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Vast army of 'Hillary haters' has claws out

 
 
Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 08:01 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-hillary_haters_bdaug26,1,4382207.story?coll=chi_tab01_layout&ctrack=1&cset=true

DALLAS - Richard Collins, a wealthy Texas philanthropist, businessman and political aficionado, heaps praise on the woman he has set out to destroy, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.).

"She looks like a winner," said Collins, sitting in his high-rise office with sweeping views of the city. "She's run a good campaign, very consistent, no mistakes."

But make no mistake about it: Collins is just one in a vast army of professional "Hillary haters" who are banking on Clinton becoming the Democratic nominee. Like the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in the 2004 election who denigrated John Kerry's military service in Vietnam, Collins and others are searching for just the thing that will crystallize the way voters think and feel about her.
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 11:36 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;32968 wrote:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-hillary_haters_bdaug26,1,4382207.story?coll=chi_tab01_layout&ctrack=1&cset=true

DALLAS - Richard Collins, a wealthy Texas philanthropist, businessman and political aficionado, heaps praise on the woman he has set out to destroy, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.).

"She looks like a winner," said Collins, sitting in his high-rise office with sweeping views of the city. "She's run a good campaign, very consistent, no mistakes."

But make no mistake about it: Collins is just one in a vast army of professional "Hillary haters" who are banking on Clinton becoming the Democratic nominee. Like the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in the 2004 election who denigrated John Kerry's military service in Vietnam, Collins and others are searching for just the thing that will crystallize the way voters think and feel about her.


Mr. Collins, if you're reading this, count me in.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 04:51 am
@Drnaline,
Clinton-hating is an art and science. It's also a calling. I loathe no one more, except OBL. I'm looking forward to watching her self-destruct.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 08:57 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;32993 wrote:
Clinton-hating is an art and science. It's also a calling. I loathe no one more, except OBL. I'm looking forward to watching her self-destruct.


im looking forward to her taking the white house :thumbup:
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 11:24 am
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;33026 wrote:
im looking forward to her taking the white house :thumbup:


We're fortunate in the good old US of A that you live elsewhere.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 11:43 am
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;33063 wrote:
We're fortunate in the good old US of A that you live elsewhere.


at least if she takes over at the white house,you will have a president with a brain :thumbup:
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 12:43 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;33073 wrote:
at least if she takes over at the white house,you will have a president with a brain :thumbup:


Hooray! Guaranteed cradle to grave protection fully funded by the saps that actually work for a living!

Horray! Every undocumented and wayward man or woman will get free health care and college education if they want funded by the saps that actually work for a living!

Hooray! Have all the illegitimate kids you want without ever having to fear going to work or learning anything useful all fully funded by - well, you know.

Just vote for Hillary....

You are fortunate you do not live here. You can sit back with your mates at the pub and have a good laugh.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 05:34 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;33083 wrote:
Hooray! Guaranteed cradle to grave protection fully funded by the saps that actually work for a living!

Horray! Every undocumented and wayward man or woman will get free health care and college education if they want funded by the saps that actually work for a living!

Hooray! Have all the illegitimate kids you want without ever having to fear going to work or learning anything useful all fully funded by - well, you know.

Just vote for Hillary....

You are fortunate you do not live here. You can sit back with your mates at the pub and have a good laugh.


Better that than to have our liberties done away with, while we're quagmired in some war, of our own making, that is breaking the military, and increasing our debt, exponentially...all the while pretending that we have homeland security and our infrastructure is protected or being built up, as the president and his cronies outsource our jobs for profit and gain, and give no bid contracts to buddies like Halliburton, and create a legacy of infamy by appointing arch-conservatives to the Supreme Court....boy, oh boy....give me Hill or Bill any damn day of the week.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 05:59 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;33159 wrote:
Better that than to have our liberties done away with, while we're quagmired in some war, of our own making, that is breaking the military, and increasing our debt, exponentially...all the while pretending that we have homeland security and our infrastructure is protected or being built up, as the president and his cronies outsource our jobs for profit and gain, and give no bid contracts to buddies like Halliburton, and create a legacy of infamy by appointing arch-conservatives to the Supreme Court....boy, oh boy....give me Hill or Bill any damn day of the week.


This war is not breaking our military. It's breaking the Democrats.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 06:00 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;33073 wrote:
at least if she takes over at the white house,you will have a president with a brain :thumbup:


Her brain is average, at best. The real brain behind the power will be her fake husband's.
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 06:23 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;33159 wrote:
Better that than to have our liberties done away with, while we're quagmired in some war, of our own making, that is breaking the military, and increasing our debt, exponentially...all the while pretending that we have homeland security and our infrastructure is protected or being built up, as the president and his cronies outsource our jobs for profit and gain, and give no bid contracts to buddies like Halliburton, and create a legacy of infamy by appointing arch-conservatives to the Supreme Court....boy, oh boy....give me Hill or Bill any damn day of the week.


short answer - yes.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 07:34 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;33163 wrote:
This war is not breaking our military. It's breaking the Democrats.


Hollow Force
Has Iraq stretched the U.S. military to its breaking point?
By Phillip Carter
Posted Friday, April 23, 2004, at 5:41 PM ET
Why the Army can't keep its tanks rolling Why the Army can't keep its tanks rolling

With a festering insurgency claiming the lives of more than 120 soldiers just this month, the Pentagon is set to request up to 30,000 more troops for the occupation. Senior Army leaders also said this week they will ask Congress for more money to make ends meet in Iraq and rebuild their drained force. Asking for these things is one thing; getting them is another; deploying them still another. Even if the order were cut right now, fresh divisions of troops would take months to get to overseas, meaning today's stretched force will have to put down the Iraqi revolt, restore security, and conduct the June 30 power handover without reinforcements. The U.S. military remains the most lethal fighting force ever fielded, but one year in Iraq has chewed it up, creating global shortages of manpower, equipment, and spare parts that are not easily relieved.

To a civilian, it may not make sense that a war involving 130,000 troops could strain the 1.4 million-strong U.S. military to its breaking point. Military officers often say that "amateurs study tactics?professionals study logistics." The reason for this axiom is that even the simplest military task?like moving a unit from point A to point B?requires a Herculean logistical effort. Planes have to be scheduled; trains have to be contracted and loaded; ships must be diverted and filled with military equipment. Just consider what it takes to move a single tank company from Fort Stewart to Fallujah. Soldiers have to spend days inspecting and packing their vehicles before loading them onto trains that will take them to the port at Savannah, Ga. The trains will be met by more soldiers at dockside, who will work with longshoremen and contractors to put the tanks on a ship. Then the ship has to sail across to Kuwait, where it will be met by more troops and contractors. Only then can they roll north to Iraq. Moving one tank company costs a fortune and requires hundreds of people. Now imagine you want to move an entire unit like the 3rd Infantry Division, with hundreds of tanks and thousands of other vehicles. The size and complexity of the task is staggering. It may cost as much as $1 billion to send a division to Iraq. And it can't be done quickly. Major bases in the United States have a finite "throughput" capacity, meaning that they can only squeeze so many pieces of equipment out the door on any given day.

Ordinarily, the military would short-circuit this logistical nightmare by flying troops overseas to meet up with equipment and weapons it has stashed around the world in "pre-positioned" stocks ("pre-po" for short). However, senior Army officials told the House Armed Services Committee last month that the pre-po stocks were tapped for the Iraq war. Nearly all the equipment in Southwest Asia and on the island of Diego Garcia has been issued, as well as pre-po equipment stashed in Europe?a total of 10,000 tanks, personnel carriers, trucks, and other vehicles. Only the Army's equipment stock in Korea and the Marines' stock in Guam remain untouched. There are no pre-po stocks near Iraq for the 3rd Infantry Division (or any other unit) to borrow from. All the equipment will have to be brought from the United States, vastly increasing the cost and difficulty of the operation.

Uh, there! When you have never outgrown the "war games " you played as a child, I can understand how you'd have the point of view you have...you like shooting guns and the thought of killing people (yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus, and Iraqis are people).
It's just that the Democrats want to stop people (and I use the word loosely) like you, and put them on a funny farm somewhere, where they can neither injure themselves or anyone else.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 07:43 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;33164 wrote:
Her brain is average, at best. The real brain behind the power will be her fake husband's.


What? You, once again, don't know what you're talking about.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 07:43 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;33176 wrote:
short answer - yes.


yes, what? thanks for being so clear.
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scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 11:32 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;33164 wrote:
Her brain is average, at best. The real brain behind the power will be her fake husband's.


if her brain is average at best,what does it say about bush lol
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 01:35 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;33339 wrote:
if her brain is average at best,what does it say about bush lol


Just watch any of his press conferences...any one...it's painful, to think that this is the leader of the Western World. I turn off the tv, rather than to listen to 20 seconds worth...he makes me sick, literally.
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