits.

See what I mean?

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Heresay and speculation is what causes people to think Bam is a Muslim.

Not is, Was. He converted. I believe he himself says so.

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Heresay and speculation is what causes people to think Palin wants women to pay for their own rape kits.

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See what I mean?

Not yet.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;60291 wrote:

Not is, Was. He converted. I believe he himself says so.

mind showing where he said that?

HINT: he didn't!

This is from both his website and MSNBC.

"Barack Obama has never been Muslim and never practiced Islam. But rumors about his religion intended to frighten some voters persist, and they mostly return to one point of fact: his name. "Barack" is the candidate's Kenyan father's name; Obama's middle name, "Hussein," is his grandfather's name. Hussein embraced Islam?after first converting to Christianity under the name "Johnson." According to Obama's memoir, Hussein valued discipline and strength and found Christian forgiveness to be sentimental. Obama has described his father as atheist or agnostic. His Kansan mom, whose grandparents were devout Protestants, lived a secular life. Obama's only personal contact with Islam came as a boy when he moved to Jakarta, Indonesia, with a stepfather who mixed his Islam with Hindu and Animist traditions. In five years there, Obama attended a Roman Catholic school, then a public elementary school, where he sat through a class each week of religious studies. As an adult, Obama turned to Christianity in the late '80s in Chicago, at Trinity United Church of Christ, where he was baptized, married?and baptized his kids. As a new U.S. senator, Obama took his oath on the family Bible."

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@Drnaline,

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This is from both his website and MSNBC.

So that must make it true!!

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;60331 wrote:

So that must make it true!!

It means he never said it, especially if it's on his own website. If you say this is wrong it is your prerogative to give an example where he said something contrary to this, which you still have not done!

Checkmate!

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@Fatal Freedoms,

Fatal_Freedoms;60344 wrote:

It means he never said it, especially if it's on his own website. If you say this is wrong it is your prerogative to give an example where he said something contrary to this, which you still have not done!

Checkmate!

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It means he never said it,

In your belief. You know every word he's ever said! Impressive.

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If you say this is wrong it is your prerogative to give an example where he said something contrary to this, which you still have not done!

My prerogative it to not.
To claim Checkmate, first we must play a game?

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;60361 wrote:

In your belief. You know every word he's ever said! Impressive.My prerogative it to not.
To claim Checkmate, first we must play a game?

Shall we go through this together drnaline?

STEP 1:
-Drnaline makes the claim that obama said he converted from Islam
(thus putting the burden of proof on himself)

STEP 2:
-Fatal_Freedoms(myself) rejects this claim and provides evidence to the contrary (thus increasing the burden of proof on drnaline)

STEP 3:
-Drnaline rejects the evidence by asserting that he was lying (thus making another unproven claim and accepting more burden of proof)

FINAL VERDICT:
-what do you think?

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Fatal_Freedoms:
0 claims
1 piece of evidence

Drnaline:
2 claims
0 pieces of evidence

CHECKMATE!

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@Drnaline,

Lets play again.

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